GREAT SIGN: Faculty Union is not calling for Flood's outster

[MikeRU1766]

Here is an article from the Asbury Park Press and it is saying that the faculty union is not looking for Flood to be ousted from his position as head coach!

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...rs-faculty-unconcerned-flood-ouster/71277250/

I wonder is that news site that shall not be named and that writer Keith Sumthin-or-other has reported on this fact? I wouldn't know as I have taken the pledge to not look at NJ.com, but I am pretty confident that they wouldn't report on this as it does not fit the "image" or "message" they are trying to portray which is that this is a huge scandal and that Flood's job is in great peril and blah blah blah, click bait, click bait, click bait.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Eh.. This is just more nonsense. It would be a total joke if the faculty called for a coach to be fired over a very minor rules infraction. I don't really take it as great news.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

He was never getting fired. What will come out of this will a new set of rules that everyone has to follow from now on. The end.

 

[RC1978]

Sorry Mike, what would be great news is one of the beat writers to write a story how a disgruntled employee who did not get a job they wanted "leaked" this trivial information. By doing this a Union head who only wants to bitch about athletics with an ax to grind goes running to the press. Then should follow it up with how certain sites and reporters eager to get clicks and downgrade our Coach and school went with a negative slant instead of seeing what it was, an issue so minor that most if not all other schools in the nation would have laughed it off.

I am waiting for that story.

 

[Upstream]

He was never getting fired. What will come out of this will a new set of rules that everyone has to follow from now on. The end.

There won't even be a new set of rules. This is "slap on the wrist and here is some training" territory.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

There won't even be a new set of rules. This is "slap on the wrist and here is some training" territory.

You might be correct, I should have wrote worst case we get new rules and that's it. The Union just wants him to restate the rules and that's it.

 

[srru86]

This is an opportunity for the union prez to make some noise that sounds supportive of adjuncts. The real scandal is that the group on campus that looks down their nose at adjunct instructors nearly as much as administration is the tenured faculty. The class/status divide is really something and it is not caused by Barchi.

Also the union doesn't want to see a precedent that all rules should be enforced precisely and aggressively. Wouldn't work out for them if that standard was applied to some of their members.

 

[DHajekRC84]

You might be correct, I should have wrote worst case we get new rules and that's it. The Union just wants him to restate the rules and that's it.

if it turns out completely legit for Flood..as to the content...the new set of rules should be how Rutgers handles Athletics and Academics. Sure, let's blow up a process that leads to real STUDENT-Athletes who go to class and graduate at the highest levels in D1 sports. Led by a highly ethical head coach who actually values education and gives a damn to get personally involved.

What we have works. Just keep it transparent.

 

[RUich]

Rutgers is an established top institution that not only makes sure its athletes go to REAL classes, but they excel and GRADUATE. The honors the school is used to getting for this is well known.
The fact that the sports programs have more than just a passing interest that their players do what is expected of them in class should be a given. I f Flood made a mistake, do what is necessary without jumping off a friggen cliff. Can you imagine how stupid this looks to the UNC fan base for starters?
Maybe the stuffed shirts in the RU administration should be a bit more thankful for the athletic program getting them in the most influential conference with all that comes to them now academically.

 

[derleider]

Rutgers is an established top institution that not only makes sure its athletes go to REAL classes, but they excel and GRADUATE. The honors the school is used to getting for this is well known.
The fact that the sports programs have more than just a passing interest that their players do what is expected of them in class should be a given. I f Flood made a mistake, do what is necessary without jumping off a friggen cliff. Can you imagine how stupid this looks to the UNC fan base for starters?
Maybe the stuffed shirts in the RU administration should be a bit more thankful for the athletic program getting them in the most influential conference with all that comes to them now academically.

Im guessing the RU admins arent driving this. Basically they have a sensible rule on the books, that everyone ignores because in most cases the intent of the rule (to prevent bullying of profs by highly paid and important coaches in the name of athletic success) isnt being breeched. But when someone complains, they cant ignore it - they have to follow through. Had their been no leak, chances are, we would never have know - Flood would have gotten his slap on the wirst, and everyone would have moved on.

 

[Knight Shift]

Flood's punishment will he will have to write 1000 times that he will not e-mail professors, and then clean the blackboard/whiteboard:

 

[Abro1975]

RU100 Prof Mark Killingsworth is asking/demanding? for the Flood Inquisition to be made public. I guess like the last episode of GOT. I'm not posting the link from njcom

 

[BoroKnight]

RU100 Prof Mark Killingsworth is asking/demanding? for the Flood Inquisition to be made public. I guess like the last episode of GOT. I'm not posting the link from njcom

Unless he knows what's in the email, he should be careful what he wishes for, because if it's as harmless as most of us think he is, he is going to come out of this looking pretty silly, even if the letter of the law was violated.

I'm still glad Rutgers takes little things seriously. Backs up the overall philosophy here. What we need are people who complain quietly internally when there is a potential issue rather than run to the press.

 

[LevaosLectures]

One thing that might prevent the email being made public are FERPA laws.

 

[RUsilencer]

The reason they aren't calling for his ouster is because there is nothing there. Another example of an overpriced faculty union trying to save face in the wake of reality and facts.

 

[ScarletKnightRider]

You know, in the event that somehow faculty did get him axed, I honestly dont even think there is a single coach in the country who would be willing to be a head coach for Rutgers other than Flood or another RU affiliate... ANY coach would lose it and said "fxck this University's politics and fxck this scandal mongering ledger, I can't even do my job" and left within the first year. Im glad we have a cool customer like KF who legitimately cares about the program. Moments like these are when it shows that he's perfect for the job right now, with all the fxckery that RU football has to deal with in NJ.

All indications are that hes the nicest guy in the world and they STILL are reaching for ways to sling mud even after years of establishing a good reputation?... Can you imagine if someone like Petrino was here?? They would have found a way to give us the death penalty by now.

 

[LevaosLectures]

The reason they aren't calling for his ouster is because there is nothing there. Another example of an overpriced faculty union trying to save face in the wake of reality and facts.

What exactly do you think the mission of Rutgers UNIVERSITY is? How is the faculty union "overpriced"? Do you think professors at Rutgers make more than professors at the top flight research universities we'd like to emulate?

 

[Doctor Worm]

Unless he knows what's in the email, he should be careful what he wishes for, because if it's as harmless as most of us think he is, he is going to come out of this looking pretty silly, even if the letter of the law was violated.

I'm still glad Rutgers takes little things seriously. Backs up the overall philosophy here. What we need are people who complain quietly internally when there is a potential issue rather than run to the press.

By all accounts, the complainant did complain quietly internally. He did exactly what he was supposed to do under University policy. The leaker was a disinterested (but not uninterested) third party with his own agenda and axe to grind.

 

[RUsilencer]

Sorry professor. My Rutgers education and quick typing should have used the term "over funded" versus over priced. Would you like me to edit the post for you? On a side note, I took a class with Killingsworth in the 90's. He wasn't worth the print he received in this article.

 

[Knight_Light]

Unless he knows what's in the email, he should be careful what he wishes for, because if it's as harmless as most of us think he is, he is going to come out of this looking pretty silly, even if the letter of the law was violated.

I'm still glad Rutgers takes little things seriously. Backs up the overall philosophy here. What we need are people who complain quietly internally when there is a potential issue rather than run to the press.

Because Flood used his own personal private email for this communication...that "one" email could have already been deemed harmless but now RU has to do an investigation to see if Flood used his private email account to contact Profs/instructors in the past regarding communication to any RU Staff regarding football players' academic status et la.

Those involved in the investigation saw the email within the first minute of this investigation, these are the 2 things that are being looked at:

1) Regardless what was stated in the private email account communication, RU has to look to see if Flood used his private email in the past

2) If there was a hint of pressure to possibly change Nadir's final grade (Semester ended August 12) that wouldn't have been good enough to qualify Nadir for the Fall Semester, all other official RU email communication and private email communication have to be looked at.

Bottom line, if Flood had used his RU email AND if the email was deemed harmless, while still against the written policy of contacting profs/instructors, this investigation would have been over in days as RU could have easily scrubbed/viewed all of Flood's official RU communication to see what went to other RU staff in the past.

 

[RUsilencer]

Hey Professor Gumbotz,

You still want to tell me I dont know about Barnwell failing vs needing an A?

 

[Mike from MD]

What exactly do you think the mission of Rutgers UNIVERSITY is? How is the faculty union "overpriced"? Do you think professors at Rutgers make more than professors at the top flight research universities we'd like to emulate?

Yes, they do.

This information is from the website, Inside Higher Ed. While the survey data is 3 years old it is likely still accurate.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news...lty-salary-increased-rate-inflation-last-year

Full professors at Rutgers are well compensated when compared to their peers.

Top Public Universities in Pay for Full Professors, 2012-13

University Average Salary
1. University of California at Los Angeles $167,000
2. New Jersey Institute of Technology $166,700
3. University of California at Berkeley $158,900
4. Rutgers University at Newark $154, 700
5. Rutgers University at New Brunswick $151,000
6. University of Michigan at Ann Arbor $148,700
7. Rutgers University at Camden $145,000
8. University of Texas at Austin $144,000
9. University of Virginia $143,200
10. University of Texas at Dallas $143,100

 

[rutgers48]

Yes, they do.

This information is from the website, Inside Higher Ed. While the survey data is 3 years old it is likely still accurate.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news...lty-salary-increased-rate-inflation-last-year

Full professors at Rutgers are well compensated when compared to their peers.

Top Public Universities in Pay for Full Professors, 2012-13

University Average Salary
1. University of California at Los Angeles $167,000
2. New Jersey Institute of Technology $166,700
3. University of California at Berkeley $158,900
4. Rutgers University at Newark $154, 700
5. Rutgers University at New Brunswick $151,000
6. University of Michigan at Ann Arbor $148,700
7. Rutgers University at Camden $145,000
8. University of Texas at Austin $144,000
9. University of Virginia $143,200
10. University of Texas at Dallas $143,100

Ooof. Mike from MD just won that issue. Facts are fun.

 

[seels2662]

Interesting stat though 4 of the top 10 highest paid public university salaries are NJ State institutions.

 

[rucoe89]

Yes, they do.

This information is from the website, Inside Higher Ed. While the survey data is 3 years old it is likely still accurate.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news...lty-salary-increased-rate-inflation-last-year

Full professors at Rutgers are well compensated when compared to their peers.

Top Public Universities in Pay for Full Professors, 2012-13

University Average Salary
1. University of California at Los Angeles $167,000
2. New Jersey Institute of Technology $166,700
3. University of California at Berkeley $158,900
4. Rutgers University at Newark $154, 700
5. Rutgers University at New Brunswick $151,000
6. University of Michigan at Ann Arbor $148,700
7. Rutgers University at Camden $145,000
8. University of Texas at Austin $144,000
9. University of Virginia $143,200
10. University of Texas at Dallas $143,100

Unfortunately, the ROI is not the same as other colleges just based on rankings from an academic standpoint.