The problem is Grant and Dortch can't shoot either, so yes, as freshman they actually could be worse, but its getting to the point where we should just find out.
Oh, and EO is already better than Candido Sa or Shaq ever were.
GAME 9 OHIO STATE: Stuck in a Moment RU can't get out of
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Oh, and EO is already better than Candido Sa or Shaq ever were.
The people pretending that trailing St. Peter’s with 4 minutes left wasn’t an issue are pretty quiet right now
I thought for sure he took one, my bad, point still remains
Grant has played 20 total minutes 0-8 fg shooting with 0-5 from 3 and 3 rebounds
I was listening on the radio, so I can’t give extensive feedback, but I can confidently say that if your opponent shoots 55% from the field, you will probably lose.
With respect to the defense, I think I couple of things are going on. This team does not execute Pike’s defense well, and his defense is predictable and teams have adapted to take advantage. I really think Pike needs to simplify things this year, less double teaming the ball, less switching, and keep the 4 and 5 in the paint. Teams are abusing us because so many players are out of position, we need to play basic fundamental defense, take away the 3s and take away the easy buckets in the paint.
On offense, we really can’t count on much other than Dylan and Ace, so Pike and the staff really need to figure out how to free them up to get some easier opportunities. It can’t all be iso with them trying to defeat the defense on their own. Ace too often gets the ball 18+ feet from the basket, we need to get him cutting to the rim. Some pick and roll from Dylan and Ace would also be a good way to attack the defense. And having JWill or Deckack initiate the offense to get Dylan relatively open would also help.
With respect to the defense, I think I couple of things are going on. This team does not execute Pike’s defense well, and his defense is predictable and teams have adapted to take advantage. I really think Pike needs to simplify things this year, less double teaming the ball, less switching, and keep the 4 and 5 in the paint. Teams are abusing us because so many players are out of position, we need to play basic fundamental defense, take away the 3s and take away the easy buckets in the paint.
On offense, we really can’t count on much other than Dylan and Ace, so Pike and the staff really need to figure out how to free them up to get some easier opportunities. It can’t all be iso with them trying to defeat the defense on their own. Ace too often gets the ball 18+ feet from the basket, we need to get him cutting to the rim. Some pick and roll from Dylan and Ace would also be a good way to attack the defense. And having JWill or Deckack initiate the offense to get Dylan relatively open would also help.
I disagree with all of the “accountability” stuff (what does that even mean exactly?) but this rest of it seems pretty accurate.
The team is not good and if they can’t learn defense and rebounding quick then they are ****ed. And I will be pretty annoyed if Pike squanders this year tbh
The team is not good and if they can’t learn defense and rebounding quick then they are ****ed. And I will be pretty annoyed if Pike squanders this year tbh
good points, Buckeyes were on Dylan with help at the top of the key immediately and it was effective , perhaps JWill at the point when this happens in future.
Thorton/Royal 17 for 25
Harper/Bailey 12 for 29
I agreed with you on your accountability point. But with respect to defense and rebounding, maybe it is time to stop having your 4 and 5 chasing players on the perimeter and getting out of position. Have them stay in the paint, focus on interior defense and rebounding.
Good recap of the state of the team thus far. Wish you were wrong, but it’s all true. We may lose more than last year’s team, and that team SUCKED! You mentioned this team doesn’t do anything well, I will give them one thing, they shoot free throws well and better than most recent RU teams, beyond that there is nothing that comes to mind that they do well.
The guards and wings should shut down the open 3s. Stop overplaying the ball and play straight up.
I wonder if their defense was so poor because they were trying to stay out of foul trouble, after players fouled out and all the fouls called against RU in the Texas A&M game.
According to the season stats, EO has not taken a three this year.
Accountability
Accountability: an obligation or willingness to accept responsibility or to account for one's actions
Well, I didn't mean what does the word mean. I mean what does it mean from a practical perspective? When Lathan went one on five he was taken out. Yelling or whatever isn't going to make the defense better. I know you think people aren't trying every time they play bad but that's not really the issue here.
its one play, its the whole approach. Do you think that Ace or Dylan are worried about being yanked? Do you think that may carry over to the other players. Another bind for Pike is he takes players out and he is replacing them with black holes as well. Do you think the players are accountable to each other. I have not seen a Pike team with less "teamwork" than this one.
I mean, probably not, but that’s because they can’t be yanked without essentially sacrificing any chance to win the game. That’s still a roster issue more than a coaching issue.
I mean, exactly? For better or worse he needs to play with what he’s got.
How the **** should I know? Outside of extreme cases a la Mag from last year, fans trying to infer player mindsets from what they see on the court is the worst.
Disagree. We don’t have the players to play effective defense. Guards constantly get beat off the dribble because of lack of quickness only to find a clear path to basket do to lack of physicality of and poor basketball IQ and coaching of bigs. Not correctable at this point. As to offense it has been discussed for years that Pike is coaching deficient. Pleaded for years to bring in an assistant who could act as an offensive guru. Dylan and Ace need to figure out to score in bunches on their own. That may still be possible.
its the perils of the NIL world and portal and it totally ****ing sucks. I dont enjoy one year stop overs and I dont enjoy not knowing if any of these players are going to be back on the court next year or will they bolt to the highest bidder. As I said before, I will be out of the RAC within the next 10 years or sooner, I dont want to watch a free agent NBA system.
Agree with you. Grant appears to be a typical Pike recruit who will probably develop into a starter by his Junior year as he progresses. My guess is we’ll see the shortcomings when we press him into more time too early. The problem with him and others like him is, as we know, the game has changed. It almost makes no sense to recruit them since you can always get equivalent from the portal (most coaches anyway)….and if he’s better than expected, he’s gone to the higher bidder. However, the main problem here is not Grant, but getting weak players out of the portal to support Harper and Ace. None of them are good enough to start on a B1G team (and one of them was named captain…lol). It’s two studs and the island of misfit toys. It’s so glaring, we’re not even talking about not retaining Cliff or getting a big man any longer and the emphasis is on righting the ship and not the preposterous Sweet 16 and above predictions.
I’m with you here (I mean, I will keep watching but I don’t like it.)
I think they will get it fixed FWIW and we will see players getting money but some restrictions back on the transferring
If RU wants to compete in this new NIL hellscape, Rutgers will have to pursue different types of people who want to pay to own the players or be part of the franchise...they are certainly out there. Things will become different, Right now without an AD or President I am very worried about being left behind. College sports is changing rapidly and to not have people in place to articulate our future in it is just another in the decades long list of Rutgers missteps
I dont know those court decisions were basically an athletes wet dream. I would be surprised if any restrictions get placed on them, too far gone
thats true...free throws have been pretty good this year....have to do it more and work on Dylan drawing those fouls...ace too but ace doesnt seem interested in taking contact
Players get beat off the dribble because they are out of position in the first place, and expect someone else to pick up their man. If the players stop freelancing so much and stick with their assignments, and are properly instructed to stay in front of them, you will have many less easy drives to the basket.
I'm trying to be fair.....
In Power 4 games, Zach Martini has played 52 minutes, is 1-4 from the floor (1 of 2 from 3), grabbed 4 rebounds......is 1 of 4 from the FT line....has 7 fouls and 2 Turnovers.
I'm almost certain that if Grant played some minutes other than the last 3 minutes in mop-up time in the OOC slate, that we could experience a better level of play.
Maybe Grant is godawful (i don't think his tape or something indicates that), but on how many other rosters does 52 minutes of play warrant nobody else getting an opportunity to see what be done.
It is an extreme issue with RU fans who somehow cannot adjust or reprogram their minds...
Grant is 0-8 from the floor, with a rebound, an assist and a steal. So, are we saying if he hits 2 of 8 from the floor or 2 of 5 from 3, you are 100% on board with him getting more minutes??
I just want to clearly understand what sample size or common sense of actual watching of the games and not stupid stats play into things.
Let's be clear and on the same page. RU needs players who "make plays"....I am trying to simplify the underlying issue. It is not shooting percentages or other things that could look good on a stat sheet.
I can go back to certain "lucky plays", or "winning plays"..
Jacob Young going to salvage a broken possession at Minnesota, when RU needed a road win to be NCAA tournament eligible....
The play made by Caleb McConnell, after RU was down 5 with a minute left hosting Ohio State, where he tracks down Branham and pins his breakaway layup for a block....
Countless big baskets by Geo Baker, when RU needed points....
Timely rebounds by RHJ in traffic on the offensive glass....
There are kids who have nice stat lines and simply don't make plays or an impact. Right now, the eye-test (to me) says it is MORE likely (not a guarantee) that Dylan Grant and Bryce Dortch will make more plays over 40 minutes than Zach Martini or a lesser extent Ogbole (who is rapidly improving, but not yet a playmaker, who can make crisp passes, get key rebounds/put backs etc).
I know Derkack has had lapses on defense and isn't a pure shooter, but Jordan Derkack makes plays....(not always good ones, but i can live with the effort).
The more playmakers (not shooters) or creative players that can improvise, far outweighs this notion that "the staff has to run this detailed intricate offense" that apparently no other opposing coaches has ever seen in any basketball game ever, and our players magically appear wide open for uncontested 3 point shots 12 times a game......
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