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Girl's family sues to let her play with the boys BB team; school expels family

Boys on girls team kinda happened in 1984 at Chatham Twp. H.S. I know this first hand since my brother was class of '84. Two boys went out for the girl's lax team. At the time there was no boy's lax at C.T.H.S.

Background, In 1981 + 1982, a girl was allowed to play on the boy's ice hocky team since there was no girl's ice hockey team. She was in my class ('82). She played backup goalie, and was pretty good. She got into some games, and took her shots. School had no problem with it, nor did any of the students. Can't speak for the hockey team, since I didn't know any of them.

So in 1984, two senior boys went out for the girl's lax team, citing the girl goalie as precedent. As you might guess things were different. Most people went nuts, except the male students who though - what's fair is fair. So after alot of wrangling, the two boy's were allowed on the team. They had to wear skirts at practice like the girls, since that was the uniform. No problem.

When the games started, other schools refused to play us if the boys set foot on the field. I know they sat on the bench for a couple of games, but never got to play. I think they gave up and quit, but not 100% sure.

What I'm waiting for is the first transgender 6' 3" 225 lb. "girl" to go out for the girl's lax team in HS, or better yet in college when scholarship $$$$ are at stake. LBGT vs. feminists; someone will will have to lose. Should be interesting.
 
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Reading through this thread, there are certainly a lot of opinions on both sides of the issue. But most of those opinions are emotionally-based, not necessarily based in law. But it seems that the legal standard is not very cut and clear either. I don't know who will win, but this certainly does not appear to be a frivolous lawsuit.

Yeah, legally, it's certainly a worthwhile case. I'm referring to the motive to actually file the suit. Why spend the money on legal fees, like others have said, they're are plenty of other options where she can play competitively.
 
No daughters of your own I suppose?


that has zero to do with this, legal decisions arent made by that...,plus they used have a team coached by the parent and that dried up....so maybe there is something else to that story.

Girls should be playing with girls team, boys with boys, some schools may allow crossover. This school which is private is well within the right to say no.
 
Maybe we need "loser pays". If you feel you have a legitimate case, sure, go ahead and sue. But you may think twice of filing a doubtful one. Here, the "winnner" of the case probably was saddled with high legal fees, didn't appreciate it, and so told the family who brought the lawsuit to go find another school.
 
No matter what side you're on, this lawsuit might be needed in order to settle the argument about girls playing on boys teams and if a boy wants to play on a girls team because that's the only team in the school has in sport they want to play.

I'm torn about this: one part of me eels boys nd girls sports should be separated, but also feel schools should try to be fair when someone ( boy or girl) wants to compete
and is good enough to make the only team the school fields.
I'm not sure what I would do, but if it was my daughter this happened to and she wanted to fight for a spot and not be forced to leave to find one: I'd probably back her to the hilt after discussing all options with her and judging just how serious she was and what effect the school's decision was having on her.
 
Bunch of Neanderthals on this board. The girl loves basketball and the school doesn't have a team. Just let her try out for the boys team for Christ's sake. What's the hell's the problem? It's freaking basketball.

Expelling both kids from the school is extreme so there may be something more at play here with the parents and school but, if not, this is an unforced error by the diocese and/or school.
Because it's BOYS basketball thats why. Don't be stupid
 
that has zero to do with this, legal decisions arent made by that...,plus they used have a team coached by the parent and that dried up....so maybe there is something else to that story.

Girls should be playing with girls team, boys with boys, some schools may allow crossover. This school which is private is well within the right to say no.

If you think legal decisions have nothing to do with relationships, cultural change, who has daughters etc, we should take a walk through US legal history!
 
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Maybe they are the type of parents the school didn't want to deal with. So they were happy to have and excuse to throw them out. I've seen this before. The parents with the kids that want to challenge everything and draw attention to themselves. It gets old if it's an ongoing thing.

Suing a private school seems like a huge waste of time and money. And you're just going to piss the school off more due to the money spent to fight it. Sometimes you just don't get your way. These parents raising kids to think they are special and they should always get their way are going to regret it later.

One kid I remember went to boyscouts and told them he didn't belive in God. He's a buddhist. Well the kid doesn't know what he is. It's just a way to get attention. He doesn't know anything about Buddhism. They made a big drama out of it. Another kid was in a Presbyterian school and went around telling teachers he was an atheist. The parents thought it was great and egged on these kids.

I can tell you it's very painful to spent time around one of the kids, who's an adult now.
 
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solution is simple....transfer to another school that has a girls team....common sense out the window these days.
And I believe the school would have helped the girl get on another local Catholic school's girls team.
 
I agree on the concept of BOYS basketball but that assumes there is a GIRLS basketball. If you only have one team then the concept of BOYS basketball goes out the window.
No, it's not a concept, it's clear. It doesn't assume anything and nothing "goes out the window".

And once again, in CYO, if your school or parish doesn't have a team, you can play for the next nearest parish that does. She can alwaysplay basketball for other leagues, but if strongly desires to play basketball in the Union County CYO league the opportunity is there. Feel bad for the girl, the parents are idiots.
 
The most interesting thing about this case is that even if the court allows her to play, she won't be able to because she has been kicked out of her school.
 
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she's screwd because the second the legal precedent is set to force boys teams to accept girls, then how can boys be prevented from being on girls teams when an equivalent sport is not offered. That would be cut and dried discrimination. huge can of worms would be opened up.
 
she's screwd because the second the legal precedent is set to force boys teams to accept girls, then how can boys be prevented from being on girls teams when an equivalent sport is not offered. That would be cut and dried discrimination. huge can of worms would be opened up.

If that happened there could be no girls left on a girls team! There is something to be said regarding the legitimacy of the suit, but, another to be said about the father filing it instead of pursuing other options.
 
If that happened there could be no girls left on a girls team! There is something to be said regarding the legitimacy of the suit, but, another to be said about the father filing it instead of pursuing other options.
Exactly.
 
Is that allowed? Thought you have to attend the school to play for that school?

My kids are in their 20s now but I coached the town travel team against Catholic schools. CYO teams' players didn't have to attend the school. In our area, though, less ambitious schools were in the Suburban League where kids did have to attend. I'm guessing it varies by league but it seems to make sense that if your school doesn't have a girls' team yuo could be referred to one nearby. Can't swear to it, though.
 
Girls mother was coach of girls bball team year before. No girls sign up for team following year. Figure it out.
I think this answers a lot of questions in this case. They had a team, then the girl in question mother decides to become coach and the only girls who sign up are her daughters. Sounds to me like this family is the problem, not the school.
 
I have 4 boys, no girls. 3 brothers, no sisters. But I'm somehow ok with her playing, since there's no girls team. One of my boys plays BB. There's a CYO team in So Plainfield with a girl. She's the best player on the court for either team. If my kids gets shown up by a girl, good for her. If he doesn't want it to happen again, then play better.

All 4 of my kids wrestle. There are plenty of girls who wrestle now. Not sure if I'd have my daughter wrestle, if I had one, but some are good. One of my boys lost to a girl two years ago. He wasn't happy. So since then hes been pretty rough with the girls, and he hasn't lost again. Lesson learned.

I'm also a firefighter. 140 men on the job. Two women. They are better than some of the guys. I have no problem working with them. Not every guy on the job is the most physically gifted.

I'm an RN on the side. I've never heard a woman tell me she was upset with me being a nurse.

We've all got something to offer.

There's no girls team. If there was, I would think differently. But there's not. What's the big deal. Let her play.
 
I have 4 boys, no girls. 3 brothers, no sisters. But I'm somehow ok with her playing, since there's no girls team. One of my boys plays BB. There's a CYO team in So Plainfield with a girl. She's the best player on the court for either team. If my kids gets shown up by a girl, good for her. If he doesn't want it to happen again, then play better.

All 4 of my kids wrestle. There are plenty of girls who wrestle now. Not sure if I'd have my daughter wrestle, if I had one, but some are good. One of my boys lost to a girl two years ago. He wasn't happy. So since then hes been pretty rough with the girls, and he hasn't lost again. Lesson learned.

I'm also a firefighter. 140 men on the job. Two women. They are better than some of the guys. I have no problem working with them. Not every guy on the job is the most physically gifted.

I'm an RN on the side. I've never heard a woman tell me she was upset with me being a nurse.

We've all got something to offer.

There's no girls team. If there was, I would think differently. But there's not. What's the big deal. Let her play.
If it's just a CYO sponsored team I don't see the big deal either way...

If there is another CYO/parish close by you go there

or

since it's just CYO and there is no girls team she plays where she is now.

Regular school team IMO is a little different. If that were the case I stand by what I said earlier and say wait until HS.
 
This is typical for catholic school. Sunday collections to legal defence fund. They had an opportunity for a feel good story but it made too much sense. I get the other school option but who is providing the transportation from her school to the other school.
 
Capital c and s instead of c.

I see where you're coming from now.
 
Hmm.. interesting... I'm gonna go with.. how good is she? If a possible college schollie is in the works.. yeah, sucks to be her... and there may be more to this case. But if it just about playing ball in HS... transfer.. attend public school... or play pick-up ball and have more fun.
 
I don't know, but maybe the school just didn't want her playing with big balls?
 
Basketball isn't a right, and no one has a right for it to be provided to him or her. Bludgeoning organizations into giving us what we want in the moment is a horrible practice and example. The NY Post weighed in this afternoon and captured many of my sentiments.

Explore other options
 
Was it on page 6? What was the funny headline for the story? Maybe you can also site some facts from buzzfeed too.
 
Ridiculous situation and glad the school threw the family out. Catholic schools operate on shoe strings and a complete waste of limited financial resources defending a lawsuit that should never have been filed....
 
My eight year old grandson has girls on his
football, basketball, baseball and wrestling teams, it is a
sad thing to watch. If a coach has no sons, they
put their girls on boys teams, and try to live their
lives thru them.
 
Ridiculous situation and glad the school threw the family out. Catholic schools operate on shoe strings and a complete waste of limited financial resources defending a lawsuit that should never have been filed....

It's the school that wants to spend their limited budget on this. They could've said yes and this would be non-story. School wants to prove a point and stand on principal.
 
It's the school that wants to spend their limited budget on this. They could've said yes and this would be non-story. School wants to prove a point and stand on principal.

And they said no which was their right to do. You go to a private school by choice. No one forces you to spend money to go to Catholic school. If you don't like their rules, change schools. I'm sure many on this thread are confused about what part of this you don't you understand?

If you read the SI article in the OP it states that in High School if there is no girls team in a sport but there is a boys team, girls can participate in that sport. No such rule exists for middle school.
 
I agree with those who say let her play with the boys if she is good enough. I have evidence that it works.

My son plays on the 8th grade basketball team at his school and the star of the team, and one of the 3 best players in the entire league, and surely the most skilled, is a girl. Remember the name - Azzi Fudd. A 5'10" combo guard. She doesn't play on the girl's team because she would literally average 60-70 points a game (she is averaging around 20 I think for the boys team) and no one thinks that is good for anyone. She has a Curry-esque touch but plays with the toughness of Charles Oakley and the resolve of Michael Jordan. And she is about the nicest, poIitest, humblest kid. I would imagine watching her is like what it was like to watch Maya Moore in 8th grade.

She plays for The Potomac School, a private school in Mclean, VA. She made the team on the merits and I haven't heard a single boy or parent from her team or any opponent's team complain. She will be playing for UCONN or someone similar in a few years. If you live in the DC area, give yourself a treat and come watch her play. She could start for many boys HS varsity teams right now.

Again, she was good enough and no one is complaining. The same should apply in the case of the situation that is the subject of this thread.
 
Please. Girls have no business playing on the boys team likewise boys have no business playing on the girls team. Has a boy even been given permission to play on the girls field hockey team ?
Actually a boy was allowed to play on the girl's field hockey team on Long Island. I think he was eventually asked to leave for being too good though.
 
And they said no which was their right to do. You go to a private school by choice. No one forces you to spend money to go to Catholic school. If you don't like their rules, change schools. I'm sure many on this thread are confused about what part of this you don't you understand?

If you read the SI article in the OP it states that in High School if there is no girls team in a sport but there is a boys team, girls can participate in that sport. No such rule exists for middle school.
I guess we'll find out if it's their right. A judge will decide that. Just because it's private school, it doesn't mean they get to make up their own rules. If you tell me she is not good enough to make the team or that player safety is an issue, then I would agree that she shouldn't be allow to play. That's using common sense. My problem is that the only reason they are not letting her play is because she is a girl. My last 2 cents here but will follow the story.
 
I agree with those who say let her play with the boys if she is good enough. I have evidence that it works.

My son plays on the 8th grade basketball team at his school and the star of the team, and one of the 3 best players in the entire league, and surely the most skilled, is a girl. Remember the name - Azzi Fudd. A 5'10" combo guard. She doesn't play on the girl's team because she would literally average 60-70 points a game (she is averaging around 20 I think for the boys team) and no one thinks that is good for anyone. She has a Curry-esque touch but plays with the toughness of Charles Oakley and the resolve of Michael Jordan. And she is about the nicest, poIitest, humblest kid. I would imagine watching her is like what it was like to watch Maya Moore in 8th grade.

She plays for The Potomac School, a private school in Mclean, VA. She made the team on the merits and I haven't heard a single boy or parent from her team or any opponent's team complain. She will be playing for UCONN or someone similar in a few years. If you live in the DC area, give yourself a treat and come watch her play. She could start for many boys HS varsity teams right now.

Again, she was good enough and no one is complaining. The same should apply in the case of the situation that is the subject of this
I guess we'll find out if it's their right. A judge will decide that. Just because it's private school, it doesn't mean they get to make up their own rules. If you tell me she is not good enough to make the team or that player safety is an issue, then I would agree that she shouldn't be allow to play. That's using common sense. My problem is that the only reason they are not letting her play is because she is a girl. My last 2 cents here but will follow the story.


Fair points on both sides
 
Judge lets girl return to Catholic school: A judge has ruled that a New Jersey girl expelled from her Roman Catholic school after her family sued because it wouldn’t let her play boys basketball must be allowed to return to school. Appeals court Judge Amy O’Connor ruled Friday that 12-year-old Sydney Phillips and her younger sister have to be allowed back to St. Theresa’s School in Kenilworth until a court hearing. The family went to court after the Archdiocese of Newark informed the family Wednesday of the expulsion. The archdiocese says the parent and student handbook says parents will be requested to remove their children if they file lawsuits against the school. A different judge last month denied the family’s attempt to allow Phillips to play on the boys team after the girls team was canceled.
 
solution is simple....transfer to another school that has a girls team....common sense out the window these days.

In Monmouth County, Henry Hudson HS in Highlands has no FB team. Boys from HH who want to play FB play for Keyport HS. This has been going on for a very long time when a school doesn't have a team in a certain sport. The girl could have played for another school's team while still attending her present hs.

But her parents probably effed that up when they hassled the school.
 
In Monmouth County, Henry Hudson HS in Highlands has no FB team. Boys from HH who want to play FB play for Keyport HS. This has been going on for a very long time when a school doesn't have a team in a certain sport. The girl could have played for another school's team while still attending her present hs.

*But her parents probably effed that up when they hassled the school.
Manasquan/Point Beach do this in swimming and ice hockey. Holmdel/Marlboro do it for ice hockey as do St. Rose/Monsignor Donovan.

But it's always public/public and private/private. Can't mix. Maybe there is no coop agreement (as these things are called) in place at the elementary level in Union County. Or there wasn't another Catholic school close enough or one willing to do it (for reasons mentioned already in this thread - which are probably the real reasons why there is no girls team at the school in the first place).

They do have this for all the elementary schools in the Manasquan sending district who have girls who want to play field hockey. Only Manasquan elementary offers it so they extended the invitation to those girls who go to Avon, Belmar, Spring Lake, Spring Lake Heights, Sea Girt and Brielle.

* Says in the student/family handbook (that everybody gets) the school reserves the right to remove/separate you if you bring suit against it. Nobody reads the fine print anymore.
 
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