Does anyone know the format of this tournament? All I see is seven teams listed, including NC State, which may have several potential ranked matchups with us. Thanks for any information. $$$$
Hofstra Tourney Question
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This is what I have been able to find out (not saying my info is 100% true).
Teams can bring up to 15 guys (no redshirts - its not an open).
They will divide the weight class's into 2 tournaments, grouping experienced guys together and less experienced guys together. So basically you will have 2 tournaments per weight. From there the guys will wrestle round robin style not a bracketed style tournament. Guessing you will not wrestle everyone in your grouping.
Again this is what I have gathered from tweeting with the tournament twitter account.
Teams can bring up to 15 guys (no redshirts - its not an open).
They will divide the weight class's into 2 tournaments, grouping experienced guys together and less experienced guys together. So basically you will have 2 tournaments per weight. From there the guys will wrestle round robin style not a bracketed style tournament. Guessing you will not wrestle everyone in your grouping.
Again this is what I have gathered from tweeting with the tournament twitter account.
It sounds like a lot of action for everyone and maybe some $$ for the pin pool. Thanks for the update. $$$$
I think there are 7 teams and that is the format. On the best side there will be a top and bottom bracket with a round robin on both top and bottom. Then the best top bracket guy wrestles the bottom bracket best as do the second best records, etc. Lewis will not wrestle as he is hurt and will have to decide if he wrestles this year or redshirts. Brandon Paetzel is off redshirt and will wrestle this year if good enough. I think we are taking 18 kids to the event.
Did RU apply for a medical redshirt and get approved? Can't just decide you want to redshirt after he wrestled against Princeton. Medical redshirt are given for season ending injuries, so can't see how Lewis can decide to redshirt or not.
I think I saw that Penn, NC State, Campbell, RU, Hofstra and two more teams I'm forgetting.
Is Paetzell 100% healthy from previous years? I mean, he's obviously showing the talent that's been there. Just wondering about health.
Wow, Paetzell is burning his RS? I had high hopes for McCabe for this season... It's a shame.
So wng,will Paetzall loose the chance too redshirt at all,because Goody yanked his redshirt? It's a smart move,don't get me wrong.Also,I'm hearing Ritchie's injury is pretty serious,so I'm thinking he either medical redshirts or has too wrestle hurt.
I believe I found the 18 RU is sending to Journeymen Tussle.
McCabe, Sean
Paetzell, Brandon
Dippery, Tyson
DelVecchio, Scott
Patrick, Joshua
Ashnault, Anthony
Ottaviano, Nick
Theobold, Ken
Giraldo, Anthony
Van Brill, John
Scott, Willie
Pafumi, Anthony
Bakuckas, Phillip
Pagano, Jordan
Gravina, Nicholas
Correnti, Matt
Messner, Anthony
McDonald, Marc
McCabe, Sean
Paetzell, Brandon
Dippery, Tyson
DelVecchio, Scott
Patrick, Joshua
Ashnault, Anthony
Ottaviano, Nick
Theobold, Ken
Giraldo, Anthony
Van Brill, John
Scott, Willie
Pafumi, Anthony
Bakuckas, Phillip
Pagano, Jordan
Gravina, Nicholas
Correnti, Matt
Messner, Anthony
McDonald, Marc
Yeah, redshirts get burned the second you play a second on Varsity. But you essentially have 5 years to play 4 (barring injury). You can use that redshirt at any time. Lots of wrestlers use it after their sophomore or junior year to prep for one last run at AA at a given weight.
Now with Richie, he can possibly get a medical redshirt, which is something that says "hey, yeah, so I wrestled, but barely, so please, NCAA, give me another year and we'll pretend I never went out there vs. Princeton." Often times it's granted. Sometimes it's not. In football there's like a 30% limit (games that happened before injury occurred). So a guy like Janarion Grant may be allowed back next year despite playing that OOC schedule.
Now with Richie, he can possibly get a medical redshirt, which is something that says "hey, yeah, so I wrestled, but barely, so please, NCAA, give me another year and we'll pretend I never went out there vs. Princeton." Often times it's granted. Sometimes it's not. In football there's like a 30% limit (games that happened before injury occurred). So a guy like Janarion Grant may be allowed back next year despite playing that OOC schedule.
I believe that season ending surgery also goes into the equation. Can anyone give clarity to the rule?
Can't participate in more than 30% of the total team competition. Haven't checked, but he should be well under that.
Also believe the NWCA all star match doesn't count as I believe that's an exhibition match
Gravina is a Redshirt Junior, this year and has next year to complete his 4 in 5 years. He did not get a medical for the year he was injured(unless it is a big secret). Redshirted his first year, wrestled and got hurt, wrestled last season, wrestling this year and will wrestle next year.. Lewis has not used a Redshirt, that is why he will be granted a medical redshirt(medical hardship) this year. If he did not have a redshirt left, it is much harder to get a medical redshirt.
I hope you are right but I can't imagine that is true.
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Rather than just come on and delete my above comment I will say Racpack you have some very good info.
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What?? No. This is not correct. You don't get an extra year due to one year of an injury.
Basically, the NCAA rules give you 5 years of college in which you may compete in 4. If you compete in a single event (for wrestling this includes any competition against an opponent from another school in which you wear a Rutgers singlet) it counts as one of your 4 years. The year in which you do not compete in any events is commonly known as a "redshirt year." Again, any competition precludes claiming a redshirt year. You may not compete, at all in your redshirt year. For wrestlers, you may compete "unattached" in "open tournaments." This means you are not wearing a Rutgers singlet, and not representing the University.
Then the NCAA has a special rule known as a "hardship waiver" for atheltes who are injured. You must suffer an injury that renders you unable to compete, as certified by a doctor. If you are granted a hardship waiver, you gain another year to compete to replace the year you "lost" due to injury. The year in which you are injured can be referred to as a medical redshirt year.
To be eligible for a hardship waiver/medical redshirt you have to
1. Be injured in the first half of the season, and not compete in the second half of the season
2. Not participate in more than 30% of the teams events in season, against other schools. For individual sports, this is limited to "dates of competition" with multi-day tournaments counting as 1 day. I do not know how they count tri-meets. I think it counts as one day even if you wrestle in both duals.
So Ritchie can get a medical this year. (I believe he only had 2 dates of competition NWCA and Princeton).
For Gravina, I do not know if he qualified, but to the point of it being a secret, you apply for a medical hardship waiver after your last year. So you apply for the extra year after you would otherwise be done competing. If Gravina intends to seek another year to "replace" his injury year, he would not have applied yet. I don't recall when he was hurt or how many events he competed in.
I will just leave this wall of text here...
14.2.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of “hardship.” Hardship is defined as an incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (Revised: 1/10/92 effective 8/1/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 11/1/01, 4/3/02, 8/8/02, 3/10/04, 5/11/05, 8/4/05, 4/26/07, 9/18/07, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 4/24/08) (a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any twoyear or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year in high school; ) (b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 14.2.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to compete for the remainder of that playing season; (c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the calculation only if they are identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations; and (d) In individual sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three dates of competition or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the maximum permissible number of dates of competition as set forth in Bylaw 17 plus one date for a conference championship (e.g., gymnastics: 13+1=14, wrestling: 16+1=17), regardless of whether the team participates in the conference championship, provided the institution is a member of a conference and the conference holds a championship event in the applicable sport. Dates of competition that are exempted per Bylaw 17 (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible number of dates of competition do not count toward the number of dates in which the student-athlete has participated.
Then the NCAA has a special rule known as a "hardship waiver" for atheltes who are injured. You must suffer an injury that renders you unable to compete, as certified by a doctor. If you are granted a hardship waiver, you gain another year to compete to replace the year you "lost" due to injury. The year in which you are injured can be referred to as a medical redshirt year.
To be eligible for a hardship waiver/medical redshirt you have to
1. Be injured in the first half of the season, and not compete in the second half of the season
2. Not participate in more than 30% of the teams events in season, against other schools. For individual sports, this is limited to "dates of competition" with multi-day tournaments counting as 1 day. I do not know how they count tri-meets. I think it counts as one day even if you wrestle in both duals.
So Ritchie can get a medical this year. (I believe he only had 2 dates of competition NWCA and Princeton).
For Gravina, I do not know if he qualified, but to the point of it being a secret, you apply for a medical hardship waiver after your last year. So you apply for the extra year after you would otherwise be done competing. If Gravina intends to seek another year to "replace" his injury year, he would not have applied yet. I don't recall when he was hurt or how many events he competed in.
I will just leave this wall of text here...
14.2.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of “hardship.” Hardship is defined as an incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (Revised: 1/10/92 effective 8/1/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 11/1/01, 4/3/02, 8/8/02, 3/10/04, 5/11/05, 8/4/05, 4/26/07, 9/18/07, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 4/24/08) (a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any twoyear or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year in high school; ) (b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 14.2.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to compete for the remainder of that playing season; (c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the calculation only if they are identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations; and (d) In individual sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three dates of competition or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the maximum permissible number of dates of competition as set forth in Bylaw 17 plus one date for a conference championship (e.g., gymnastics: 13+1=14, wrestling: 16+1=17), regardless of whether the team participates in the conference championship, provided the institution is a member of a conference and the conference holds a championship event in the applicable sport. Dates of competition that are exempted per Bylaw 17 (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible number of dates of competition do not count toward the number of dates in which the student-athlete has participated.
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Ok,all this talk is not clearing up whether or not he has 2 more years after this season.Has/had he applied for this medical redshirt yet? Has Goody and staff indicated if he is indeed going to go for 2 more years after this one.If he does go 2 more years,he will definitely be in talks of winning an NCAA title or at the very least a low AA.Getting back too Richie Lewis,I can see Giraldo or JVB going 157lbs/165lbs.Can JVB or Giraldo make it too 165lbs? Would it be a smart move for either of them to go too that weight? Or should Willie S take over that and JVB and Giraldo fight it out for 157lbs?
That's good news about Lewis! I was hoping he would redshirt this year and improve to contend for the national title next year, which I think he has a solid chance at.
Gravina getting a medical redshirt year would be huge! Not that Lewis isn't huge, it's just that I didn't expect he would have another year. Reading that long post of NCAA rules, it does make sense to see him apply for it after this year, and since he didn't wrestle over 30% when injured, and people here all talked about it then, he should get it.
Gravina getting a medical redshirt year would be huge! Not that Lewis isn't huge, it's just that I didn't expect he would have another year. Reading that long post of NCAA rules, it does make sense to see him apply for it after this year, and since he didn't wrestle over 30% when injured, and people here all talked about it then, he should get it.
Anyone know what is considered the second half of the season? Gravina last competed on 1/11/2015 in the 14/15 season.
What I read from the long post is he wouldn't apply until after next season. Although as a fan I would hope he does apply, gets the waiver and wrestles the extra year. One it's better for the team plus it gives Bill Janzer a year to train with Gravina in his redshirt year. But does he want to go back to school for a 6th year? We can't answer that question, especially not for a 22-24 year old kid that might want to start his career.
Its half going by competition dates. So you count up the competition dates and divide by 2. If its an odd number you round up a whole date. I don't think it would be perfect, but if you took the schedule dates for 14/15 and counted one date for each opponent, plus one date for the conference tournament, I think that would either tell you he's good, he is not good, or its close and we need to go back and read the rule more closely. There is a whole other rule on competition dates.
Wrong.. In order to receive a Medical Hardship He would have had to have lost 2 years to injury... Can only count his freshman year if he redshirted due to medical, not being just a freshman...Lewis will have a much easier time getting a medical redshirt as he hasn't used a redshirt year yet
Not sure what you are saying, but you don't need to lose two years to injury. You have five years of eligibility, but in one of those years you are not allowed to compete at all. This is your redshirt year. Then, if you are hurt in one of the other 4 years in which you do compete, you can apply for a 6th year (replacement year) if:
- You have a documented injury that prevents you from competing;
- You did not compete at all in the second half of the season; and
- You did not compete in more than 30% of the possible competitions for the season.
So..with all this talk,is he eligible based on his past performances or not? More importantly,if he is granted 2 more years after this,will he as others have said,be a 22-24 year old 6th yr senior or graduate student wrestler?
