Plenty of guys who go on to have GREAT collegiate, even professional careers, struggle as True Frosh in hoops. We had one as recently as RHJ. I think some here are just losing their shit because GG was highly ranked. Well, "highly ranked" doesn't always mean he's going to excel as a frosh. I'll say it again: give him a high-end offensive minded assistant coach, this off-season, and watch out!
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Do you think we need a high-end offensive minded assistant coach? Lol
I'm with Zappa on this. When GG puts the ball on the floor and tries to get to the rim, he's very vulnerable to help defense.
It was a fine shot. Not ideal but it’s not like we generate much better looks than that. Gavin was fairly balanced and he’s a quick shooter.
Ha, go back and read reactions to me telling people to stop having such expectations for a freshman. I didn't understand, I just never seen a recruit of his level! I'd seen freshman, I don't put expectations on any of then, but even I thought he would have provided the team more than Oskar up to this point.
Your second point on a high end offensive assistant. Don't hold your breath.
What fans don't realize is that the percentage of threes you make is not important to whether you are a good three point shooter.
At minimum I thought he would be able to be a spot up 3 point shooter. If anyone said Gavin would be 25% from 3 this far into the season they would have been laughed at
Milo I think straight up quit the board bc Gavin didn't live up to the hype 🤣
I think he in busy ban*ing Otis
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No it wasn’t. There was nothing good about it other than it came from the hands of a highly recruited shooter. To be clear, if any of our other guards took that shot everyone would be furious.
Most fans don’t understand the importance of having the ability to attempt a high volume of three point shots. Making them is a secondary skill because you miss 100% of shots you don’t take.
Griffiths has definitely been looking better and more comfortable out there.
At the start of the season, he really seemed lost defensively - and now he's moving better defensively and making better decisions. He's closing out better, helping better, and staying in front of his man better - he really seems to be adapting better to the speed of the game and the talent level of his opponents. He's not a plus defender by any stretch - but he hasn't seemed like the minus defender he was earlier in the season. Really shows a lot of progress, which is great to see - and will likely earn him more minutes.
Offensively, he's also making better decisions. He's no longer just putting up junk from anywhere on the floor as soon as he gets the ball in his hands - he's moving better without the ball, he's putting the ball on the deck when the shot isn't there, and making better passes. His shot isn't falling yet - but I don't think he'd consider a "five feet behind the line three" as a "bad shot", which speaks to the confidence in his range. As his comfort level continues to improve, he gets more used to the talent/athleticism of the guys guarding him, and the game slows down for him, I think his shot will start to fall more often.
He's not where I'd hoped he'd be - but he's definitely coming along, and I think things are going to start clicking for him. I was much more worried for his development (and ability to contribute next year) ten games ago than I am now - the needle is moving in the right direction, and I think the production will improve as he gets more acclimated.
At the start of the season, he really seemed lost defensively - and now he's moving better defensively and making better decisions. He's closing out better, helping better, and staying in front of his man better - he really seems to be adapting better to the speed of the game and the talent level of his opponents. He's not a plus defender by any stretch - but he hasn't seemed like the minus defender he was earlier in the season. Really shows a lot of progress, which is great to see - and will likely earn him more minutes.
Offensively, he's also making better decisions. He's no longer just putting up junk from anywhere on the floor as soon as he gets the ball in his hands - he's moving better without the ball, he's putting the ball on the deck when the shot isn't there, and making better passes. His shot isn't falling yet - but I don't think he'd consider a "five feet behind the line three" as a "bad shot", which speaks to the confidence in his range. As his comfort level continues to improve, he gets more used to the talent/athleticism of the guys guarding him, and the game slows down for him, I think his shot will start to fall more often.
He's not where I'd hoped he'd be - but he's definitely coming along, and I think things are going to start clicking for him. I was much more worried for his development (and ability to contribute next year) ten games ago than I am now - the needle is moving in the right direction, and I think the production will improve as he gets more acclimated.
Anyone can chuck a bunch of 3's
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So is every pass a good pass? You can just throw the ball away bc you miss an assist on 100% of the passes you don't make
I'd rather him shoot that more than half the shots we generate every game.
He needs some serious work with his handle, he has a very strange posture when advancing the ball on the dribble.
Please stop. Go watch it again. I don’t care if he turns out to be the next Steph Curry. That was an awful shot. His feet were not set. He was a mile away from the basket. It resembled a buzzer beater heave in every way possible.
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Let’s put this another way. Lots of COLLEGIATE level data on Noah. He’s over a 34% perimeter shooter over a 4+ year career. That shot was taken from so far out that his height would not be a factor - it was heaved before anyone could contest (so you cant rationalize that his prior year stats reflected defense from shorter guys - not relevant from that location one way or the other). How would you guys feel if Noah took that long ball shot early in a shot clock??? Gavin may well turn out to be a great college shooter - at the moment he’s 25% from 3 though. On no planet is that a shot that should have a green light on. Perhaps if he came to a stop in triple threat and after a pump fake or two the D dared him to take it - that would be fine. That was not the circumstance. He threw it up the second he caught the pass.
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To be fair, he is the only one that took a shot from half court.
And someone on this thread specifically presented an argument claiming that was a good shot.
He is a pure catch and shoot player, which is what he did. While they’re not currently going in he’s the only C&S guy on the roster. It’s basically what you see in about 75% of NBA games.
If you’ve watched Ace at all this year you should be prepared because he routinely pulls from 25’+. I expect he’ll have 2-4 of them every game next year. So, to me the distance on Gavin’s shot is somewhat irrelevant. Now, ideally, there would’ve been ball reversal and he could’ve stepped in 3-4 feet and gotten a better look. But, our guards don’t run ball reversal so when a shooter gets an open shot they’re going to take it.
All of that said — when they’re not falling, put the ball on the floor and work toward the rim.
If you’ve watched Ace at all this year you should be prepared because he routinely pulls from 25’+. I expect he’ll have 2-4 of them every game next year. So, to me the distance on Gavin’s shot is somewhat irrelevant. Now, ideally, there would’ve been ball reversal and he could’ve stepped in 3-4 feet and gotten a better look. But, our guards don’t run ball reversal so when a shooter gets an open shot they’re going to take it.
All of that said — when they’re not falling, put the ball on the floor and work toward the rim.
Cmon man you thought I was serious? I was needling another poster lol.
This distance is not irrelevant and wouldn’t be for anyone in this case. It was a rushed, off balanced shot taken from a mile away from the basket the second he secured the pass. That is point blank not a good shot to take. It wouldn’t be a good shot from in closer either but the fact that he rushed a shot from so far away from the basket that the D likely would’ve given him room on anyway makes it worse. The only reason for anyone to take a shot like that would be if time were expiring.
That said - I wasn’t pointing this out to single him out. I was responding to the poster who basically tried to argue this was a good shot that he got unlucky on in context of a discussion that he’s improving. He did some good things in the game - the pass to Cliff at the top of the list. That shot though does not in any way fall into the category of him showing promise / development.
Derek and JMike take wild runners going to the basket. Cliff takes weird midrange jumpers. Hyatt can’t finish at the rim (despite his size). Yet, all these guys consistently take these shots every game. I’m not saying it was a “good” shot. I’m saying all these guys play a particular game and whether you or I or anyone else likes it, I suspect that deep 3s are part of Gavin’s game. When he finally gets his shots to fall (I hope) I think we’ll see even more of them. With that back to work.
Again - this wasn’t about singling Gavin out for poor shooting. It was a call out to the poster who brought this particular shot attempt up to support the idea that Gavin is turning a corner. No matter how many examples of worse shots you can point to from other players, there was nothing good or promising about that particular attempt in terms of Gavin’s development.
