Glasgow

[IsItLuck]

Anyone else think we should shut him down and accept the forfeit for the time being?


The kid is hurt and clearly can't compete that well. His athleticism helps him not get pinned or teched, but today was simply awful to watch. After that first takedown, you knew the match was over.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Wait do we not have a backup in his weight class?

 

[IsItLuck]

Wait do we not have a backup in his weight class?

Our back-up is suspended until the investigation is over.

https://www.mycentraljersey.com/sto...k-aggravated-assault-brett-donner/1294809002/

 

[RutgersAlum]

Wait do we not have a backup in his weight class?

Olivieri weighed in at 165 - why not send him out there.We are worried about the pin meanwhile Glasgow will continue to get hurt.I say shut him down and do not risk any more damage to his health.Coaches have to do a better job in making the right decisions.Give Glasgow some time to heal up and he will pay dividends later.I still believe in Glasgow's talent which is more than good enough to be multi All American.

 

[rubigtimenow]

For me, it's anguishing to watch his matches as clearly he is injured and I'm concerned about him getting hurt further.

 

[koleszar]

Kid's got a bullseye on the right knee for the rest of the year if he continues to wrestle. It was shown today it can't take the pounding so this one should be over for the year or at least till it's sound.

 

[wngarbarini]

For all you folks concerned about Glasgow he is medically cleared to wrestle and WANTED to wrestle that kid today. That was his choice and not the coaches.

 

[TRU2RU]

For all you folks concerned about Glasgow he is medically cleared to wrestle and WANTED to wrestle that kid today. That was his choice and not the coaches.

Thanks Bill...too many keyboard coaches around here

 

[RutgersAlum]

For all you folks concerned about Glasgow he is medically cleared to wrestle and WANTED to wrestle that kid today. That was his choice and not the coaches.

So don't you think it is up to the coaches to make a better decision for the wrestler? We should have learned from the Rider match but the same mistake was made again.
Does medically cleared mean you are healthy to wrestle?
Did he look like he was ready to wrestle with that knee?
During practice did Glasgow wrestle 7 minutes with someone taking shots at the knee to make sure he is ready?

Let's stop making excuses here- we need to do a better job distinguishing between a healthy wrestler and protecting the kid from himself.This was a bad decision all around period for Glasgow wrestling.
Shut him down so he can recover.He cannot beat anyone right now and will loose every single match moving forward.

 

[rubigtimenow]

For all you folks concerned about Glasgow he is medically cleared to wrestle and WANTED to wrestle that kid today. That was his choice and not the coaches.

Wanted to wrestle means almost nothing as of course he wants to wrestle! He showed lots of guts to finish the Rider match. I'm now a big fan! However, at this point anybody can see he cant defend that leg.
No idea how he actually is medically cleared but once that knee is grabbed he's in obvious pain and can't defend it.

 

[wngarbarini]

Yes medically cleared means healthy to wrestle!

 

[Leonard23]

For all you folks concerned about Glasgow he is medically cleared to wrestle and WANTED to wrestle that kid today. That was his choice and not the coaches.

Yes medically cleared means healthy to wrestle!

He's showed a ton of heart and perseverance wrestling these past matches on one leg, but the coaches have to shut him down. It's clear that medically cleared means little when he can't do anything with his right leg except stand, and grimaces and dives forward or falls down when someone is in on the leg. He can't even move on bottom when someone hooks or is on the leg and same for neutral when someone is on the leg.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

For all you folks concerned about Glasgow he is medically cleared to wrestle and WANTED to wrestle that kid today. That was his choice and not the coaches.

Sorry but it doesn’t take an expert to see he wasn’t 100% out there today. Granted, it may be mental at this point, which is completely understandable, but nonetheless.

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

Maybe a different take on Glasgow. Part of D-1 wrestling is learning how to wrestle hurt(different than injured). I would guess 80-90% of the wrestlers are hurt during part or a majority of the season. I would find it hard to believe the medical staff, trainers and coaches would put Glasgow on the mat if he could do further damage to his knee. He is one of the building blocks moving forward. Maybe they are trying to get him over a mental hurdle……Some young wrestlers at D-1 are not used to getting beat, so it is “I was sick”, “ I was dinged up”

Hey I could be way off, but like I said, just don’t think they are putting him on the mat if he could risk greater injury.

 

[jerzey devil]

Maybe a different take on Glasgow. Part of D-1 wrestling is learning how to wrestle hurt(different than injured). I would guess 80-90% of the wrestlers are hurt during part or a majority of the season. I would find it hard to believe the medical staff, trainers and coaches would put Glasgow on the mat if he could do further damage to his knee. He is one of the building blocks moving forward. Maybe they are trying to get him over a mental hurdle……Some young wrestlers at D-1 are not used to getting beat, so it is “I was sick”, “ I was dinged up”

Hey I could be way off, but like I said, just don’t think they are putting him on the mat if he could risk greater injury.

Agree +1000

 

[koleszar]

Maybe a different take on Glasgow. Part of D-1 wrestling is learning how to wrestle hurt(different than injured). I would guess 80-90% of the wrestlers are hurt during part or a majority of the season. I would find it hard to believe the medical staff, trainers and coaches would put Glasgow on the mat if he could do further damage to his knee. He is one of the building blocks moving forward. Maybe they are trying to get him over a mental hurdle……Some young wrestlers at D-1 are not used to getting beat, so it is “I was sick”, “ I was dinged up”

Hey I could be way off, but like I said, just don’t think they are putting him on the mat if he could risk greater injury.

I don't think they're sending him out there knowing there's a potential for further damage, but whatever the hell they're trying to do, it sure as sh*t ain't working. Because right now he can't even defend the leg. I guess we're trying the Top Gun method of "keep sending him up".

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

I don't think they're sending him out there knowing there's a potential for further damage, but whatever the hell they're trying to do, it sure as sh*t ain't working. Because right now he can't even defend the leg. I guess we're trying the Top Gun method of "keep sending him up".

Yea, it is not pretty to watch. Not sure what the answer is.

 

[dollarbill]

Yea, it is not pretty to watch. Not sure what the answer is.

He's a college wrestler who's obviously not ready to compete at this moment and he's also up a weight class. He's not an NFL prospect waiting for a potential payday. He should have redshirted. Is Benner healthy? If so, move JVB up to 165 and send Benner out there at 157 and live with the results for now. $$$$

 

[elvis7]

He's a college wrestler who's obviously not ready to compete at this moment and he's also up a weight class. He's not an NFL prospect waiting for a potential payday. He should have redshirted. Is Benner healthy? If so, move JVB up to 165 and send Benner out there at 157 and live with the results for now. $$$$

Unfortunately we have a depth issue. Benner will get crushed at 157, and JVB will get out muscled at 165. IMO

 

[RutgersAlum]

Maybe a different take on Glasgow. Part of D-1 wrestling is learning how to wrestle hurt(different than injured). I would guess 80-90% of the wrestlers are hurt during part or a majority of the season. I would find it hard to believe the medical staff, trainers and coaches would put Glasgow on the mat if he could do further damage to his knee. He is one of the building blocks moving forward. Maybe they are trying to get him over a mental hurdle……Some young wrestlers at D-1 are not used to getting beat, so it is “I was sick”, “ I was dinged up”

Hey I could be way off, but like I said, just don’t think they are putting him on the mat if he could risk greater injury.

In previous post it was said Glasgow had surgery right after the Rider match.Goody said he had work done.Except you have a great "threshold for pain" I do not see how Glasgow could have wrestled with the knee.As I mention in my previous post- Did he practice for 7 minutes with a teammate taking shots at the knee with no issues? More than likely not.
So it actually breaks his confidence not build him up.Bottom line we have no other options I guess.Handling getting beat is not the issue. He could not compete on a defenseless knee.If he is one of our future building blocks then the coaching staff needs to do a better job in protecting Glasgow.

I think Glasgow's year is over- rest the knee and work hard during the offseason coming back strong next year.The kid is a warrior and he will hopefully use these experiences as a learning tool.

 

[dollarbill]

Unfortunately we have a depth issue. Benner will get crushed at 157, and JVB will get out muscled at 165. IMO

First of all, I have no idea what the NCAA implications are to JVB if he wrestles some matches at 165, but he has his own style, which seems to work or not work, and I think he would hold his own at 165. As for Benner, someone is going to start at 149 next year, and I would think he would be willing to go out there and give it a go, and maybe save some team points, or even pull off an upset while gaining experience. $$$$

 

[32prosper]

He definitely doesn’t look healthy. In my opinion he should be shut down. It’s tough to watch. The big ten schedule isn’t going to get any easier.

 

[Harleyr1]

First of all, I have no idea what the NCAA implications are to JVB if he wrestles some matches at 165, but he has his own style, which seems to work or not work, and I think he would hold his own at 165. As for Benner, someone is going to start at 149 next year, and I would think he would be willing to go out there and give it a go, and maybe save some team points, or even pull off an upset while gaining experience. $$$$

MVB should go 149 next year ..sucking all that weight has adversely affected him this year ..still might be in mix this year with Lipari not showing much yesterday

 

[RutgersAlum]

MVB should go 149 next year ..sucking all that weight has adversely affected him this year ..still might be in mix this year with Lipari not showing much yesterday.

I am sure he will be competing at the 149 spot.We should have more depth next year spreading out the weights

 

[IroniaHorse]

Maybe a different take on Glasgow. Part of D-1 wrestling is learning how to wrestle hurt(different than injured). I would guess 80-90% of the wrestlers are hurt during part or a majority of the season. I would find it hard to believe the medical staff, trainers and coaches would put Glasgow on the mat if he could do further damage to his knee. He is one of the building blocks moving forward. Maybe they are trying to get him over a mental hurdle……Some young wrestlers at D-1 are not used to getting beat, so it is “I was sick”, “ I was dinged up”

Hey I could be way off, but like I said, just don’t think they are putting him on the mat if he could risk greater injury.

Do some of these posters think they know more then the Coaches? I guess they do...maybe he's just not as good as was thought?

 

[RutgersAlum]

Do some of these posters think they know more then the Coaches? I guess they do...maybe he's just not as good as was thought?

I guess so - maybe he is a burst but till we see a healthy Glasgow wrestling.Then we can make a better assessment.If you can wrestle with surgery after two weeks great.It is obvious that he is hurt and I am not sure what matches you have been watching.Which means you cannot tell the difference between an injured & healthy wrestler.

 

[wngarbarini]

He is NOT hurt. He is fine and stated as much before and after wrestling. Structurally he is fine. Some people handle pain and discomfort differently both physically and MENTALLY.

 

[Harleyr1]

He is NOT hurt. He is fine and stated as much before and after wrestling. Structurally he is fine. Some people handle pain and discomfort differently both physically and MENTALLY.

I said before the weekend that he would not go and after what I saw at the the Rider match I fully expected that we would not see him ...he surprised me but I still feel he won’t finish the year ..I maybe be wrong but that what i feel ..WNG might have hit the spot ...he is physically healthy ....how he handles discomfort mentally is a different story ....and I mean any kind of discomfort that Division 1 wrestling sends his way ....I won’t elaborate on it at the risk of some taking it the wrong way and in no way is it a knock on the kid ..let’s see how the rest of season goes

 

[koleszar]

He is NOT hurt. He is fine and stated as much before and after wrestling. Structurally he is fine. Some people handle pain and discomfort differently both physically and MENTALLY.

Better get Tony Robbins on the phone ASAP. Because if that's the case everyone has the tape now and is just going to attack the right leg. If he doesn't get over this hurdle it'll be just another recruiting miss.

 

[Harleyr1]

He's a college wrestler who's obviously not ready to compete at this moment and he's also up a weight class. He's not an NFL prospect waiting for a potential payday. He should have redshirted. Is Benner healthy? If so, move JVB up to 165 and send Benner out there at 157 and live with the results for now. $$$$

Yea let’s move everyone up ..let MVB go up to his natural weight at 149 ..AA certainly can hold his own at 157 and as more then one guy has said have JVB go up to 165 ...therefore you have three weights with some experience at least instead of throwing Benner to the wolves ...I’m being facetious for sure but I prefer that scenario then yours ..to at least win a few duals ....just spitballing here since you guys are all about winning a few duals and constantly wanting JVB be the sacrificial lamb and go up where he really shouldn’t be ....our depth is the problem not the starters we currently have

 

[R U Crazy]

RU Coaches set the precedent last year.
The stronger wrestler gets to pick his weight (See R. Lewis)

I have heard for years on this forum that the dual season means nothing.
It is all about All Americans and the NCAA's
The first time RU has a stronger Tourney team than Dual team, the forums start to shift (a tad) to placing more emphasis on a dual team?

Wining Duals won't bring us better wrestlers.
Winning NCAA Championships and All Americans will.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Yea let’s move everyone up ..let MVB go up to his natural weight at 149 ..AA certainly can hold his own at 157 and as more then one guy has said have JVB go up to 165 ...therefore you have three weights with some experience at least instead of throwing Benner to the wolves ...I’m being facetious for sure but I prefer that scenario then yours ..to at least win a few duals ....just spitballing here since you guys are all about winning a few duals and constantly wanting JVB be the sacrificial lamb and go up where he really shouldn’t be ....our depth is the problem not the starters we currently have

I don't think anyone wants JVB to be the sacrificial lamb. People talk about moving JVB up because he has been up before, because fans want wins, and because the fan favorite conversation in all of wrestling is weight changes.

All I want is for JVB to wrestle better.

 

[Bms22]

I don't think anyone wants JVB to be the sacrificial lamb. People talk about moving JVB up because he has been up before, because fans want wins, and because the fan favorite conversation in all of wrestling is weight changes.

All I want is for JVB to wrestle better.

Either side of the coin you can't win. Fans want NC's and dual wins. If we underperform during dual season we need to scrap everything and make weight changes that make zero sense. Leave JVB at his natural weight and as Bill stated Glasgow has to figure it out. Maybe gutting through this and figuring out how to be a D1 wrestler then coming out on the other side will help him-who knows. What scenario would you rather have? Qualify as many guys at NCAA's as possible (moving guys to different weights and hope for the best) or finish higher (leave guys at their natural weights and hope they rise to the occasion)?

 

[RutgersAlum]

I said before the weekend that he would not go and after what I saw at the the Rider match I fully expected that we would not see him ...he surprised me but I still feel he won’t finish the year ..I maybe be wrong but that what i feel ..WNG might have hit the spot ...he is physically healthy ....how he handles discomfort mentally is a different story ....and I mean any kind of discomfort that Division 1 wrestling sends his way ....I won’t elaborate on it at the risk of some taking it the wrong way and in no way is it a knock on the kid ..let’s see how the rest of season goes

So let's just say it then - He is not MENTALLY tough and should have been able to handle this well and win matches.He just cannot handle the pain and maybe recruit wrestlers that can handle wrestling through injury & discomfort with a tougher mindset.

In my opinion Glasgow's season is over and will not make it through.I know it is his first year back with high expectations.Maybe start to recruit another wrestler at the weight if there is the belief he can't handle discomfort mentally.

 

[wngarbarini]

Look the knee will get better as the season progresses. Problem was fixed. Now the rehab has started and there is always fear when the rehab pain and discomfort hit. Don’t call Glasgow a wimp. He is a good, young kid coping with all the things I mentioned being asked to compete at a tough weight not at his ultimate best. I am laughing about the clamor for dual wins now when Goody was vilified for winning Duals but no AAs. Now we have 2 NC challengers and the cry comes for dual wins. We have some holes in our dual lineup that make winning questionable.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Many of these posts make no sense to me. I am not sure why people are acting like there is this a clear dividing line between what it means to be injured and what it means to be hurt/in pain.

I would assume if they are letting him wrestle, it means they believe he cannot do further damage to the knee by wrestling. I don't think it means anything more than that. That certainly does not mean he is 100% and isn't still limited in mobility and strength. So I am not sure you can say, well, he is wrestling, so its automatically a toughness issue.

 

[west2east]

So people at home that are getting up from the computer chair saying man my back hurts are questioning the toughness of a 19 year old D1 wrestler makes total sense to me.

 

[KidDagger]

The kid is medically cleared to wrestle, which means ,he’s healthy enough to... on top of that Glasgow WANTS to go out there.... I’m not sitting him under these conditions....the simple truth is many ppl thought ,including myself, he could come from HS into college and compete right away(like his Hs teammate M. Lewis). But he probably needed the RS.. the talent is there.. just he isn’t at the lvl everyone thought he would b rn.. sucks to type this..

 

[AreYouNUTS]

He is NOT hurt. He is fine and stated as much before and after wrestling. Structurally he is fine. Some people handle pain and discomfort differently both physically and MENTALLY.

This!!

 

[AreYouNUTS]

So people at home that are getting up from the computer chair saying man my back hurts are questioning the toughness of a 19 year old D1 wrestler makes total sense to me.

I don’t think that’s the case at all. At least not my comments. I think that quite naturally, especially at 18 years old, coming off an injury, could be mentally tough for a kid without question. Regardless of the sport.