More a Ron issue than Geo. He totally checks out for chunks of game when he should be moving.
GAME 18 Minnesota: Not being able to match your opponent
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It’s always been a problem with Pikell we call timeout and never run anything out of then especially the end of this game that was not an inbounds play!!
My observations from game:
- Was a great game though we lost. Game reminded me of Minnesota game and Purdue game 2 years ago - both at end of year.
- Team came out flat at beginning of game as I expected unfortunately and that I feel was a huge impediment towards the loss
- Terrific games by Geo; Paul and Dean. Paul is a maestro with ball in paint. The improved contributions by Dean game after game is impressive. Geo was the Geo of old
- Did not like inbound play at end of game. Wasn’t much room for Harp to drive though did not expect offensive foul call to occur
- Cliff was not good today. Don’t know whether it was the impact of the cramps from Iowa game but contribution on both sides of ball was minimal
- Still can’t believe we lost as Minnesota bench played 6 minutes in total.
- Willis and Leutke were unconscious with their shooting. We should haven toughened up against them and gotten physical to take them out of their rhythm
- Was a great game though we lost. Game reminded me of Minnesota game and Purdue game 2 years ago - both at end of year.
- Team came out flat at beginning of game as I expected unfortunately and that I feel was a huge impediment towards the loss
- Terrific games by Geo; Paul and Dean. Paul is a maestro with ball in paint. The improved contributions by Dean game after game is impressive. Geo was the Geo of old
- Did not like inbound play at end of game. Wasn’t much room for Harp to drive though did not expect offensive foul call to occur
- Cliff was not good today. Don’t know whether it was the impact of the cramps from Iowa game but contribution on both sides of ball was minimal
- Still can’t believe we lost as Minnesota bench played 6 minutes in total.
- Willis and Leutke were unconscious with their shooting. We should haven toughened up against them and gotten physical to take them out of their rhythm
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Harper taking a small number of shots in the first half is a bad pattern that must change.He and Baker came back because of unfinished business. It isn't going to happen unless they are the shot takers from the opening tip off.The fact they are the only difference makers on offense is a major reason the team has a woeful road record.
Especially since Ron and Geo can both dissappear for stretches. Makes it that much more imperative to get them involved early. Once they do the role players feed off that and get good looks
This game reminded me of Fordham on the road where they had a small guard who went wild with 3 pointers resulting in a embarrassing loss for Rutgers.
Since you consider yourself the logical individual poster and sage on this message board, with sarcastic short quips; please answer this question. Why is it that we ..."are just not good enough"...?
Good recap once again Bac. We needed that little extra effort to win this game.
In the games we lose, we always seem to just miss getting a rebound, especially on foul shots and we don't move the ball around at a fast enough pace on offense in the games that we lose.
Almost at times we look like we are playing in quicksand in some of these games that we lost. But, with that said, we still had a real good chance to win a game that we should have won, BUT Minnesota was the overall better team today.
Best of Luck,
Groz
Minnesota is better than Rutgers. The results speak for themselves. They beat us despite having a number of people shelved.
The strange comments about Ron needing to take more shots early in the game is fine....
But at some point, RHJ and Geo are carrying 2 starters on their collective backs....Baker taking 14 3s is a beautiful sight for me....it means he is able to find minutes off the ball.
Pike has to find a way to squeeze more points out of Mulcahy and Caleb.....Mulcahy specifically should be near the top of the list of players holding this roster back. His defense on Luke Loewe, was not good....he does not need to help off the 2nd most likely shooter.
Loewe scores 17 points, to compliment Willis and his 32.....if Mulcahy was more disciplined and focused, he's not helping or leaving Loewe.
If there are games where you get 7 out of 14 from 3 with Baker and you lose the game, then who else is going to score??
If we are not going to remove Caleb and his defense and Cliff is being Cliff, there's only one other player left on the court.....Mulcahy has to get to 12 to 13 shot attempts a game....even if he is 4-12 or 5 of 13 shooting, the balance of what RU looks like is different.
Mulcahy.....7.1 PPG......his guy he is guarding almost always outscores him....scored 7 points today......
Get to 12 to 13 shots and his numbers will jump up to 12 to 14PPG....he is really the hole on the offensive roster.
Fans will say he had 8 assists, which is great and contributed to Geo getting 14 3s and RHJ getting his 12 to 15 shots.
But there are too many instances where he hesitates....he stops and figures out a passing lane or when he flings up a reverse layup, with his back to the basket and makes a perfect layup....
So much ability to create, too few PPG.....I don't see RU winning any more road games unless he shows up like the 2nd half of Maryland.....
But at some point, RHJ and Geo are carrying 2 starters on their collective backs....Baker taking 14 3s is a beautiful sight for me....it means he is able to find minutes off the ball.
Pike has to find a way to squeeze more points out of Mulcahy and Caleb.....Mulcahy specifically should be near the top of the list of players holding this roster back. His defense on Luke Loewe, was not good....he does not need to help off the 2nd most likely shooter.
Loewe scores 17 points, to compliment Willis and his 32.....if Mulcahy was more disciplined and focused, he's not helping or leaving Loewe.
If there are games where you get 7 out of 14 from 3 with Baker and you lose the game, then who else is going to score??
If we are not going to remove Caleb and his defense and Cliff is being Cliff, there's only one other player left on the court.....Mulcahy has to get to 12 to 13 shot attempts a game....even if he is 4-12 or 5 of 13 shooting, the balance of what RU looks like is different.
Mulcahy.....7.1 PPG......his guy he is guarding almost always outscores him....scored 7 points today......
Get to 12 to 13 shots and his numbers will jump up to 12 to 14PPG....he is really the hole on the offensive roster.
Fans will say he had 8 assists, which is great and contributed to Geo getting 14 3s and RHJ getting his 12 to 15 shots.
But there are too many instances where he hesitates....he stops and figures out a passing lane or when he flings up a reverse layup, with his back to the basket and makes a perfect layup....
So much ability to create, too few PPG.....I don't see RU winning any more road games unless he shows up like the 2nd half of Maryland.....
PM clearly lost Loewe on the last critical three while seemingly looking to help as another player with the ball came toward him. The question is whether he is coached to do that or is it a lack of discipline as you suggest. Loewe had made enough shots up to that point not be left open.
Odd take. Of all the players to be criticizing, you choose the guy who leads the league in assists? He was responsible for about 30 points yesterday, between his own points and the points scored off of his assists.
His defense has also been MUCH better this year.
Sometimes people just make up their mind about a player and then fit the narrative to that belief.
Paul is not the problem. We have two alpha scorers in Ron and Geo, plus a big who is the third leading scorer. Paul is there to facilitate the offense, and he’s been like a magician lately in doing so.
I still think it’s strange that your top recruit from last season is stapled to the bench for every game when the starters can come out of the gate with their heads up their asses and are allowed to continuously sleep walk and turn the ball over.
Paul being blamed as Harper didnt score until the 6:30 mark of first half..he had only taken one shot before that
Your star player took only one shot in the first 13 minutes
Something wrong here
Your star player took only one shot in the first 13 minutes
Something wrong here
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This is on point. But Hawk you’re the clubhouse leader of “but he had 8 assists” lol. You’ve been harping on assists all year!
Agree completely on this one (caveat that Geo doesn’t really carry the team. Good scoring game vs Minny though).
Illinois 13-32 (-19, 5:56 left) 5-19, 1-5, 2 ast, 4stl, 6 TOs vs 13-25, 5-15
*RHJ 0-3, 0-1 FT 2-2, 1 TO
*Cliff 1-2, 1 TO
*Paul 1-4, 0-1 1ast, 1stl, 2PFs
*Caleb 2-4, 1-2, 1ast, 1stl, 2 TOs
*Jaden 1-4, 2stl
Jalen 0-1
Hyatt 0-1, 0-1, 2 TO
PSU 8-21(-13, 8:16) 4-17, 0-2 2 ast, 1 stl, 3 TOs vs 9-19, 3-7
First subs- 4-10(-6, 12:18), 4 pts 8 minutes, PSU FG 5-13, 0-3
*Geo 0-4, 0-2, 1stl
*RHJ 0-4
*Caleb 1-4, 1 TO
*Cliff 1-3, 2 TO
*Paul 0-0, 2 ast
Dean 1-1
Aundre 0-1, 0-1
Jalen 1-1
Maryland 4-13(-9, 15:15) 2-5, 0-2, 5 TOs vs FG 5-10, 2-4, FT 1-1
*Paul 2-2, 3 TOs
*RHJ 0-1, 0-1, 1 TO
*Geo 0-1, 0-1,
*Cliff 0-1, 1 TO
*Caleb 0-0
Minnesota 5-17(-12, 13:41) 2-6, 1-4, 2 ast, 4 TOs vs FG 7-10, 3-5
*Cliff 1-1, 2 TO
*Caleb 0-1, 0-1, 1ast, 1 TO
*RHJ 0-0, 1 TO
*Geo 1-3, 1-3
*Paul 0-1, 1 ast
The last 3 road B1G games, Geo/Paul/Caleb/RHJ/Cliff have been outscored 13-40 in 7:42, 4:45, 6:19, combined 18:46 at the start of games. Rutgers 0.69 pts per min vs .opponent 2.13 pts a min. They aren't playing defense or offense. Geo 1-8, 1-6, RHJ 0-5, 0-1, 2 TOs, Paul 2-3, 3 ast, 3TOs, Caleb 1-5, 0-1, 1 ast, 2 TOs, Cliff 3-6, 5 TOs. Paul and Cliff seems to be the only one charged up out of the gate, good or bad, everyone else complacency but tries to defend.
vs Iowa was 6-5, first tv timeout, 15:46, (13:22 10-10) (8:23 12-10)
vs Nebraska was 6-11(-5) first 4 minutes, 15:51, (13:38 8-11)
vs Michigan 19-8(+11), 13:18, our last strong start both sides, Jan 4th.
If you extend out these poor starts to the last 5 games since Michigan, 25-56(-31) for 27 minutes. Pikiell has to send a message to the starters vs Maryland, there are 6-7 guys that would love the opportunity to start again, or start for the first time, time to shake it up.
*RHJ 0-3, 0-1 FT 2-2, 1 TO
*Cliff 1-2, 1 TO
*Paul 1-4, 0-1 1ast, 1stl, 2PFs
*Caleb 2-4, 1-2, 1ast, 1stl, 2 TOs
*Jaden 1-4, 2stl
Jalen 0-1
Hyatt 0-1, 0-1, 2 TO
PSU 8-21(-13, 8:16) 4-17, 0-2 2 ast, 1 stl, 3 TOs vs 9-19, 3-7
First subs- 4-10(-6, 12:18), 4 pts 8 minutes, PSU FG 5-13, 0-3
*Geo 0-4, 0-2, 1stl
*RHJ 0-4
*Caleb 1-4, 1 TO
*Cliff 1-3, 2 TO
*Paul 0-0, 2 ast
Dean 1-1
Aundre 0-1, 0-1
Jalen 1-1
Maryland 4-13(-9, 15:15) 2-5, 0-2, 5 TOs vs FG 5-10, 2-4, FT 1-1
*Paul 2-2, 3 TOs
*RHJ 0-1, 0-1, 1 TO
*Geo 0-1, 0-1,
*Cliff 0-1, 1 TO
*Caleb 0-0
Minnesota 5-17(-12, 13:41) 2-6, 1-4, 2 ast, 4 TOs vs FG 7-10, 3-5
*Cliff 1-1, 2 TO
*Caleb 0-1, 0-1, 1ast, 1 TO
*RHJ 0-0, 1 TO
*Geo 1-3, 1-3
*Paul 0-1, 1 ast
The last 3 road B1G games, Geo/Paul/Caleb/RHJ/Cliff have been outscored 13-40 in 7:42, 4:45, 6:19, combined 18:46 at the start of games. Rutgers 0.69 pts per min vs .opponent 2.13 pts a min. They aren't playing defense or offense. Geo 1-8, 1-6, RHJ 0-5, 0-1, 2 TOs, Paul 2-3, 3 ast, 3TOs, Caleb 1-5, 0-1, 1 ast, 2 TOs, Cliff 3-6, 5 TOs. Paul and Cliff seems to be the only one charged up out of the gate, good or bad, everyone else complacency but tries to defend.
vs Iowa was 6-5, first tv timeout, 15:46, (13:22 10-10) (8:23 12-10)
vs Nebraska was 6-11(-5) first 4 minutes, 15:51, (13:38 8-11)
vs Michigan 19-8(+11), 13:18, our last strong start both sides, Jan 4th.
If you extend out these poor starts to the last 5 games since Michigan, 25-56(-31) for 27 minutes. Pikiell has to send a message to the starters vs Maryland, there are 6-7 guys that would love the opportunity to start again, or start for the first time, time to shake it up.
Comical how you come over here to the basketball board to spew constant negativity toward coaches and players, yet on the football board you go after posters for the crime of questioning whether a 28-point nationally televised blowout bowl loss in front of a sparse crowd was an epic recruiting boost. Here's an idea: if you hate the men's basketball program so much, you can go back to the football board and stay there. Us true Rutgers basketball fans will enjoy many more NCAA Tournament appearances while you're busy planning parties for garbage bowls in The Bronx and Detroit.
Nice try. My family has had season tickets for basketball since I was eight years old and since the day THE RAC opened. I’m a HUGE hoops fan. Keep trying, you 40 time loser, no one is biting.
Oh and nowhere did I use the term “epic,” or even insinuate as much, regarding the effect that going to the gator bowl this year may have had on recruiting. Again, you keep trying, and you keep failing. Miserably.
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I wasn't talking about your family, who I'm sure are wonderful people and great basketball fans. Do they know that you routinely come on this board to trash the men's basketball coaches and players?
Not sure what this means, but you calling a fellow Rutgers fan a "loser" on a message board kind of proves my point, doesn't it?
You specifically attacked me for gently questioning that flawed narrative, yes. It's very interesting that you will try to shout down anyone who criticizes the results produced by Coach Schiano, who has a losing record since returning to Rutgers, but are so quick to criticize Coach Pikiell, who just took this program to the NCAA Tournament AND won a game there. I, for one, praise both coaches for what they've accomplished here. Too bad you don't do the same. The truly loyal Rutgers fans who know you must be shaking their heads.
1) I do NOT "routinely come on this board" and "trash men's basketball players and coaches." That is a full-blown lie. I actually praise, as much as I CRITICIZE, the same way I do for every sport.
2) You're on approximately your 40th different moniker. Stop attempting to pretend otherwise. The members of these boards aren't naïve let alone ignorant to your ways. Anyone who has gone through the nonsense of making up that many monikers, solely to follow around another poster and make "angry" or "laughing" faces at his posts, and repeatedly - purposely - argue with ANY comments he makes (factual or opinion), just to start problems and attempt to make that person look bad, is a "loser." Yes (and I would call myself the same, if I did as such, so relax....).
3) I have probably criticized football coaches every bit as much, if not more, than those of any sport at Rutgers. You're so off base it's scary. You should've seen my post about our OC on TOS which got bashed for about 5-pages in October. I wasn't kissing his ass at the time, that's for damn sure, lol!
The "truly loyal Rutgers fans" who know me, from these boards, school or personal life, know DAMN WELL how insanely loyal I am to Rutgers Athletics as well as Rutgers University as whole. What an unbelievably IGNORANT comment made on your behalf. My Lord SMDH.
Keep trying lol!
p.s. - where were you when I got banned from this site, for nearly a year, because I was out-in-front and telling the truth about Kyle Flood (both on and off the field)??? So, please, enough with your bullshit about how I don't say negative things regarding football. It's old, it's tiresome, and it's just flat-out false.
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Gettysburg is actually better than Georgia (at football) and is the true national champion:
| III | Gettysburg | beat | Juniata | 48-42 |
| III | Juniata | beat | Moravian | 24-17 |
| III | Moravian | beat | Dickinson | 21-14 |
| III | Dickinson | beat | Ursinus | 27-20 |
| III | Ursinus | beat | Muhlenberg | 42-35 |
| III | Muhlenberg | beat | Framingham St | 45-0 |
| III | Framingham St | beat | MA Dartmouth | 45-21 |
| III | MA Dartmouth | beat | Alfred St | 42-16 |
| III | Alfred St | beat | Defiance | 35-28 |
| III | Defiance | beat | Mt St Joseph | 14-13 |
| III | Mt St Joseph | beat | Hanover | 23-6 |
| III | Hanover | beat | Adrian | 21-14 |
| III | Adrian | beat | Greenville | 41-28 |
| III | Greenville | beat | Millikin | 37-33 |
| III | Millikin | beat | Augustana IL | 27-21 |
| III | Augustana IL | is better than | WI River Falls | because Augustana IL beat Elmhurst 48-7 and WI River Falls only beat Elmhurst 45-7 |
| III | WI River Falls | beat | WI Oshkosh | 28-21 |
| III | WI Oshkosh | beat | N Michigan | 28-10 |
| II | N Michigan | beat | McKendree | 27-20 |
| II | McKendree | beat | SW Baptist | 45-42 |
| II | SW Baptist | beat | Truman St | 27-21 |
| II | Truman St | beat | Tiffin | 38-35 |
| II | Tiffin | beat | Marian IN | 34-10 |
| NAIA | Marian IN | beat | Concordia MI | 25-7 |
| NAIA | Concordia MI | beat | IN Wesleyan | 28-21 |
| NAIA | IN Wesleyan | beat | Valparaiso | 28-10 |
| I - FCS | Valparaiso | beat | Dayton | 45-28 |
| I - FCS | Dayton | beat | E Illinois | 17-10 |
| I - FCS | E Illinois | beat | Tennessee Tech | 28-14 |
| I - FCS | Tennessee Tech | beat | SE Missouri St | 28-17 |
| I - FCS | SE Missouri St | beat | TN Martin | 31-14 |
| I - FCS | TN Martin | beat | Jacksonville St | 34-31 |
| I - FCS | Jacksonville St | beat | Florida St | 20-17 |
| I - FBS | Florida St | beat | Boston College | 26-23 |
| I - FBS | Boston College | beat | Temple | 28-3 |
| I - FBS | Temple | beat | Memphis | 34-31 |
| I - FBS | Memphis | beat | Mississippi St | 31-29 |
| I - FBS | Mississippi St | beat | Texas A&M | 26-22 |
| I - FBS | Texas A&M | beat | Alabama | 41-38 |
| I - FBS | Alabama | beat | Georgia | 41-24 |
In this scenario, we are better than Georgia too since we beat Temple 61-14 with a lot less degrees of Kevin Bacon.
🤔😉😅😜
Georgia was actually the worst team in college football, everyone is better than them.
and so did Lafayette, UMass, Depaul, Penn St., and Maryland.
Rutgers should avoid Las Vagas.
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