Grant and Lambert - Out for the Season
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What the hell are you talking about? Grant is pound for pound the strongest guy on the team.
My hats off to Grant and Lambert. Both great players and guys who were captain material on each side of the ball. My prayers for great outcomes for both these guys.
This is the sort of thing a team that is young, growing as players and eager to prove their worth will rally from. It's a big test for the coaches to keep these guys on their upward trajectory. These unfortunate injuries means a few guys will be given opportunities and will be relied on to step up and be winners. I expect those guys welcome the challenge and will raise their level of play. In the long term view, the experience gained by other players as a result of this will help the team in future seasons.
Time to double down on our support for this team!
This is the sort of thing a team that is young, growing as players and eager to prove their worth will rally from. It's a big test for the coaches to keep these guys on their upward trajectory. These unfortunate injuries means a few guys will be given opportunities and will be relied on to step up and be winners. I expect those guys welcome the challenge and will raise their level of play. In the long term view, the experience gained by other players as a result of this will help the team in future seasons.
Time to double down on our support for this team!
I saw the play. It was another demolishing tackle by the 260lb. kicker. It was close to a clothesline but no penalty was called. The kicker barely made it to the sideline but the returner was laid out.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...cker-demolishes-michigan-kick-returner-092416
This was my initial reaction. And this is my reaction after I've calmed down a bit, and have some time to think about the situation.
Ok - but pound for pound Grant still has long skinny legs. Darren McFadden was strong too but always hurt because of his skinny legs. Smarter teams passed on him.
RU coaches know Grant's build was a problem too:
"Grant’s small frame means that the Scarlet Knights will have to monitor his snaps now that he will have an even bigger role in the passing game.
"We have to do a good job as a staff with someone his size," Williams said.
Grant understands that, but the competitor in him also wants to be on the field as much as possible."
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/c...ball/money-man-for-rutgers-1.1651335?page=all
On a team with more depth Grant would have been used more sparingly - mostly for returns I imagine. He's a twig out on the turf.
Why is that? Do you think he's done enough to get drafted? I feel like he's still got to prove that he's a polished pass catcher who could run routes. As explosive and incredible as he has been for us, "all purpose spark plug" is not an NFL position. And now that the kickoff rules changed, he loses the Devin Hester 2.0 appeal.
If he's smart, he'll come back next year when we actually have a QB who could hit him in stride
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He is eligible because the NCAA rounds up. The only question is if he will want to come back for a fifth year. That will probably depend on if he is able to work out for teams prior to the draft and personal financial situation.
If a wife says you're right about something, then, statistically speaking, there's about a hundred percent chance she wants something from you. You still might be right though. :D
If 30% of a season is a fraction, the fraction is rounded up to the next whole number. In football, the 30% mark would be about 5:00 into the 3rd quarter of the 4th game, which means that would get rounded up to 4 games.
With that said, I doubt Grant would want it. He is a dynamic returner who will have a chance to stick with an NFL club next season.
Only if he can workout and prove the injury hasn't hurt his speed or quickness at the combine or in private workouts. If he can't do that he would have a hard time getting anything but a minimal free agent offer.
Sorry if already mentioned, but my take at the swing at the head was an attempt by the tackler to strip the ball. Grant had the ball in his left hand, the tackler was on Grant's right. The tackler tried to come across Grant's body and get at the ball. In the process he struck Grant in the head.
Why are so many guys arguing this point. Let's just let it play out and see if Grant can get a waiver. Give it a rest already.
It's tough to decide. I feel like you typically know what you're getting with the skill position guys by their 4th year. At this point, I feel like no matter when Grant leaves he will be a day 3 draft pick or UDFA. Thus, he is going to have to play his way onto a roster as a special team dynamo or receiver. Who knows though, maybe he does need a year to show out as a #1 receiver or maybe he will not be healthy by pro day.
Nobody is arguing. The rule seems pretty clear. If he wants a waiver and play another year, he should be able to get it.
Unless he decides to go to the NFL, or graduate transfer somewhere else. :eek:
Even if Jamarion Grant had tree trunks for legs having a 215 lb man place all his weight on an ankle is a bad thing ( if you look closely at the video ) ...Grant's ankle was already turned inward and down which would cause a significant injury...the sad part is that he never redshirted ...this is why all layers should be guaranteed 5 years and damn the 30% rule...without a doubt a major loss but life goes on.
I agree, but the combine is 7 months away. It is rare than an ankle wouldn't be healed in that time.
1)Grant's leg's are not that skinny, and certainly not long.
2)Grant's small in a short way, not a skinny way. I mean, he's not Ray Rice short and stocky, but he's not Oden skinny.
3)Grant really wasn't used that much, most of his touches were returns.
This is wrong by the way. #1 McFadden got hurt a lot because of his running style for his position. He ran upright and took big strides which increased the likelihood of people rolling onto his legs while he tried to rumble past the line. The same reason why Paul James was always hurt.
#2, Grant's size is definitely not a "problem" on football standards. He's built like any NFL CB... youre making it seem like he's severely undersized and has legs like Mickey Mouse or something. And his legs aren't long either, Iunno where your getting that. hes pretty proportional.
There are tons of thicker built guys who can't stay away from leg injuries, and there are hundreds of guys Grant's size who have no problems staying on the field. Overall its kinds silly to blame what happened on his stature. It was a freak injury and he got pulled down awkwardly. Its football... people get hurt.
Once you enter a game, even if for a single play, that counts as a "full game." See shift for the explanation of the "rounding up" part.
Just adding this quote in (nj.com article) from an ncaa comm. rep when talking about timing of play in-season as it regards to med redshirt to further the convo about the percentages...
"The NCAA national office only reviews cases that go to appeal after being denied by the confererence," Christopher Radford, an NCAA communications official, said.
As for the thinking that Grant played in seven halves out of 24 for the season (which is falls under the 30-percent threshold at 29.2 percent), Radford said in an email: "The rule is strictly a game rule (not broken down by quarters, minutes played, etc.)."
"The NCAA national office only reviews cases that go to appeal after being denied by the confererence," Christopher Radford, an NCAA communications official, said.
As for the thinking that Grant played in seven halves out of 24 for the season (which is falls under the 30-percent threshold at 29.2 percent), Radford said in an email: "The rule is strictly a game rule (not broken down by quarters, minutes played, etc.)."
No - his RU coaches said his size his a concern and his carries have to be regulated.
You can say Grant isn't slight of build but his coaches do and anyone can see he's a toothpick. Grants legs aren't that long but his muscles are. He doesn't have Ray Rice type bulging type calves but narrow violin string calves.
Huh? Ray Rice is an NFL pro bowl running back. The fact that you are even using him is your comparison is ridiculous. Obviously Grant is not built to take 30 carries a game and coaches said he would need his carries regulated.... because hes not a running back! lol. Its that simple. He's built more like a CB or slot WR than a bruising halfback . But to imply that his size makes him bound for injury or to outright say he's a toothpick is a stretch. His build is fine for what we were asking him to do. The injury is just unfortunate.
You're struggling to just take what coaches said. They didn't say Grant's carries had to be watched because he was a WR but because he's small
"Grant’s SMALL frame means that the Scarlet Knights will have to monitor his snaps now that he will have an even bigger role in the passing game.
"We have to do a good job as a staff with SOMEONE HIS SIZE," Williams said.
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/c...ball/money-man-for-rutgers-1.1651335?page=all
"Williams" is WR coach Jafar Williams.
He knows Grant is small and so does anyone else with eyes
I get it. But the GAME requirement is also rounded up to the next whole digit. In Division I football, the medical redshirt is 3 games or 30% of the season, whichever is greater. In Division II it is 3 games or 20% of the season, whichever is greater. If the percentage of games result in a fraction, the number is ROUNDED UP, not truncated. 30% of 12 games is 3.6 games, which is rounded up to 4.
Anyone would have been out if they were stepped/run on on the ankle by a 190/200 lb football player
Still a 1000 times better than returning to play for Rutgers. Not worth the risk.
I am a little confused about the threads citing Grant's spindly legs. As I looked at the way the injury occurred it seems to me being stepped on from behind directly on his ankle would have injured anyone's ankle. Please explain what his legs had to do with that injury? Understand I am not being argumentative, I am really curious about the connection.
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