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Harbaugh Pressuring Players to Leave?

pretty sure we do it also. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many transfers after each year.
 
Harbaugh will push for whatever he can get away with. Would not be surprised that this is happening. Even before the 49ers, let's just say quite a few folks at San Diego St. and Stanford were relieved he left. While they tolerated his actions because on field he was a winner, they were not always happy with the way he approached it. The 49ers had the same response and jumped on parting with him after his down season. Harbaugh will win at Michigan, but don't be surprised if he wears out his welcome within 5 years, even with winning.
 
Please... our coaches pressure them to leave as well. Otherwise there's no reason for an RU football player to "voluntarily" transfer to Howard or some other 3rd rate school just to play a couple of seasons of football while in the process devaluing their degree and future a hell of a lot.
 
DJ Spanky said:
No, we don't. Most of the transfers are due to players realizing they are far down the depth chart and unlikely to play.
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suspect that you are spot-on ... there may be a bit of "Hey I should be able to play at Rutgers" ... but then the reality sets in - the competition is tough and there may be somebody just a bit (or a lot) better ahead of them - so they reassess - often they make a move to a place were they are highly confident that they will see almost endless playing time ... even if it is a smaller school...
just as an interested observer - certainly hope that they seek to preserve or enhance the quality of education that the obtain.
 
JQRU91 said:
There's a Michigan player who claims Harbaugh tried to pressure him into signing a medical form to get him off the team and free up a scholarship. I'm sure this kind of thing happens in big-time college athletics, but it seems kind of classless if it's true.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...rines-coach-jim-harbaugh-staff-pressured-quit
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Yes...happens at a lot of schools...especially when new coaches come in (why keep a player around for another 1-3 years when if you can force them out by taking medical hardship, that will free up a new scholarship that you can use on a player you want) and/or when coaches oversign (and/or some players unexpectedly come back for another year).

Those taking medical hardships can remain at the school on University, not athletic scholarships.

Wall Street Journal had an in-depth look at how Nick Saban forced some players to take medical hardships:


http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306

And or trying to get others to do that when he oversigned:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21733077

Of course, best case scenario for coaches is said player just leaves/transfers to another school, freeing up the scholarship said coach wanted.
 
Didn't Brian Leonard choose Rutgers because RU honored his brother's scholarship offer even after he got injured?
 
JQRU91 said:
Didn't Brian Leonard choose Rutgers because RU honored his brother's scholarship offer even after he got injured?
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Not only that, but he wasn't even on our team yet I believe. I could be way off, but we honored the ship when everyone else pulled their offers. And no, we don't force kids to sign their transfer papers like Harbough just did.
 
loyalty_policia said:
Not only that, but he wasn't even on our team yet I believe. I could be way off, but we honored the ship when everyone else pulled their offers. And no, we don't force kids to sign their transfer papers like Harbough just did.
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First of all Harbaugh didn't force anyone to sign papers. At every school, including Rutgers, each player gets an evaluation several times a year. They are apprised of the chances of ever playing and their options.
If a coach says to a player that he is better off transferring if he wants to play, that's just being honest.
Rutgers does it every year. Do the math. They recruit on average 25 players a year and by senior day they have on average between 14 and 18 standing on the field.
 
WhiteBus said:
First of all Harbaugh didn't force anyone to sign papers. At every school, including Rutgers, each player gets an evaluation several times a year. They are apprised of the chances of ever playing and their options.
If a coach says to a player that he is better off transferring if he wants to play, that's just being honest.
Rutgers does it every year. Do the math. They recruit on average 25 players a year and by senior day they have on average between 14 and 18 standing on the field.
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I don't think you read the article. No one is debating that schools don't evaluate kids or tell them where their best chance to play is. The difference here is that this kid thinks he can play and wants to play at Michigan, where he earned a scholarship that lasts for 4 years and they have effectively removed him from the team by removing his ability to work out with the team and have been harassing him to sign his medical red shirt forms (for the teams benefit). Those last two parts are not normal and make this a story. This isnt a case of not inviting a kid back for a 5th year or telling him he isn't good enough, which are of course, common.
 
It happens at RU. Why do so many kids transfer to Morgan St/3rd tier school when they are useless to the team? It's not to get a crappy degree while playing a meaningless couple of football seasons (they're not going to the NFL from there).

Why would anyone give up a full ride to get a degree from a top 50 academic school to go play a couple seasons of sub par FB at a diploma mill school? It's because they were pushed out. Either politely or forcefully. Stop burying your head in the sand.
 
loyalty_policia said:
I don't think you read the article. No one is debating that schools don't evaluate kids or tell them where their best chance to play is. The difference here is that this kid thinks he can play and wants to play at Michigan, where he earned a scholarship that lasts for 4 years and they have effectively removed him from the team by removing his ability to work out with the team and have been harassing him to sign his medical red shirt forms (for the teams benefit). Those last two parts are not normal and make this a story. This isnt a case of not inviting a kid back for a 5th year or telling him he isn't good enough, which are of course, common.
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I did read the article. Did you? His own doctor recommended he take 6 months off. He confirms he has arthritis. I don't blame him as a competitor that he wants to play but it is in his best interest he doesn't. Simply sour grapes on the part of this kid.
 
White Bus why do you think you are tge board police here on the free board?

You are always calling people idiots and saying they have no reading comprehension...

And you think you are never wrong.


Ive noticed this a long time ago and ive noticed it more often as well that you are playing devils advocate, a bully, a loser and just over all not liked all rolled into one....get a life

And ur typical response will be "i never said that" or "do u you have any reading comprehension"

Get a life dude
 
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Blitz8RUCrazy said:
It happens at RU. Why do so many kids transfer to Morgan St/3rd tier school when they are useless to the team? It's not to get a crappy degree while playing a meaningless couple of football seasons (they're not going to the NFL from there).

Why would anyone give up a full ride to get a degree from a top 50 academic school to go play a couple seasons of sub par FB at a diploma mill school? It's because they were pushed out. Either politely or forcefully. Stop burying your head in the sand.
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you aren't sure of what you're talking about. You're just hoping you're right. But unfortunately, for you, you are wrong. You start earlier in the conversation saying "I'm pretty sure this happens here too" but by now you've convinced yourself that it definitely happens.. Let me tell you, as someone who knows our program very, very well, we don force anyone out. If a kid wants to stay on the team all four years without playing one snap, we will let that happen. If a kid wants playing time, we will try our best to find him another school to play at. But don't make crap up that we force guys out - there are many programs who don't play that game.

To note, this practice happens more often at places where there is coaching turnover. Michigan has been a revolving door, Rutgers has not. We have been pretty stable in our coaching having had only 2 coaches in 15 years.

Get a clue Blitz, you're a horrible poster.
 
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RutgersROB said:
White Bus why do you think you are tge board police here on the free board?

You are always calling people idiots and saying they have no reading comprehension...

And you think you are never wrong.


Ive noticed this a long time ago and ive noticed it more often as well that you are playing devils advocate, a bully, a loser and just over all not liked all rolled into one....get a life

And ur typical response will be "i never said that" or "do u you have any reading comprehension"

Get a life dude
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agree. Take a hike. You suck so bad.
Why don't the moderators get rid of guys like this?
 
I'm naive enough to think we never do it --- but big time programs have done this for years.......
 
RutgersROB said:
White Bus why do you think you are tge board police here on the free board?

You are always calling people idiots and saying they have no reading comprehension...

And you think you are never wrong.


Ive noticed this a long time ago and ive noticed it more often as well that you are playing devils advocate, a bully, a loser and just over all not liked all rolled into one....get a life

And ur typical response will be "i never said that" or "do u you have any reading comprehension"

Get a life dude
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Oh jeeze. Where did I call anyone out on this thread??? I was asked if I read the article and I did. You think you control this board every time I make a logical point.
It's funny you are the first person in this thread calling people names...the same as you wrongly accuse me of doing. Now that you have no evidence of me calling anyone out you have no response. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones but you throw bricks. My word, do you ever bring anything factual to this board?
 
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rucoe89 said:
Harbaugh will push for whatever he can get away with. Would not be surprised that this is happening. Even before the 49ers, let's just say quite a few folks at San Diego St. and Stanford were relieved he left. While they tolerated his actions because on field he was a winner, they were not always happy with the way he approached it. The 49ers had the same response and jumped on parting with him after his down season. Harbaugh will win at Michigan, but don't be surprised if he wears out his welcome within 5 years, even with winning.
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Nope, now way, won't happen.
 
For those wondering why kids transfer out, try playing d1 football at a school that wants to win and have you do well in school too. Then, after a few years of that, come tell us that you never thought about leaving. It's a hard, hard life and it's not for everyone.
 
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DJ Spanky said:
No, we don't. Most of the transfers are due to players realizing they are far down the depth chart and unlikely to play.
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And you don't think coaches are helping push them out? it happens everywhere. Guys either transfer or take the medical hardship. Most guys have to much pride to say publicly that they were forced out. It happens at Rutgers it happen at Penn State. They are not going to force out a guy getting PT. It will continue to happen until the system stops rewarding the practice. If they would eliminate scholarship limits and instead limit the new number of scholarship players this will continue to happen. I say let schools give 25 a year. A hard limit with no over signing. If all of those players stay 5 years then you will have 125 scholarship players. If half fail out then you will have about 62. Now coach has no incentive to run you off because he will not get an extra ship.
 
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Blitz8RUCrazy said:
Please... our coaches pressure them to leave as well. Otherwise there's no reason for an RU football player to "voluntarily" transfer to Howard or some other 3rd rate school just to play a couple of seasons of football while in the process devaluing their degree and future a hell of a lot.
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You Sir, need to buy a blue. For many players.. it is PLAYING that is most important to them. The idea of just being a practice player or deep bench player is not something they can stomach even with a scholarship at a great school like Rutgers. Of course, some learn to refocus on academics and are good "team players" and transferring to a lower level is anathema to them. And some of the injured will opt to leave football.

So, yeah, some kids will voluntarily trasfer to Howard, a good school, or anywhere else they feel gives them the shot they want.
 
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RU4 said:
Come'on man. You don't really believe that this doesn't happen at RU
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...so you're telling me that at Rutgers, the place where if someone cuts a loud fart nj.com will probably have an article about Rutgers and air pollution up an hour later, this kind of stuff happens and NO ONE has ever come forward and said anything about it?


Joe P.
 
JoeRU0304 said:
...so you're telling me that at Rutgers, the place where if someone cuts a loud fart nj.com will probably have an article about Rutgers and air pollution up an hour later, this kind of stuff happens and NO ONE has ever come forward and said anything about it?


Joe P.
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Probably because most kids have more pride then to whine and complain in the media. You get fired from your job are you more likely to complain openly about being fired because you weren't good enough or quietly move on.
 
PSU_Nut said:
Probably because most kids have more pride then to whine and complain in the media. You get fired from your job are you more likely to complain openly about being fired because you weren't good enough or quietly move on.
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We had the Tyree situation, the Mike Rice situation, etc where it was basically open season to say anything and have it covered in depth. I know Rutgers has moved forward with 4th-year juniors and has had players retire for medical reasons, but I seriously doubt we used the heavy-handed methods talked about here.


Joe P.
 
Is there a more ignorant statement a person can make than"Every school is the same"? It would be far closer to the truth to say that every school is close to unique in the way it handles its players, since every school is run by a different combination of individuals, each with their own specific set of ethics and way of doing things.

Try any profession. There is going to be a broad spectrum of behavior, from the few on one end who try to do everything the right way to the people on the other end of the spectrum who see cheating as much as possible as the main road to success. The vast majority will fall in the middle, but rarely with 2 do things exactly the same.

We have seen time after time articles about our head coach and his way of doing things. Unless all the authors of these stories are completely making up what they write, one of our head coach's principal strengths seems to be his empathy for his players and his efforts to do right by them in whatever he does. You would have us believe he treats his players no differently than Harbaugh, someone who seems to have stepped on more than a few toes along the way.

That just makes me believe you are always trying to paint our coach in as bad a light as possible.

I don't know how ethical Harbaugh is. Some of the stories could well be exaggerated by those who do not like what he has done. It seems likely however that our coach is closer to the "good guy" end of the spectrum than Harbaugh, or his players would not respect him so much. I would venture to say our coach is close to being one of the most empathetic coaches out there, but I really have no idea who else would have his kind of reputation.

Of course, he is not perfect in his relations with the young people. No one is. The key is that he has their best interests at heart, and I can guarantee you there are lots of guys out there who do not.

Feel free to discuss your perception of our coach's weaknesses and whether they will hinder our team's quest for success. However his relationship with his players is not one of them, no matter how hard you try to gloss it over. It is one of his strengths.
 
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And PSU-Nut, I do think you make some fair points here. Its not like the student-athletes are always 100% accurate. Tyree and his family seemingly tried to paint our staff as a bunch of monsters. One recruit in 2013 made a bunch of allegations about us after he decommited that were so skewed that his coaches actually apologized to us because they were there when the conversations took place and they didnt occur the way the kid said they did (regarding potential position in college).

In these situations IMO its all about the presentation. There's three sides to every story (yours, theirs, and somewhere in there the truth). Mich initially comes across as sincere, but there seems to be some quirks with the med stuff (first the guy is fine, then he's suddenly not).


Joe P.
 
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Players being told the reality of where they are on the depth chart and their potential to play happens everywhere, especially when new coaching staffs come in. In a way it is processing but not completely as the player eventually will leave the program for another team. At PSU you have Richy Anderson, Steven Bench, Michael O'Connor, etc. However, kids being downright processed through medical hardship waiver is a completely different animal. OSU recently did it with a RB and now it appears Harbaugh is doing it as well. Maybe you guys do it but I would want to be provided with a specific example.

Happens all the time in the SEC. Alabama is famous for it and I believe there have been articles and/or tv features specifically done about them. It is how they often oversign.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21733077
 
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Sounds like you guys are talking apples and oranges.
Do our coaches tell kids straight up that they will very likely never see the field and strongly suggest they transfer if they want to play college football- 100 % correct they do.
Do they tell a kid to sign a medical waiver they do not want to sign and they have not been told by a Doctor that they could should never play again. No, I do not think so.
 
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Sounds like you guys are talking apples and oranges.
Do our coaches tell kids straight up that they will very likely never see the field and strongly suggest they transfer if they want to play college football- 100 % correct they do.
Do they tell a kid to sign a medical waiver they do not want to sign and they have not been told by a Doctor that they could should never play again. No, I do not think so.
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Im an outsider but this is what I would expect from Rutgers.

Only medical RS I can remember at Penn State was Evan Hailey and he had blood clots and became a student coach.
 
RutgersROB said:
White Bus why do you think you are tge board police here on the free board?

You are always calling people idiots and saying they have no reading comprehension...

And you think you are never wrong.


Ive noticed this a long time ago and ive noticed it more often as well that you are playing devils advocate, a bully, a loser and just over all not liked all rolled into one....get a life

And ur typical response will be "i never said that" or "do u you have any reading comprehension"

Get a life dude
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White Bus is actually Chris Christie!
 
rucoe89 said:
Harbaugh will push for whatever he can get away with. Would not be surprised that this is happening. Even before the 49ers, let's just say quite a few folks at San Diego St. and Stanford were relieved he left. While they tolerated his actions because on field he was a winner, they were not always happy with the way he approached it. The 49ers had the same response and jumped on parting with him after his down season. Harbaugh will win at Michigan, but don't be surprised if he wears out his welcome within 5 years, even with winning.
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This kid has had multiple concussions and blew out his knee. This player is being called out on Twitter by his former teammates. You have no clue what your talking about with harbaugh wearing out his welcome in 5 years
 
Blitz8RUCrazy said:
pretty sure we do it also. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many transfers after each year.
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Seriously what some people will just blurt out on message boards. I have NEVER heard anything like this in any capacity even as a rumor. And plus with the kind of guy Flood is I would say that makes the odds of something like this happening at Rutgers slim to none.

I would hope you have some kind of inside information/ at least heard a rumor somewhere Blitz8RuCrazy and that you didn't just say this comment based on nothing.....
 
Athletic scholarships are a year to year commitment, or at least they used to be. Athletes got evaluated every year to determine if they should remain on scholarship for the next year. Every school did this including Rutgers. However, there is a difference between throwing a kid off the team and honoring a commitment that you do not need to honor. I believe the year to year scholarships have been changed to a firm 4 or 5 year commitment of not by the NCAA, certainly by The B1G. I believe the firm 4or 5 year commitments start soon if they have not started already. Still doesn't mean that coaches like Harbaugh don't have ways to make a kid leave his program.
 
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