Will NCAA refund my tickets due to the strike? Anyone got any information?
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I more of a cynic like Kyk and think recruits will pick teams based on how many appearances they or their alumni get lined up...we already saw how shoe money influenced player decisions.
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Sadly the college basketball games were discontinued even before the likeness issues. I love college hoops 2k8 but it’s so old.
A separate question, which is applicable to the video game example, should players be paid as NCAA college basketball players and not as individuals selling their own likeness.
No video game should be able to use your likeness without your permission
If they give me a 100 for speed and 100 for power they don’t need to ask
in D1 hoops, the money losers are the 300 or so non power conference teams (other than the random outlier like SDSU or Gonzaga). Power conferences make plenty of money from TV and tickets.
This. College athletics is a multi-billion dollar industry. The idea a multi-billion dollar industry can exist without "professionals" is willful ignorance.
when RU is receiving a full share of Big Ten TV revenue, it is literally impossible to lose that money playing basketball. Nobody in the country even spends that much money on their basketball program.
Also keep in mind when it comes to the costs of athletics, creative accounting gets involved. For example, if tuition at a school is $20K per year it does not cost the university $20K per year for the tuition portion of an athletic scholarship. The marginal cost to the athlete being in a classroom is almost nothing. The class would already exist. The professor is already on payroll. Just because they charge that to someone else does not mean that is what the service costs to provide to an athlete.
It can’t exist with professional athletes, that’s for sure.
You want to follow RU sports is a passion using professional athletes.
That’s your idea of collegiate sports
we will have club sports and varsity. Varsity athletes will get paid and everybody else will be club sports.
If we decided not to pay MLB players or NHL players, but people still pay billions to watch that fact alone simply doesn't and shouldn't make them amateurs. People pay billions of dollars to watch college athletics. Just because we call them amateurs doesn't make the players any less "valuable" than a baseball player or a hockey player.
This is how I feel. Maybe others are OK with people playing college basketball for money.
A kid getting paid or not does not change the entertainment provided by the level of play on the court.
I don't get a warm special feeling when they don't get paid that makes me want to watch it even more.
That's actually incorrect. Networks pay billions to then sell advertising slots to make a profit.
Those watching, outside of streaming services, are paying very little. Conference networks might be the exception.
No one today is arguing for paying college athletes. Although that will likely happen. What people are arguing is a college player should have control over his name, image and likeness. If a University sells a "Brian Leonard" jersey or a "Geo Baker" jersey the athlete should be compensated. If EA sports wants to use the likeness of actual college athletes they need the college athletes permission and likely some method to compensate them. They did not and should not lose those rights by accepting a scholarship. The argument against that is silly.
I paid $480,000 to put 2 of my kids through college, they graduated in 2019. How ignorant can these players be???
Geo Baker is receiving $60,000 annually in perks (room, board, tuition, travel money, athletic trainers, etc.). Comparing college athletes to slaves (#NotNCAAProperty) is both ignorant and insulting - to those who truly suffered in slavery.
Advice for Geo and Harper - be grateful for having the opportunity to play in the NCAA tourney, I know a lot of players who would be grateful for that opportunity.
KARMA!!!
Put another way. Why shouldn't MLB players be forced to accept what the owners/owners of the product are willing to pay them/believe they are worth like was done in 40s, 50s, etc.? Why should MLB players have a right to strike?
College players can strike. Others can take their place. The drop off won't be nearly as bad as it would be for professionals.
The name on the front of the jersey means more than the one on the back in college sports. That's not so in the pros. Hence they have more leverage.
Not my point. Why are MLB, NFL, etc players allowed to strike?
I'll answer for you. As employees they have a right to collectively bargain. That is what will happen to college athletics if the NCAA doesn't get in front of this train. And it is coming. The same way it did 50+ years ago for the players of professional sports. Im sure @zappaa can share stories about professional baseball players who had to work second jobs. Not anymore, right?
You cant keep this system in place in a multi billion dollar industry in the United States. Labor law wont allow it. Athletics and the money in college athletics has simply gotten too large.
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That is being paid.
if there is excess money after supporting a reasonable amount of athletic programs then I might understand and support money being put
a pool for payment of all players after leaving college (annuity payments or lump sum).
It is very difficult watching an athlete complain about not being to monetize his likeness while there is a kid out there (or in my house) who has his sport cut. He (or she) put in the same hours of Geo. He is/was devastated by his sport being cut. Too compete in football there is a lot of money necessary. Facilities are an absolute must and require money. His sport (men and women’s) was a causality
NCAA basketball players are allowed to strike. If Rutgers walks off the court prior to tip off, they aren't going to jail for it. No laws are being broken.
They also have the right to sue. And they are winning the lawsuits. States are passing laws allowing athletes to profit from their NIL (name, image, likeness). There's a college athlete bill of rights in Congress. That's my point. This isn't a moral argument. It's a legal one. And the players are winning. Why not get ahead of it?
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/29/8477...ser-to-getting-paid-after-ncaa-board-oks-plan
https://www.sbnation.com/22196062/college-athletes-bill-of-rights-explained-cory-booker
Great. They can sue. And protest. And strike. As I said. This is America. I do like how it's turned their woke views. These kids are straight up Capitalists. That's a good thing.
Out in front of it? There is no scenario where Rutgers gets out in front of it. USC is my other team. They are the type of school that will be the ultimate winner.
100%. I'm not going to watch Rutgers low level athletes get destroyed by our divisional peers who have bigger boosters who are able to pay the real professionals. Sounds awful.
In a few days the NCAA will no longer own Geo's likeness and name. Once he takes off that Rutgers jersey we'll see how much they are worth.
Unless he becomes a professional crusader for the cause.
Unless he becomes a professional crusader for the cause.
yawn, I cannot think of anything more boring than talking about a Geo tweet on the eve of Rutgers first NCAA game in 30 years.
Isn't this exactly already the situation in CFB and CBB?
I never understand the "if players get paid I'm done! All the name schools will just buy the best players!"
As if this isn't already the case - and everyone is still watching.
May I direct you to the near weekly "recruiting scandal" thread about high-profile programs paying off players.
You might stop watching if they are constantly getting destroyed but that’s not the same as what you were saying at all.
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