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GAME 8 TEXAS A&M: Get used to Groundhog Day?

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4 games in 7 days...

L 79-77
W 85-84 OT
L 95-90
L 81-77

All games going down to the last minute, with 2 of them down to the last possession. Make no mistakes the program took huge strides on the Vegas trip and we learned a ton of stuff about how good Dylan and Ace are. Yet we also realized how glaring the warts are on this team. Rebounding killed us all tourney and for the first half today and RU actually did a great job boarding in the 2nd half. Instead we fouled incessantly and turned it over. Maturity issues cropped up with Harper forcing shots and then a critical turnover late. Martini an absolute abomination on the cour.t The kid was literally brought here to provide leadership and experience of being in big time situations and he failed astoundingly today in two big spots. Still a small data set but the fear I have is flashing brightly. Flashes of brilliance done in by a roster that has some deep holes. Relying on a freshman in Lathan Summerville who had a strong game when he wasnt fouling is a recipe for disaster.

To beat good teams you need guys stepping up. Today was a critical missed opportunity. RU struggled with the Aggies physicality in the first half and rightly or wrongly got into a whole heap of foul trouble. Lot of situationaly immaturity by Lathan, EO and JD. Yet RU came out like a tornado in the 2nd half led by J Will. Rutgers scored 21 points in 5 minutes en route to an eventually 29-12 run that put them up 63-54. Such a shame because Rutgers withstood the physicality of A&M and turned the game around and made the Aggies play their pace which is a track meet. A&M not a good shooting team and even worse from 3. Missed alot of chippies at the rim which in the first half they got putbacks and foul shots. 2nd half RU did a fine job on the boards. Yet once again RU liked I mentioned in the game thread found themselves at a familiar spot. In charge, this time by 9 with a chance to step on their throats and extend the lead and instead the momentum changed in a snap of the fingers. An ill advised Davis 3 miss would start a 4:30 minute Rutgers scoring drought. This was compounded by some questionable shot selection from Dylan and insanity of having Dylan Grant take back to back shots on offensive possession while A&M is on the run. That is on Pike...come on you have to do a better job there. Throw in bad fouls by Martini and Derkack and it was a team effort of brutal play in what could have been a decisive stretch. I saw this against the bottom feeders. I saw it against Notre Dame and I saw it today. The inability to sustain success for long periods of time. I get it..winning takes time to learn. This team took a leap forward vs Notre Dame but struggled to close it out a couple of times. Today it regressed.

I thought we were getting somewhere when J Will and Lathan hit back to back shots as RU went up 74-72 but again a bad choice in shot by Dylan there and then compounded by a bad foul by Lathan 90 feet away., In crunch time the team simply fell apart. J Will hit a 3 to go up 77-76 but on thei next possession. Dylan made a critical error getting too deep and had no teammates near him to bail him out and he just tossed the ball up at the rim, The Aggies would promptly score in transition to get the lead. RU never recovered from that. They were all out of sorts on every single possession late. Guys afraid to shoot and guys fumbling the ball. Martini was abysmal on back to back possession. I dont want him ever getting the ball in those situations. I think A&M defended Dylan all day. As the analysts said, they are crowding him even at the top of the key. Big time defensive plan by Buzz. Dylan's confidence was shook just enough that there was more passing than him trying to make something happen. Ultimately you have to credit Buzz. Making it extremely difficult for Dylan to pull out a game like he did vs Bama

Dylan just 6-20 fg today. Yes he isnt going to score 35 a game. He will have these nights. Its acceptable. Ace and J Will were awesome out there. J Will with 20 points on 7-8 fg and 4 boards. The catalyst on the second half tornado of points and the big time 3 to give RU the lead at 77-76f. Ace 10-20 fg made some incredible shots. Perhaps since he had that height advantage and was a bit hotter, Pike could have got him the ball late. Instead the ball went around and around and Maritini just f'd everything up. 24 points for Bailey and a whopping 10 rebounds which is awesome to see. Just 2-8 on 3s..maybe a bit too many there I would like to see some more contact because they will foul him. I know he got hobbled a bit so dont know how much that effected his play late. Now Lathan couldnt stay on the court and had a bad foul at the end of the first half and that was a bad job by Pike to leave him in there. Lathan did some really good things in the 2nd half and finished with 8 but not being able to stay on the court is going to be an issue all year long because I dont think EO will be able to stay on the court

Beyond those guys, black holes and zeroes everywhere. Derkack Martini, Grant, J Mike, EO. Hayes, Acuff went a miserable 2-16 fg for just 7 points. Are you freakin kidding me?????!!! Infuriating to me. 7 games logging 90 minutes and you are just getting 2-16 fg and 7 points of them. Oh and 7 turnovers...they had the same number of turnovers than points. The reality is whether the team is young or not, its poorly constructed. There are several players not stepping up and filling in their roles. I get it...Texas A&M is a tourney team. There is no shame in losing to them just as their is no shame in losing to Bama. Yet if you want to be a tourney team and you have two NBA top 5 picks you better start winning these games sooner than later. But here Rutgers sits at 5-3 with ZERO quality OOC wins and no chance in the future for one as SHU, Princeton and even Columbia move no needles. To make matters worse, RU annexed a bad loss at Kennessaw State. So my caveat about hold your horses. As good as these games have been and as awesome as Dylan has been, RU hasnt beaten a damn team of worth yet. That is my worry. A ton of close games and while you can say yes we are young, its going to get better, do not worry...the thing is we do not know. The Big 10 is brutal. Ohio State on the road right away next week is going to be tough. Can Pike hide the reality that I think 5-6 players are simply not good enough and looking like portal disasters. Lathan is going to be fine. Big growth this week but its unfair Pike is against him of this role and well that was the portal error wasnt it.

Some other stuff to touch on....Rutgers defense is getting better. Yes too many fouls and most of the time the refs wont let the opponent play bullyball like that. Apparently its Buzz style and he has been living on it on Vegas. I saw improvement in defense for sure helped by a bunch of missed bunnies by the Aggies. RU still cannot hit the 3 to save their lives....6-26 not good. Too many and so many blanks. Wrong guys taking them and the guys brought into make them just failing miserably. RU hitting free throws at a great rate...15-17 today but again why fall in love with the 3 so much..work harder to get to the line. I see RU shying away from physicality fading away from the bucket rather than drawing that foul. One glaring problem today was handling the ball......16 turnovers for a team averaging just 9. It seemed like RU was unprepared early for the Aggie pressure and that is on Pike. I mean turning it over first posssession is just bad.

Also I am going to give the game ball to Buzz. He outcoached Pike today. I thought Pike had opportunities to put his players in better position, not only with the foul situation but with who was taking shots. Not one of Pikes best days. Buzz didnt have the best of shooters but he had physical players and leaned on that to draw fouls and ultimate his defense shut RU down late. Helps when the refs go along with your gameplan....29 fouls called on RU giving the Aggies a whopping 42 foul shots but his team made the stops defensively on Dylan and pressuring the lesser players to cough the ball up.

I do not know if I am being too hard on this team. I know that there is a lot of hype swirling about the team right now and for Dylan/Ace rightfully so. Yet its a fine line between winning and losing. I just do not want to go through this season where every game is a groundhog day where we have the massive talent advantage with the top 2 players but the overall weakness of the supporting cast just torpedoes victories within our grasp day after day after day after day after day.
 
Our lack of 3 point shooting is really a glaring issue with each game. Refs were atrocious, was at the game near the court and can not state enough the influence the refs had on this game. Not one to complain about refs and think it’s usually a weak excuse, but a more even whistle and this is a win. The problem was the way they ate the whistle when RU was on offense and on RU plays on offense at the basket, that was even worse than all the calls made against us on defense. More even whistle with the all of RU warts and all and that’s a win.
 
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3 takeaways:

- When we had 9 point lead in 2nd half and couldn’t increase the lead in like 6 consecutive offensive sequences. JMike 3 point attempt could have been the dagger.

- Losing Ogolbe and Somerville to fouls was a disaster !

- Zero contributions from Martini / Hayes and JMike. Again! Martini was awful in every facet !

Rutgers played well in Vegas !

Hopefully we can break a jinx in that house of horrors in Columbus next Saturday !
 
4 games in 7 days...

L 79-77
W 85-84 OT
L 95-90
L 81-77

All games going down to the last minute, with 2 of them down to the last possession. Make no mistakes the program took huge strides on the Vegas trip and we learned a ton of stuff about how good Dylan and Ace are. Yet we also realized how glaring the warts are on this team. Rebounding killed us all tourney and for the first half today and RU actually did a great job boarding in the 2nd half. Instead we fouled incessantly and turned it over. Maturity issues cropped up with Harper forcing shots and then a critical turnover late. Martini an absolute abomination on the cour.t The kid was literally brought here to provide leadership and experience of being in big time situations and he failed astoundingly today in two big spots. Still a small data set but the fear I have is flashing brightly. Flashes of brilliance done in by a roster that has some deep holes. Relying on a freshman in Lathan Summerville who had a strong game when he wasnt fouling is a recipe for disaster.

To beat good teams you need guys stepping up. Today was a critical missed opportunity. RU struggled with the Aggies physicality in the first half and rightly or wrongly got into a whole heap of foul trouble. Lot of situationaly immaturity by Lathan, EO and JD. Yet RU came out like a tornado in the 2nd half led by J Will. Rutgers scored 21 points in 5 minutes en route to an eventually 29-12 run that put them up 63-54. Such a shame because Rutgers withstood the physicality of A&M and turned the game around and made the Aggies play their pace which is a track meet. A&M not a good shooting team and even worse from 3. Missed alot of chippies at the rim which in the first half they got putbacks and foul shots. 2nd half RU did a fine job on the boards. Yet once again RU liked I mentioned in the game thread found themselves at a familiar spot. In charge, this time by 9 with a chance to step on their throats and extend the lead and instead the momentum changed in a snap of the fingers. An ill advised Davis 3 miss would start a 4:30 minute Rutgers scoring drought. This was compounded by some questionable shot selection from Dylan and insanity of having Dylan Grant take back to back shots on offensive possession while A&M is on the run. That is on Pike...come on you have to do a better job there. Throw in bad fouls by Martini and Derkack and it was a team effort of brutal play in what could have been a decisive stretch. I saw this against the bottom feeders. I saw it against Notre Dame and I saw it today. The inability to sustain success for long periods of time. I get it..winning takes time to learn. This team took a leap forward vs Notre Dame but struggled to close it out a couple of times. Today it regressed.

I thought we were getting somewhere when J Will and Lathan hit back to back shots as RU went up 74-72 but again a bad choice in shot by Dylan there and then compounded by a bad foul by Lathan 90 feet away., In crunch time the team simply fell apart. J Will hit a 3 to go up 77-76 but on thei next possession. Dylan made a critical error getting too deep and had no teammates near him to bail him out and he just tossed the ball up at the rim, The Aggies would promptly score in transition to get the lead. RU never recovered from that. They were all out of sorts on every single possession late. Guys afraid to shoot and guys fumbling the ball. Martini was abysmal on back to back possession. I dont want him ever getting the ball in those situations. I think A&M defended Dylan all day. As the analysts said, they are crowding him even at the top of the key. Big time defensive plan by Buzz. Dylan's confidence was shook just enough that there was more passing than him trying to make something happen. Ultimately you have to credit Buzz. Making it extremely difficult for Dylan to pull out a game like he did vs Bama

Dylan just 6-20 fg today. Yes he isnt going to score 35 a game. He will have these nights. Its acceptable. Ace and J Will were awesome out there. J Will with 20 points on 7-8 fg and 4 boards. The catalyst on the second half tornado of points and the big time 3 to give RU the lead at 77-76f. Ace 10-20 fg made some incredible shots. Perhaps since he had that height advantage and was a bit hotter, Pike could have got him the ball late. Instead the ball went around and around and Maritini just f'd everything up. 24 points for Bailey and a whopping 10 rebounds which is awesome to see. Just 2-8 on 3s..maybe a bit too many there I would like to see some more contact because they will foul him. I know he got hobbled a bit so dont know how much that effected his play late. Now Lathan couldnt stay on the court and had a bad foul at the end of the first half and that was a bad job by Pike to leave him in there. Lathan did some really good things in the 2nd half and finished with 8 but not being able to stay on the court is going to be an issue all year long because I dont think EO will be able to stay on the court

Beyond those guys, black holes and zeroes everywhere. Derkack Martini, Grant, J Mike, EO. Hayes, Acuff went a miserable 2-16 fg for just 7 points. Are you freakin kidding me?????!!! Infuriating to me. 7 games logging 90 minutes and you are just getting 2-16 fg and 7 points of them. Oh and 7 turnovers...they had the same number of turnovers than points. The reality is whether the team is young or not, its poorly constructed. There are several players not stepping up and filling in their roles. I get it...Texas A&M is a tourney team. There is no shame in losing to them just as their is no shame in losing to Bama. Yet if you want to be a tourney team and you have two NBA top 5 picks you better start winning these games sooner than later. But here Rutgers sits at 5-3 with ZERO quality OOC wins and no chance in the future for one as SHU, Princeton and even Columbia move no needles. To make matters worse, RU annexed a bad loss at Kennessaw State. So my caveat about hold your horses. As good as these games have been and as awesome as Dylan has been, RU hasnt beaten a damn team of worth yet. That is my worry. A ton of close games and while you can say yes we are young, its going to get better, do not worry...the thing is we do not know. The Big 10 is brutal. Ohio State on the road right away next week is going to be tough. Can Pike hide the reality that I think 5-6 players are simply not good enough and looking like portal disasters. Lathan is going to be fine. Big growth this week but its unfair Pike is against him of this role and well that was the portal error wasnt it.

Some other stuff to touch on....Rutgers defense is getting better. Yes too many fouls and most of the time the refs wont let the opponent play bullyball like that. Apparently its Buzz style and he has been living on it on Vegas. I saw improvement in defense for sure helped by a bunch of missed bunnies by the Aggies. RU still cannot hit the 3 to save their lives....6-26 not good. Too many and so many blanks. Wrong guys taking them and the guys brought into make them just failing miserably. RU hitting free throws at a great rate...15-17 today but again why fall in love with the 3 so much..work harder to get to the line. I see RU shying away from physicality fading away from the bucket rather than drawing that foul. One glaring problem today was handling the ball......16 turnovers for a team averaging just 9. It seemed like RU was unprepared early for the Aggie pressure and that is on Pike. I mean turning it over first posssession is just bad.

Also I am going to give the game ball to Buzz. He outcoached Pike today. I thought Pike had opportunities to put his players in better position, not only with the foul situation but with who was taking shots. Not one of Pikes best days. Buzz didnt have the best of shooters but he had physical players and leaned on that to draw fouls and ultimate his defense shut RU down late. Helps when the refs go along with your gameplan....29 fouls called on RU giving the Aggies a whopping 42 foul shots but his team made the stops defensively on Dylan and pressuring the lesser players to cough the ball up.

I do not know if I am being too hard on this team. I know that there is a lot of hype swirling about the team right now and for Dylan/Ace rightfully so. Yet its a fine line between winning and losing. I just do not want to go through this season where every game is a groundhog day where we have the massive talent advantage with the top 2 players but the overall weakness of the supporting cast just torpedoes victories within our grasp day after day after day after day after day.
very fair recap...

i think JWill emerging is huge for this team. need to stay out of foul trouble but he's playing at a very high level.

believe Lathan continues to get better esp once the game slows down a bit. love his energy but probably could use toning it down a touch. going absolutely bananas over a defensive stop or a bucket just leads to him not locking in and then a silly mistake comes.

still like derkacks overall game because of all the little things. obviously the shooting is a concern but with ace, dylan and jwill i'm not sure how often he's going to need to do it.

think the rotation will start to get paired down a touch going into B1G play but we'll see. guys that can defend without fouling, be physical and rebound will play. i know we all want shooters but it really isn't offense that is our problem.
 
That was a bad pass to Martini in the corner. That's not totally on him. Surprised how little he has been able to contribute.

Harper caught the poor shot virus today. They did a good job defending him.

I don't understand why Davis is on the court.
 
That was a bad pass to Martini in the corner. That's not totally on him. Surprised how little he has been able to contribute.

Harper caught the poor shot virus today. They did a good job defending him.

I don't understand why Davis is on the court.
Agreed, Davis offers very little yet always gets minutes. I don’t understand it.
 
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bac- excellent recap.Fans are seeing that having two elite basketball players is a nice watch but not good enough to win games against ranked opponents.It takes complementary players having a pulse on offense and not fouling on defense .The Aggie coaching staff knew the key to winning was to limit Harper's drives to the basket and not fouling him.This game was another nail biter but Rutgers lacked the go to scorer in the last two minutes.The team has now played eight games with 22 remaining in the regular season.Rutgers needs to go on a long winning streak to enhance likelihood for a NCAA bid.Right now they don't have one quality win.
 
Getting frustrated with so many people being seemingly OK with the last few losses. Yes we played better... that is encouraging. But we lost. Both of them. At the end of the year wins matter. Non conference wins matter. We won't have any of note, along with a bad loss. We are behind the 8 ball already with the hope that we will suddenly start winning these close games.

As for Pike. I think it's very fair to question how he handled the portal. We heaped praise on him a year ago for landing the 2 stars, so if he completely fumbles on capitalizing by bringing in a very weak group of portal support, we can start to worry that we blew a once in a generation opportunity.
 
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I’m seeing real progress from Big E and Lathan. Harper and Bailey, and also Hayes, just didn’t make enough shots to win. Also I think this is the first time we saw this D. Martini seems to be crumbling. Hope he can pull it back together.

I predicted 19 regular season wins and squeaking in to the Tourney but being a dangerous team by then. So far it’s what I expected.
 
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Just crazy the jump from ivy league to big ten. I don't see it changing for Martini sadly. Just doesn't help in any one area.
 
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The recaps are always viewed from a RU perspective, which is fine if fans want to ignore the opponent. RU has a talent advantage, because of a NBA draft evaluation OR based on CBB real live game experience and age??

Wade Taylor is either 2nd team all SEC or 1st team....averaging 19PPG last year and a senior.....been through countless games and battles. He was the best guard on the court today, that doesn't mean I'd take him over Dylan Harper.....but when you play 33 to 35 games, the law of averages works out.....some days the RU guys will be better, other days, so will the opposing star players.

Wade Taylor is a better version of Maryland guard, (Young) last year....very difficult to guard and we needed better team defense to contain some shot attempts.

In terms of matchups, this was another game where playing Ogbole helps you (6 rebounds) and hurts you at the same time. He made his 2 FTs, but he's not a player you can go to (Like Sommerville) and ask to score.....so, how do you find points from him, unless it's on a dunk or lob/alley oop??

Martini.....I've already said my part on this style of player.....some teams, the matchups are better suited and others (like SEC or most Power 5 programs) there just isn't an advantage he provides on offense, defense or rebounding against more length, size or speed quickness of front court players at this level.

Derkack is a player that should play more in a JWill role, but i think he is a position where he absolutely has to improve his mid range shooting much more than his 3s. I need to see a little more of a floating shot or something other than a 3 or driving all the way to the basket. His defense is helpful and he gives max effort. But 2 PTS isn't enough for a starting player, he has to expand his offense and knock down an occasional 3.

PJ Hayes got 5 3 point attempts....hit 1....maybe if he hits another along the way, it makes a difference....it was a 3 point game and if he finds 5 shot attempts per game the rest of the year, I'll take it. He shoots 40%, and we win these closer games....if he gets hot, we will blow someone out, road or at the RAC.

JMike has to take a step forward, but it's kinda difficult when Dylan, Derkack and JWill are really your playmakers on the ball. Tough spot to ask him to improve when not on the ball and getting used to running the offense....

Acuff is still not there health wise. He is a real loss in terms of roster construction and scoring/shot attempt, to take some workload off of Ace and Dylan.....If he was healthy and playing, I think JMike minutes and shot attempts go to Acuff....JMike missed shots go into the Acuff category....probably add another 3 to 5 points there as the season goes on.

I don't know what fans expected 3 weeks into the season....Ace has played FIVE games...Lathan is learning. I actually have higher expectations for him, and I think he eventually becomes our 3rd scoring option, then Acuff, then mix in JWill and Derkack.

The final point of defense goes to Dylan Grant. He finally played and I think showed very well, in a very tough spot. Made a tough pass to Dylan, cutting for a layup. I don't love the quick 3s (teams will give him this shot, so if he makes a couple, with his defense, he becomes a complete option in the rotation)...... but Pike really kinda lost this game 2 to 3 weeks ago, by not tossing Grant out there earlier in the season. But it's a long season and still a lot to sort out.

TBD for Bryce Dortch.....if a redshirt happens, it only makes sense if Martini is productive and grabbing an occasional rebound or making plays. It is wild to me that Dortch and Grant have not emerged as options, with how guards are getting downhill against us, with no size or footspeed and lengthy options to close off these lanes or on the glass.

I'm 100% certain if Dortch had Ogbole minutes, we would take a step back in the short term and fans would cry about the portal and NIL for another 2 months.....But the defense and rebounding and squeezing another 4 to 6 PPG would absolutely happen if he gets Ogbole minutes, against these rosters like A&M without a true center. Since Grant played 14 minutes, I can't get on Pike about sitting on talent.

But it's very difficult to ask Dylan and Ace to score 45 to 50 if the others arent scoring at least 5 to 6PPG or defending at a high level. Dortch, Grant, JWill and Derkack are all capable defensive players that we should have on the court for a total of 40 minutes each game depending on how they play.....Throw Dortch and Grant out there vs the smaller Ohio State lineups and rest of December.....we need to show something different.
 
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Getting frustrated with so many people being seemingly OK with the last few losses. Yes we played better... that is encouraging. But we lost. Both of them. At the end of the year wins matter. Non conference wins matter. We won't have any of note, along with a bad loss. We are behind the 8 ball already with the hope that we will suddenly start winning these close games.

As for Pike. I think it's very fair to question how he handled the portal. We heaped praise on him a year ago for landing the 2 stars, so if he completely fumbles on capitalizing by bringing in a very weak group of portal support, we can start to worry that we blew a once in a generation opportunity.
THIS! We’re mocked for wanting wins and not just being happy that the team looks like they’re improving and scoring a lot of points.
 
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The recaps are always viewed from a RU perspective, which is fine if fans want to ignore the opponent. RU has a talent advantage, because of a NBA draft evaluation OR based on CBB real live game experience and age??

Wade Taylor is either 2nd team all SEC or 1st team....averaging 19PPG last year and a senior.....been through countless games and battles. He was the best guard on the court today, that doesn't mean I'd take him over Dylan Harper.....but when you play 33 to 35 games, the law of averages works out.....some days the RU guys will be better, other days, so will the opposing star players.

Wade Taylor is a better version of Maryland guard last year....very difficult to guard and we needed better team defense to contain some shot attempts.

In terms of matchups, this was another game where playing Ogbole helps you and hurts you at the same time. He made his FTs, but he's not a player you can go to and ask to score.....so, how do you find points from him, unless it's on a dunk or lob/alley oop??

Martini.....I've already said my part on this style of player.....some teams, the matchups are better suited and others (like SEC or most Power 5 programs) there just isn't an advantage he provides on offense, defense or rebounding against more length, size or speed quickness of front court players.

Derkack is a player that should play more on a JWill role, but i think he is a position where he absolutely has to improve his mid range shooting much more than his 3s. I need to see a little more of a floating shot or something other than a 3 or driving all the way to the basket. His defense is helpful and he gives max effort. But 2 PTS isn't enough for a starting player, he has to expand his offense and knock down an occasional 3.

PJ Hayes got 5 3 point attempts....hit 1....maybe if he hits another along the way, it makes a difference....it was a 3 point game and if he finds 5 shot attempts per game the rest of the year, I'll take it. He shoots 40%, and we win these closer games....if he gets hot, we blow someone out, road or at the RAC.

JMike has to take a step forward, but it's kinda difficult when Dyland, Derkack and JWill are really your playmakers on the ball. Tough spot to ask him to improve when not on the ball.

Acuff is still not there health wise. He is real loss in terms of roster construction. If he was healthy and playing, I think JMike minutes and shot attempts go to Acuff....JMike missed shots go into the Acuff category....probably add another 3 to 5 points there.

I don't know what fans expected 3 weeks into the season....Ace has played FIVE games...Lathan is learning. I actually have higher expectations for him, and I think he eventually becomes our 3rd scoring option, then Acuff, then mix in JWill and Derkack.

The final point of defense goes to Dylan Grant. He finally played and I think showed very well, in a very tough spot. Made a tough pass to Dylan, cutting for a layup. I don't love the 3s, but Pike really kinda lost this game 2 to 3 weeks ago, by not tossing Grant out there earlier in the season. But it's a long season and still a lot to sort out.

TBD for Bryce Dortch.....if a redshirt happens, it only makes sense if Martini is productive and grabbing an occasional rebound or making plays. It is wild to me that Dortch and Grant have not emerged as options, with how guards are getting downhill against us, with no size or options to close off these lanes.

I'm 100% certain if Dortch had Ogbole minutes, we would take a step back in the short term and fans would cry about the portal and NIL for another 2 months.....But the defense and rebounding and squeezing another 4 to 6 PPG would happen if he gets Ogbole minutes, against these rosters like A&M without a true center. Since Grant played 14 minutes, I can't get on Pike about sitting on talent.

But it's very difficult to ask Dylan and Ace to score 45 to 50 if the others arent scoring or defending at a high level. Dortch, Grant, JWill and Derkack are all capable defensive players. Throw Dortch and Grant out there vs the smaller Ohio State lineups.
You don’t know what fans expected? How about 6-2 or maybe even 7-1? Maybe for the portal hauls to be even half as good as we were promised they were. Also I like Dortch’s future but what the heck with burping all the 3s. I think he’s 0/5 on the year. Why? I thought he was a rebounder.
 
allocco is the one that got away eh. I mean these two are night and day
Allocco is not a helpful player at this level, he gives up more points than he scores and Houston shut him down the other night. This is another situation where a player has a good game or situation against RU one time and fans think it carries over for 4 months.....haven't we learned to look bigger picture and ask "who is Allocco going to guard on Alabame or Texas A&M backcourts...?? Derkack is significantly better defensively and he's still not locking down these types of players, but he's competitive level is 10/10.....Allocco on ND is a better fit, which is about style and type of league (ACC).....you can get away with that in that league, not the SEC, B1G or Big 12......
 
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You don’t know what fans expected? How about 6-2 or maybe even 7-1? Maybe for the portal hauls to be even half as good as we were promised they were. Also I like Dortch’s future but what the heck with burping all the 3s. I think he’s 0/5 on the year. Why? I thought he was a rebounder.
Kennesaw and ND are essentially the same caliber of rosters IMO. RU was a 4.5 point underdog vs A&M and 11.5 vs Bama.....they were a 1 PT favorite and if not for some miracle/lucky 3s by ND, we win by about 7 to 9 PTS......

Considering we have 3 freshman contributing in November, no Acuff major minutes off a broken foot and nothing of note from Martini minutes, you expect 7-1??

The expectations with 3 to 5 freshman would be that they're better in January and February vs late November. I think that's common sense.
 
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Kennesaw and ND are essentially the same caliber of rosters IMO. RU was a 4.5 point underdog vs A&M and 11.5 vs Bama.....they were a 1 PT favorite and if not for some miracle/lucky 3s by ND, we win by about 7 to 9 PTS......

Considering we have 3 freshman contributing in November, no Acuff major minutes off a broken foot and nothing of note from Martini minutes, you expect 7-1??

The expectations with 3 to 5 freshman would be that they're better in January and February vs late November. I think that's common sense.
I think common sense is when I said 6-2, maybe 7-1 I meant 6-2. Also if Kennesaw is the same caliber of roster as us we’re in trouble in the B1G.
 
You don’t know what fans expected? How about 6-2 or maybe even 7-1? Maybe for the portal hauls to be even half as good as we were promised they were. Also I like Dortch’s future but what the heck with burping all the 3s. I think he’s 0/5 on the year. Why? I thought he was a rebounder.

They went toe to toe with a top title contender and a likely top 5 seed in the tournament. Sure another win would be huge but this season is a marathon and a lot of good things came from this tournament that were huge question marks.

  • The defense was much better than what we saw.
  • they just out rebounded one of the best rebounding teams in the country
  • JWill established himself as the third option on offense.
I think Sommerville is the last piece to this team being a legitimate threat. He has the foundation, now he just needs to clean up some of the small things.
 
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I think common sense is when I said 6-2, maybe 7-1 I meant 6-2. Also if Kennesaw is the same caliber of roster as us we’re in trouble in the B1G.
I mean besides the absence of bad loss I don’t think I feel any better about the team at 6-2 vs 5-3 if we’re using the KSU game as the win
 
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3 takeaways:

- When we had 9 point lead in 2nd half and couldn’t increase the lead in like 6 consecutive offensive sequences. JMike 3 point attempt could have been the dagger.

- Losing Ogolbe and Somerville to fouls was a disaster !

- Zero contributions from Martini / Hayes and JMike. Again! Martini was awful in every facet !

Rutgers played well in Vegas !

Hopefully we can break a jinx in that house of horrors in Columbus next Saturday !
Jmike missing that 3 in transition when it was a 3 on 1 and the ball bouncing over the backboard was like the killer of all killers for momentum. You need points there. Absolutely need them
 
Jmike missing that 3 in transition when it was a 3 on 1 and the ball bouncing over the backboard was like the killer of all killers for momentum. You need points there. Absolutely need them
Unfortunately JMike had already knocked down am open three off a kick from Dylan, I think, but Dylan was called for something before the pass and it didn't count. Only going to get so many smoke jumpers to go!
 
4 games in 7 days...

L 79-77
W 85-84 OT
L 95-90
L 81-77

All games going down to the last minute, with 2 of them down to the last possession. Make no mistakes the program took huge strides on the Vegas trip and we learned a ton of stuff about how good Dylan and Ace are. Yet we also realized how glaring the warts are on this team. Rebounding killed us all tourney and for the first half today and RU actually did a great job boarding in the 2nd half. Instead we fouled incessantly and turned it over. Maturity issues cropped up with Harper forcing shots and then a critical turnover late. Martini an absolute abomination on the cour.t The kid was literally brought here to provide leadership and experience of being in big time situations and he failed astoundingly today in two big spots. Still a small data set but the fear I have is flashing brightly. Flashes of brilliance done in by a roster that has some deep holes. Relying on a freshman in Lathan Summerville who had a strong game when he wasnt fouling is a recipe for disaster.

To beat good teams you need guys stepping up. Today was a critical missed opportunity. RU struggled with the Aggies physicality in the first half and rightly or wrongly got into a whole heap of foul trouble. Lot of situationaly immaturity by Lathan, EO and JD. Yet RU came out like a tornado in the 2nd half led by J Will. Rutgers scored 21 points in 5 minutes en route to an eventually 29-12 run that put them up 63-54. Such a shame because Rutgers withstood the physicality of A&M and turned the game around and made the Aggies play their pace which is a track meet. A&M not a good shooting team and even worse from 3. Missed alot of chippies at the rim which in the first half they got putbacks and foul shots. 2nd half RU did a fine job on the boards. Yet once again RU liked I mentioned in the game thread found themselves at a familiar spot. In charge, this time by 9 with a chance to step on their throats and extend the lead and instead the momentum changed in a snap of the fingers. An ill advised Davis 3 miss would start a 4:30 minute Rutgers scoring drought. This was compounded by some questionable shot selection from Dylan and insanity of having Dylan Grant take back to back shots on offensive possession while A&M is on the run. That is on Pike...come on you have to do a better job there. Throw in bad fouls by Martini and Derkack and it was a team effort of brutal play in what could have been a decisive stretch. I saw this against the bottom feeders. I saw it against Notre Dame and I saw it today. The inability to sustain success for long periods of time. I get it..winning takes time to learn. This team took a leap forward vs Notre Dame but struggled to close it out a couple of times. Today it regressed.

I thought we were getting somewhere when J Will and Lathan hit back to back shots as RU went up 74-72 but again a bad choice in shot by Dylan there and then compounded by a bad foul by Lathan 90 feet away., In crunch time the team simply fell apart. J Will hit a 3 to go up 77-76 but on thei next possession. Dylan made a critical error getting too deep and had no teammates near him to bail him out and he just tossed the ball up at the rim, The Aggies would promptly score in transition to get the lead. RU never recovered from that. They were all out of sorts on every single possession late. Guys afraid to shoot and guys fumbling the ball. Martini was abysmal on back to back possession. I dont want him ever getting the ball in those situations. I think A&M defended Dylan all day. As the analysts said, they are crowding him even at the top of the key. Big time defensive plan by Buzz. Dylan's confidence was shook just enough that there was more passing than him trying to make something happen. Ultimately you have to credit Buzz. Making it extremely difficult for Dylan to pull out a game like he did vs Bama

Dylan just 6-20 fg today. Yes he isnt going to score 35 a game. He will have these nights. Its acceptable. Ace and J Will were awesome out there. J Will with 20 points on 7-8 fg and 4 boards. The catalyst on the second half tornado of points and the big time 3 to give RU the lead at 77-76f. Ace 10-20 fg made some incredible shots. Perhaps since he had that height advantage and was a bit hotter, Pike could have got him the ball late. Instead the ball went around and around and Maritini just f'd everything up. 24 points for Bailey and a whopping 10 rebounds which is awesome to see. Just 2-8 on 3s..maybe a bit too many there I would like to see some more contact because they will foul him. I know he got hobbled a bit so dont know how much that effected his play late. Now Lathan couldnt stay on the court and had a bad foul at the end of the first half and that was a bad job by Pike to leave him in there. Lathan did some really good things in the 2nd half and finished with 8 but not being able to stay on the court is going to be an issue all year long because I dont think EO will be able to stay on the court

Beyond those guys, black holes and zeroes everywhere. Derkack Martini, Grant, J Mike, EO. Hayes, Acuff went a miserable 2-16 fg for just 7 points. Are you freakin kidding me?????!!! Infuriating to me. 7 games logging 90 minutes and you are just getting 2-16 fg and 7 points of them. Oh and 7 turnovers...they had the same number of turnovers than points. The reality is whether the team is young or not, its poorly constructed. There are several players not stepping up and filling in their roles. I get it...Texas A&M is a tourney team. There is no shame in losing to them just as their is no shame in losing to Bama. Yet if you want to be a tourney team and you have two NBA top 5 picks you better start winning these games sooner than later. But here Rutgers sits at 5-3 with ZERO quality OOC wins and no chance in the future for one as SHU, Princeton and even Columbia move no needles. To make matters worse, RU annexed a bad loss at Kennessaw State. So my caveat about hold your horses. As good as these games have been and as awesome as Dylan has been, RU hasnt beaten a damn team of worth yet. That is my worry. A ton of close games and while you can say yes we are young, its going to get better, do not worry...the thing is we do not know. The Big 10 is brutal. Ohio State on the road right away next week is going to be tough. Can Pike hide the reality that I think 5-6 players are simply not good enough and looking like portal disasters. Lathan is going to be fine. Big growth this week but its unfair Pike is against him of this role and well that was the portal error wasnt it.

Some other stuff to touch on....Rutgers defense is getting better. Yes too many fouls and most of the time the refs wont let the opponent play bullyball like that. Apparently its Buzz style and he has been living on it on Vegas. I saw improvement in defense for sure helped by a bunch of missed bunnies by the Aggies. RU still cannot hit the 3 to save their lives....6-26 not good. Too many and so many blanks. Wrong guys taking them and the guys brought into make them just failing miserably. RU hitting free throws at a great rate...15-17 today but again why fall in love with the 3 so much..work harder to get to the line. I see RU shying away from physicality fading away from the bucket rather than drawing that foul. One glaring problem today was handling the ball......16 turnovers for a team averaging just 9. It seemed like RU was unprepared early for the Aggie pressure and that is on Pike. I mean turning it over first posssession is just bad.

Also I am going to give the game ball to Buzz. He outcoached Pike today. I thought Pike had opportunities to put his players in better position, not only with the foul situation but with who was taking shots. Not one of Pikes best days. Buzz didnt have the best of shooters but he had physical players and leaned on that to draw fouls and ultimate his defense shut RU down late. Helps when the refs go along with your gameplan....29 fouls called on RU giving the Aggies a whopping 42 foul shots but his team made the stops defensively on Dylan and pressuring the lesser players to cough the ball up.

I do not know if I am being too hard on this team. I know that there is a lot of hype swirling about the team right now and for Dylan/Ace rightfully so. Yet its a fine line between winning and losing. I just do not want to go through this season where every game is a groundhog day where we have the massive talent advantage with the top 2 players but the overall weakness of the supporting cast just torpedoes victories within our grasp day after day after day after day after day.
Not one mention of NIL or lack of it when discussing the players we got through the portal. It’s why you’re a fraud bashing players who are playing way above their heads. You simply do not care about the program so as long as you get to write 10 paragraphs of a recap win or lose. Bashing players who came here for free or next to free and a coach who is recruiting at a disadvantage against his peers is simply a bad look.
 
Not one mention of NIL or lack of it when discussing the players we got through the portal. It’s why you’re a fraud bashing players who are playing way above their heads. You simply do not care about the program so as long as you get to write 10 paragraphs of a recap win or lose. Bashing players who came here for free or next to free and a coach who is recruiting at a disadvantage against his peers is simply a bad look.
It's so weak to think NIL needs to be part of every conversation. Most don't give a shit how much players got or didn't get, just that they are here. I don't, and you don't, know if a Derkack/Martini type is getting $10K or $100K, so who cares. Their abilities and fit can still be discussed.
 
It's so weak to think NIL needs to be part of every conversation. Most don't give a shit how much players got or didn't get, just that they are here. I don't, and you don't, know if a Derkack/Martini type is getting $10K or $100K, so who cares. Their abilities and fit can still be discussed.
NIL is a fundamental part of division one basketball and football. It’s the number one two and three reasons why players choose a school and why they do not. To not mention it and then bash the abilities of the players is just BS. Coach had high interest in potential players to be our Center this year and it did not materialize because we had no money and other schools did. That is very important don’t ya think? Let me guess your another one high on opinion but never opens the wallet. It’s obvious your sick of NIL because your sitting on the sideline refusing to help. The OP doesn’t care NIL or not win or lose be will give you his 10 paragraphs.
 
It's so weak to think NIL needs to be part of every conversation. Most don't give a shit how much players got or didn't get, just that they are here. I don't, and you don't, know if a Derkack/Martini type is getting $10K or $100K, so who cares. Their abilities and fit can still be discussed.
I agree with you that I wish it didn’t matter and didn’t have to care … but we do

Texas AM got Pharrell Payne from Minnesota cause of $, Alabama got Cliff because of $ and grant Nelson the year before because of $

It’s just the way it is and if you think it has nothing to do with why we have the players we have and other teams have the players they have is silly

That being said we can still make the best use possible of the $ we do have and it feels like we didn’t
 
I think common sense is when I said 6-2, maybe 7-1 I meant 6-2. Also if Kennesaw is the same caliber of roster as us we’re in trouble in the B1G.
I expected 6-2 preseason. Instead it's 5-3. I'm not having a frigging meltdown. Because I've seen basketball seasons before where teams win and lose games you don't expect, and young teams get better over the season.
 
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The recaps are always viewed from a RU perspective, which is fine if fans want to ignore the opponent. RU has a talent advantage, because of a NBA draft evaluation OR based on CBB real live game experience and age??

Wade Taylor is either 2nd team all SEC or 1st team....averaging 19PPG last year and a senior.....been through countless games and battles. He was the best guard on the court today, that doesn't mean I'd take him over Dylan Harper.....but when you play 33 to 35 games, the law of averages works out.....some days the RU guys will be better, other days, so will the opposing star players.

Wade Taylor is a better version of Maryland guard, (Young) last year....very difficult to guard and we needed better team defense to contain some shot attempts.

In terms of matchups, this was another game where playing Ogbole helps you (6 rebounds) and hurts you at the same time. He made his 2 FTs, but he's not a player you can go to (Like Sommerville) and ask to score.....so, how do you find points from him, unless it's on a dunk or lob/alley oop??

Martini.....I've already said my part on this style of player.....some teams, the matchups are better suited and others (like SEC or most Power 5 programs) there just isn't an advantage he provides on offense, defense or rebounding against more length, size or speed quickness of front court players at this level.

Derkack is a player that should play more in a JWill role, but i think he is a position where he absolutely has to improve his mid range shooting much more than his 3s. I need to see a little more of a floating shot or something other than a 3 or driving all the way to the basket. His defense is helpful and he gives max effort. But 2 PTS isn't enough for a starting player, he has to expand his offense and knock down an occasional 3.

PJ Hayes got 5 3 point attempts....hit 1....maybe if he hits another along the way, it makes a difference....it was a 3 point game and if he finds 5 shot attempts per game the rest of the year, I'll take it. He shoots 40%, and we win these closer games....if he gets hot, we will blow someone out, road or at the RAC.

JMike has to take a step forward, but it's kinda difficult when Dylan, Derkack and JWill are really your playmakers on the ball. Tough spot to ask him to improve when not on the ball and getting used to running the offense....

Acuff is still not there health wise. He is a real loss in terms of roster construction and scoring/shot attempt, to take some workload off of Ace and Dylan.....If he was healthy and playing, I think JMike minutes and shot attempts go to Acuff....JMike missed shots go into the Acuff category....probably add another 3 to 5 points there as the season goes on.

I don't know what fans expected 3 weeks into the season....Ace has played FIVE games...Lathan is learning. I actually have higher expectations for him, and I think he eventually becomes our 3rd scoring option, then Acuff, then mix in JWill and Derkack.

The final point of defense goes to Dylan Grant. He finally played and I think showed very well, in a very tough spot. Made a tough pass to Dylan, cutting for a layup. I don't love the quick 3s (teams will give him this shot, so if he makes a couple, with his defense, he becomes a complete option in the rotation)...... but Pike really kinda lost this game 2 to 3 weeks ago, by not tossing Grant out there earlier in the season. But it's a long season and still a lot to sort out.

TBD for Bryce Dortch.....if a redshirt happens, it only makes sense if Martini is productive and grabbing an occasional rebound or making plays. It is wild to me that Dortch and Grant have not emerged as options, with how guards are getting downhill against us, with no size or footspeed and lengthy options to close off these lanes or on the glass.

I'm 100% certain if Dortch had Ogbole minutes, we would take a step back in the short term and fans would cry about the portal and NIL for another 2 months.....But the defense and rebounding and squeezing another 4 to 6 PPG would absolutely happen if he gets Ogbole minutes, against these rosters like A&M without a true center. Since Grant played 14 minutes, I can't get on Pike about sitting on talent.

But it's very difficult to ask Dylan and Ace to score 45 to 50 if the others arent scoring at least 5 to 6PPG or defending at a high level. Dortch, Grant, JWill and Derkack are all capable defensive players that we should have on the court for a total of 40 minutes each game depending on how they play.....Throw Dortch and Grant out there vs the smaller Ohio State lineups and rest of December.....we need to show something different.
Agree with most of this. JWill is and will stay the 3rd scoring option MOST nights. Matchups and who is hot will ultimately dictate.
 
I expected 6-2 preseason. Instead it's 5-3. I'm not having a frigging meltdown. Because I've seen basketball seasons before where teams win and lose games you don't expect, and young teams get better over the season.
Fair. It will come down to their position in the B1G standings. I’m only concerned about that because of some fundamental facets of the game where, as a team, we’ve been very poor. What has happened so far is a bad Q3 loss and we weren’t able to secure a prominent OOC win for the resume. That dents the resume. I hope we make the NCAAs, that’s where the fun is.
 
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4 games in 7 days...

L 79-77
W 85-84 OT
L 95-90
L 81-77

All games going down to the last minute, with 2 of them down to the last possession. Make no mistakes the program took huge strides on the Vegas trip and we learned a ton of stuff about how good Dylan and Ace are. Yet we also realized how glaring the warts are on this team. Rebounding killed us all tourney and for the first half today and RU actually did a great job boarding in the 2nd half. Instead we fouled incessantly and turned it over. Maturity issues cropped up with Harper forcing shots and then a critical turnover late. Martini an absolute abomination on the cour.t The kid was literally brought here to provide leadership and experience of being in big time situations and he failed astoundingly today in two big spots. Still a small data set but the fear I have is flashing brightly. Flashes of brilliance done in by a roster that has some deep holes. Relying on a freshman in Lathan Summerville who had a strong game when he wasnt fouling is a recipe for disaster.

To beat good teams you need guys stepping up. Today was a critical missed opportunity. RU struggled with the Aggies physicality in the first half and rightly or wrongly got into a whole heap of foul trouble. Lot of situationaly immaturity by Lathan, EO and JD. Yet RU came out like a tornado in the 2nd half led by J Will. Rutgers scored 21 points in 5 minutes en route to an eventually 29-12 run that put them up 63-54. Such a shame because Rutgers withstood the physicality of A&M and turned the game around and made the Aggies play their pace which is a track meet. A&M not a good shooting team and even worse from 3. Missed alot of chippies at the rim which in the first half they got putbacks and foul shots. 2nd half RU did a fine job on the boards. Yet once again RU liked I mentioned in the game thread found themselves at a familiar spot. In charge, this time by 9 with a chance to step on their throats and extend the lead and instead the momentum changed in a snap of the fingers. An ill advised Davis 3 miss would start a 4:30 minute Rutgers scoring drought. This was compounded by some questionable shot selection from Dylan and insanity of having Dylan Grant take back to back shots on offensive possession while A&M is on the run. That is on Pike...come on you have to do a better job there. Throw in bad fouls by Martini and Derkack and it was a team effort of brutal play in what could have been a decisive stretch. I saw this against the bottom feeders. I saw it against Notre Dame and I saw it today. The inability to sustain success for long periods of time. I get it..winning takes time to learn. This team took a leap forward vs Notre Dame but struggled to close it out a couple of times. Today it regressed.

I thought we were getting somewhere when J Will and Lathan hit back to back shots as RU went up 74-72 but again a bad choice in shot by Dylan there and then compounded by a bad foul by Lathan 90 feet away., In crunch time the team simply fell apart. J Will hit a 3 to go up 77-76 but on thei next possession. Dylan made a critical error getting too deep and had no teammates near him to bail him out and he just tossed the ball up at the rim, The Aggies would promptly score in transition to get the lead. RU never recovered from that. They were all out of sorts on every single possession late. Guys afraid to shoot and guys fumbling the ball. Martini was abysmal on back to back possession. I dont want him ever getting the ball in those situations. I think A&M defended Dylan all day. As the analysts said, they are crowding him even at the top of the key. Big time defensive plan by Buzz. Dylan's confidence was shook just enough that there was more passing than him trying to make something happen. Ultimately you have to credit Buzz. Making it extremely difficult for Dylan to pull out a game like he did vs Bama

Dylan just 6-20 fg today. Yes he isnt going to score 35 a game. He will have these nights. Its acceptable. Ace and J Will were awesome out there. J Will with 20 points on 7-8 fg and 4 boards. The catalyst on the second half tornado of points and the big time 3 to give RU the lead at 77-76f. Ace 10-20 fg made some incredible shots. Perhaps since he had that height advantage and was a bit hotter, Pike could have got him the ball late. Instead the ball went around and around and Maritini just f'd everything up. 24 points for Bailey and a whopping 10 rebounds which is awesome to see. Just 2-8 on 3s..maybe a bit too many there I would like to see some more contact because they will foul him. I know he got hobbled a bit so dont know how much that effected his play late. Now Lathan couldnt stay on the court and had a bad foul at the end of the first half and that was a bad job by Pike to leave him in there. Lathan did some really good things in the 2nd half and finished with 8 but not being able to stay on the court is going to be an issue all year long because I dont think EO will be able to stay on the court

Beyond those guys, black holes and zeroes everywhere. Derkack Martini, Grant, J Mike, EO. Hayes, Acuff went a miserable 2-16 fg for just 7 points. Are you freakin kidding me?????!!! Infuriating to me. 7 games logging 90 minutes and you are just getting 2-16 fg and 7 points of them. Oh and 7 turnovers...they had the same number of turnovers than points. The reality is whether the team is young or not, its poorly constructed. There are several players not stepping up and filling in their roles. I get it...Texas A&M is a tourney team. There is no shame in losing to them just as their is no shame in losing to Bama. Yet if you want to be a tourney team and you have two NBA top 5 picks you better start winning these games sooner than later. But here Rutgers sits at 5-3 with ZERO quality OOC wins and no chance in the future for one as SHU, Princeton and even Columbia move no needles. To make matters worse, RU annexed a bad loss at Kennessaw State. So my caveat about hold your horses. As good as these games have been and as awesome as Dylan has been, RU hasnt beaten a damn team of worth yet. That is my worry. A ton of close games and while you can say yes we are young, its going to get better, do not worry...the thing is we do not know. The Big 10 is brutal. Ohio State on the road right away next week is going to be tough. Can Pike hide the reality that I think 5-6 players are simply not good enough and looking like portal disasters. Lathan is going to be fine. Big growth this week but its unfair Pike is against him of this role and well that was the portal error wasnt it.

Some other stuff to touch on....Rutgers defense is getting better. Yes too many fouls and most of the time the refs wont let the opponent play bullyball like that. Apparently its Buzz style and he has been living on it on Vegas. I saw improvement in defense for sure helped by a bunch of missed bunnies by the Aggies. RU still cannot hit the 3 to save their lives....6-26 not good. Too many and so many blanks. Wrong guys taking them and the guys brought into make them just failing miserably. RU hitting free throws at a great rate...15-17 today but again why fall in love with the 3 so much..work harder to get to the line. I see RU shying away from physicality fading away from the bucket rather than drawing that foul. One glaring problem today was handling the ball......16 turnovers for a team averaging just 9. It seemed like RU was unprepared early for the Aggie pressure and that is on Pike. I mean turning it over first posssession is just bad.

Also I am going to give the game ball to Buzz. He outcoached Pike today. I thought Pike had opportunities to put his players in better position, not only with the foul situation but with who was taking shots. Not one of Pikes best days. Buzz didnt have the best of shooters but he had physical players and leaned on that to draw fouls and ultimate his defense shut RU down late. Helps when the refs go along with your gameplan....29 fouls called on RU giving the Aggies a whopping 42 foul shots but his team made the stops defensively on Dylan and pressuring the lesser players to cough the ball up.

I do not know if I am being too hard on this team. I know that there is a lot of hype swirling about the team right now and for Dylan/Ace rightfully so. Yet its a fine line between winning and losing. I just do not want to go through this season where every game is a groundhog day where we have the massive talent advantage with the top 2 players but the overall weakness of the supporting cast just torpedoes victories within our grasp day after day after day after day after day.
Had a family party yesterday, so couldn’t watch the game until late last night and didn’t have time to do a Rapid Reaction thread, but as usual, bac’s recap sums it up well. A few additional thoughts:

1. An “off” night for Dylan was inevitable, and Buzz deserves a ton of credit for the 3/4 press and strong hedging on screens to swarm him. But I also thought there were at least 4 possessions where Dylan forced bad shots. He needs to be smarter on every possession if we’re going to be in nip & tuck games every night where every possession matters.

2. Ace seems to be hitting his stride after the early season hip injury. Two very good games in a row, not only 20+ points, but the 10 rebounds against aTm were huge. BUT HE NEEDS TO TAKE THAT WIDE OPEN THREE IN CRUNCH TIME INSTEAD IF PASSING TO MARTINI IN THE CORNER. That was not the time for Ace to be unselfish.

3. JWill showed real leadership in the second half by coming out of the locker room with his hair on fire, crashing the boards, cutting to the basket, and hitting another three. We just need that in the first half too.

4. I am hugely disappointed in Martini. He has been a complete zero for most of our games, and I really thought his spot up shooting would help us. But he hasn’t even gotten many shots in the past few games and is making unforced errors that you don’t expect from a 5th year senior.

5. Similar disappointment with Hayes, although, as a pure shooter, I feel like he will come around, as shooting is very cyclical.

6. I like the progress Ogbole has shown the last two games, but he has to learn to defend without fouling. Same goes for Sommerville. We can’t have both of our bigs foul out after playing fewer than 15 minutes apiece.

7. Acuff’s season has been derailed before it ever got started. Hopefully this week off will help him shake off the rust, because we really need him to provide an offensive spark off the bench. As it stands right now, Pike will still give minutes to JMike — who has been an abject disaster over the past five games — over Acuff, because Acuff isn’t scoring enough to make up for his slow-footed defense. If Acuff can start scoring, it will help Pike in limiting JMike’s minutes.

8. Big picture-wise, this team was always going to struggle some in November and probably December. We’re relying on true freshmen to be our top players, and also incorporating 9 new players overall. It’s going to take time for Pike to get this team to play good defense, and we’ve seen some improvement over the course of these 8 games, but not enough.

What I didn’t anticipate was Hayes and Martini struggling from deep, and that has really stifled our offense during stretches when Ace and Dylan are off the court or getting swarmed.

As well, our crunch time execution has been a bit of a mess, and much of that can be attributed to Dylan and Ace making poor decisions in the last 3 minutes of games, and nobody else stepping up either. I attribute this to simple inexperience by our two freshmen, and I have no doubt that they will learn from their mistakes.

9. At 5-3, we are at least one game behind where I thought we’d be, which is due to the Kennesaw loss. Unfortunately, there are no more chances for a quality OOC win, so we will have to make up for the KSU loss in the conference season. There are certainly concerns here, and we just have to hope Pike can smoothe out the issues, and soon.
 
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With all our flaws and faults we could’ve won the last two games if we handled end of game correctly. I’d like to see us run high ball screen with Ace instead of our regular bigs. Ace is a very good mid range shooter and if they blitz the PNR it should free Ace for a very good look from top of key. If they don’t blitz it, Dylan still gets downhill and Ace can follow for option down lane and/or rebound.
 
Ace going downhill with the ball scares me, little like Jaylen Brown where waiting for him to kick it out of bounds or too loose with handle
 
Ace going downhill with the ball scares me, little like Jaylen Brown where waiting for him to kick it out of bounds or too loose with handle
If we’re being honest Ace doesn’t like going downhill either. He likes midrange shots and passes whenever he’s in a contested drive at the rim.
 
Good balanced recap overall.

Beyond those guys, black holes and zeroes everywhere. Derkack Martini, Grant, J Mike, EO. Hayes, Acuff went a miserable 2-16 fg for just 7 points. Are you freakin kidding me?????!!! Infuriating to me. 7 games logging 90 minutes and you are just getting 2-16 fg and 7 points of them. Oh and 7 turnovers...they had the same number of turnovers than points. The reality is whether the team is young or not, it’s poorly constructed. There are several players not stepping up and filling in their roles.

I think it’s impossible that these players are actually this bad given they have stats from their previous spots. Different competition yes, but they can’t be this hopeless. They will play better.

Too many … why fall in love with the 3 so much..

Man I really wonder what some of you guys are going to say if we ever become a program that *actually* takes a lot of threes. We are currently #304 in the percentage of our FGA that are 3 pointers
 
Good balanced recap overall.



I think it’s impossible that these players are actually this bad given they have stats from their previous spots. Different competition yes, but they can’t be this hopeless. They will play better.



Man I really wonder what some of you guys are going to say if we ever become a program that *actually* takes a lot of threes. We are currently #304 in the percentage of our FGA that are 3 pointers
RU is 247 in 3pt % yippee
 
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I put this loss squarely on the shoulders of Pike. He was severely outcoached. Player rotation is crazy and Pike often takes out the hot hand rather than riding it out. He fails to protect players and does he even know what a ZONE defense is? He just may have come to the limits of his coaching ability! I said this previously and again he needs to shorten his bench and let players sit. This is now a critical time and if the team doesn't go on a run there will be no dance for this team. The future is very cloudy, and the best outcome may be a perennial bubble team
 
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