Hosting a big man Wednesday
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I just watched a video on him and read up on him. He is a 3 star power forward/center for the class of 2017. He averaged 18.9 ppg and 8.7 rpg and 1.9 blocks per game in California. His dream school has been Stanford but if he doesn't get an offer there he wants a good academic school. He wants to major in engineering. He has been offered by a few California schools plus Yale, Western Kentucky and Fordham. He is a pretty big guy 6'10" but is not as big as CJ. He can score near the basket and face up and can hit a jumper from about 15 feet. He looks pretty good to me. We do need another big and we are an academic school. Maybe this can work.
Watch the tape-------kind of obvious why no Pac 12 offers .
He's a project but the reality is with the exception of about 20 6'9 or bigger kids nationally most bigs are and those kids aren't coming.
So you take a shot with a kid who you feel like has the necessary mentality and work habits to improve.
He's a project but the reality is with the exception of about 20 6'9 or bigger kids nationally most bigs are and those kids aren't coming.
So you take a shot with a kid who you feel like has the necessary mentality and work habits to improve.
Stanford, Yale, Lehigh are quality educations, so RU and this program can offer this big the same....just has a chance for the player to also play in a great conference and develop here as well.
LBPoly is a great program in both sports out west, so it's not as if he's completely green. Program seems to be trending towards landing targets that value academics in their profile, which makes for a easier transition to college.
Skills seem very good for a big of his size, shooting touch on youtube is solid....no worse than Diallo and looks better than Diallo was at this stage.....for a player that can set a screen and potentially knock down a jumper is a player you want in this offense.
LBPoly is a great program in both sports out west, so it's not as if he's completely green. Program seems to be trending towards landing targets that value academics in their profile, which makes for a easier transition to college.
Skills seem very good for a big of his size, shooting touch on youtube is solid....no worse than Diallo and looks better than Diallo was at this stage.....for a player that can set a screen and potentially knock down a jumper is a player you want in this offense.
Here is what stands out to me ...positive and negative ...in the limited footage
Negative
-does not yet use 6'10" frame to play above the rim....yet
- He plays like he is 6'6" and isnt used to his body yet. Crouched down like he is 6'5" to get rebounding leverage against bigger kids. Need to learn to play 6"10" and more upright which can be coached and becomes instinctive in time
-get those arms up big fella
Positive
-really really like this kids hands and touch. You can't teach that. He tips the ball in showing excellent coordination and touch. This is something you look in a "raw"
Big man...hard to develop that...you have it or you don't
-he shows handle and range. Ball comes to his finger tips naturally
-he has a body that the S&C coach will make a legit big ten big man
-above average footwork speed and balance
This kid looks like a classic late bloomer ....
And certainly worth a shot
In an ideal world...type of kid you would love to redshirt ...but not an option unless you get another 5th year big guy in front of him for 2017-2018.
Negative
-does not yet use 6'10" frame to play above the rim....yet
- He plays like he is 6'6" and isnt used to his body yet. Crouched down like he is 6'5" to get rebounding leverage against bigger kids. Need to learn to play 6"10" and more upright which can be coached and becomes instinctive in time
-get those arms up big fella
Positive
-really really like this kids hands and touch. You can't teach that. He tips the ball in showing excellent coordination and touch. This is something you look in a "raw"
Big man...hard to develop that...you have it or you don't
-he shows handle and range. Ball comes to his finger tips naturally
-he has a body that the S&C coach will make a legit big ten big man
-above average footwork speed and balance
This kid looks like a classic late bloomer ....
And certainly worth a shot
In an ideal world...type of kid you would love to redshirt ...but not an option unless you get another 5th year big guy in front of him for 2017-2018.
I think he would definitely help us. He would learn so much from Jay Young and would become so much more explosive and stronger working with our strength and conditioning coach. He also would play in one of the top conferences. He doesn't seem to dunk very often but he gets positioned well and goes after and gets the ball well. I think he has the potential to be a really outstanding big if he comes to RU and learns from Jay and our entire staff. On top of that we are one of the top academic schools in the country and the world. I can only imagine him and Doucoure going after the ball at the same time. Add a guy like Naz Reid and I can really dream. We have been down this road many times. I really hope this one can become reality. We are due for some good luck.
He grew 4 inches in last 2 years. Also hurt his kneecap and missed entire junior year. Might be why he's flown under the radar
I'd like to think/hope these type of players are available locally and to build relationships within 180 miles of Rutgers. Every name that keeps popping up as potential targets has me scratching my head. Maybe I am just getting impatient. Transfers, grad transfers, and under radar types in California has me uneasy.
We are finally paying for a full coaching staff. I know this is only the 2nd or 3rd inning, but i don't have the sense we are ahead. We were dealt a real bad hand so i probably need to be looking more big picture. Doubts are really creeping in.
We are finally paying for a full coaching staff. I know this is only the 2nd or 3rd inning, but i don't have the sense we are ahead. We were dealt a real bad hand so i probably need to be looking more big picture. Doubts are really creeping in.
"Paying for a full coaching staff" also means there are no limits to where we can recruit. I don't read much into the out of state-local thing. One thing as Rutgers people that we know is Rutgers is much more respected out of state than in state and very highly regarded on the west coast. Coaches will go where the players are and then go from there. If they have interest great, but if not, they'll go to the next best player in their eyes and start over.
Yep
Absolutely consistent with what little I see too
Potential is there ....type of kid love to get and redshirt but don't see a redshirt as possible
I hear you and the staff just turned 1 year old. I just would like to see more relationships being built as opposed to a list of potential players popping up
Patience my man. I hate hate that word because we have had to be so patient for so long ...but this staff has only been here for 13 MONTHS....the pay off starts with the class of 2018 kids that they will have had 18 months to build relationships with and even more for the class of 2019 and 2020 where they got in with everyone else at the same time and not from a catch up stand point
4 star doucoure for class of 2018 is a great start and keep needing to add
Think doing a terrific job getting things for the here and now while leaving plenty of open shops for the bigger fish they have been cultivating in class of 2018 and class of 2019
An 18-15 record this year would be another major step toward another big classes in November 2018 ....
I hear you. 2018, 2019 and 2020 classes is where it all will start. When I see Kiss and Jackson and this new guy it is taking away bullets from the 2018, 2019 and 2020.
Adding a grad transfer totally makes sense given the current roster AND keeping the 2018+ slot free.
Maybe Kiss is as good or better than a potential 2018 target. Essentially he is a 2018 target, but with only 2 years PLUS a players option for a 3rd.
Yes...
You have to look at the total roster for 2018-2019 as we have it
Sr-(3) Sanders/Doorson/Mensah
Jr-(2) Thiam/Onamuryi
So-(3) Bullock/Baker/Kiss
Fr-(1) Doucoure
We only have 7 scholarship players as of right now on the 2017-2018 team returning for 2018-2019....having SIX to give for 2018-2019 and still having three for he class of 2019
Adding at least ONE of Jackson and Johnson more still give us three more to give for the class of 2018 and still having three for the class of 2019
We will have a pretty good distribution of ships as well...and not having 7 in one class like the first Rice class and having way too much youth for two growing years....
This is the type of young man Pikiell said he would be going after the day of his introductory press conference.
"I think people are underestimating evaluating players and developing them. What my staff and myself have done a great job of is getting a guy that may be a little under-recruited. We saw something in him that other schools didn't, and we made him better."
"I think people are underestimating evaluating players and developing them. What my staff and myself have done a great job of is getting a guy that may be a little under-recruited. We saw something in him that other schools didn't, and we made him better."
Kiss is most likely better than 2018 kids. Has already shown he can play at the D1 level, and his play is almost to a tee what you need to successfully rebuild a program. Great pickup.
Give me more hard-nosed kids from the State of Rutgers
Jersey, NYC, Philly, Wilmington, DE, Bridgeport, CT,
Jersey, NYC, Philly, Wilmington, DE, Bridgeport, CT,
Kiss and Jackson are solid talents. I'm not sure how landing solid talents like that could ever hurt us. Our peers were targeting kiss and we'll be lucky to even land Jackson with all the competition for him. So taking away bullets by taking legit players when we don't even know who we can land in those future years...that sounds like a good way to keep Rutgers basketball the dumpster fire that it is.
If someone is not a good fit, the staff has shown we can force them out just like we did this year with about 3 players. We need as many guys in our program who have a chance to develop and flourish under this staff as possible..right now.
Let's break this down a little.
Quinnipiac is a D1 school, but plays in a low conference. NOTHING like what he will see in B1G. They finished 10-21 and played the most minutes on the team. he was 36-130 or 27.7% from 3. he was 16-70 from 3 over his last 16 games 22.9%.
On a positive note he had good assist and defensive rebound numbers.
Maybe I am totally wrong here, but it doesn't add up. I'd love to be wrong.
Kind of splitting the difference here with FIG and others. Would love to add Jackson Togo with Kiss because I know we will have a very young team in 2018 and there's a chance we will be breaking in a new PG. the more experienced talent to help bring the youth along (and balance the classes) the better.
At the very least, he was putting up 13+ ppg in a D1 school - which is more proven D1 offense than any of the other players coming out of HS or Juco. So he's a slightly more known commodity.
When "on", he can score against top competition (18 vs. Gonzaga)... but when "off", he struggles against poor competition (8 vs. Manhattan, 0-5 from three).
He's also streaky... a stretch of 6 games early in the season (inc. Gonzaga and SHU) saw him average 14.7 ppg (10-23 from three, .434) and 3.9 rb in 25.7 min.... yet a stretch of 6 games to end the regular season saw him average 11.2 ppg (4-27 from three, .148) and 6.0 rbs in 31.0 min.
Hopefully the coaching staff can help him more consistently be "on" with fewer no-show games.
At this point in the recruiting season, these are exactly the type of kids we need. 3 star, good potential upside, recruitment set back by injury. Could have ourselves a steal.
You have to look at it this way. He will probably give us the same or more than Diallo. If he doesn't pan out, he will be recruited over.
You have to look at it this way. He will probably give us the same or more than Diallo. If he doesn't pan out, he will be recruited over.
It is one thing to do that with a previous coach's player another with a guy you bring in. I think is bad practice to have that type of mentality. Building goodwill could be very important, especially at a school like RU.
LOL how would you like me to say it more gently for you? "If he doesn't pan out, he gets less minutes." Best players play, that goes for every team. This kid is certainly worth a shot.
Why some people on this board are worried about where we are recruiting from is mind boggling to me.
I was thinking more getting recruited over with his scholarship spot...big difference.
Again..the three is not all that matters. Some guys on here loooove to point to the three and don't even acknowledge the other ways this kid is able to make points. Very good players don't have to be able to hit the three. And kiss played legit competition like shu and played well in those games. SHU was a tourney team and stacks up against many big ten teams. He'll there were quite a few SHU fans who were upset that we landed Kiss...so he's good enough for a tourney team but not for us???
He will be better after a redshirt year. We complain about his 3 point % but nobody ever brings up the fact that this kid didn't even play 4 years of h.s. ball. Growth should be expected in ALL areas because of that. Those who are down on kiss are out of their ****ing minds.
There are still bad habits or thoughts that local players are somehow better or more valuable than others that are not from NY/NJ....if this player lived in NJ, he'd have 25 offers, strictly on media hype and non-West Coast bias.
The only reason he's off the radar and available is he was off the circuit last summer with a kneecap injury, or he's potentially at a Pac 12 or other west coast school.
Fans want smarter and more intelligent basketball players have to look at the change in culture and whether the player will buy in....Peter Kiss meshed well with Mike Williams, which is all I needed to know about how valuable he is in my opinion.
I have no idea if we land this player or not, but everything tells me that if he was on the court at the UA AAU event 2-3 weeks ago and you didn't know his name, he'd walk out with 10 offers as a 2017 recruit.
I'd rather take this player than a two year JUCO that would ultimately have to be recruited for that spot next summer.
We are also looking at potentially 5-6 spots needing to be filled next summer
Sanders (still no idea if he's a 4 year starter or is 100% committed to being an excellent college player/leader etc.)
Sa (Juco that helps, but needs to be replaced after this year).
Freeman (immediate starter that technically would be graduating now, if not for a redshirt).
Williams (played to his ranking, starter needed to be replaced).
Player or potential transfer (TBD)
Doorson (could graduate next spring, no guarantee on his contributions being significant this coming season off foot injury/procedure
We are not in a position to be exactly loading up on 5 freshman next year, so taking Kiss and potentially Jackson reduces the need to hit 4-5 homeruns this summer.
Landing Johnson replaces Diallo, which is a wash on talent/health and you get someone in by July 1st at the very latest working all summer in our program.
The only reason he's off the radar and available is he was off the circuit last summer with a kneecap injury, or he's potentially at a Pac 12 or other west coast school.
Fans want smarter and more intelligent basketball players have to look at the change in culture and whether the player will buy in....Peter Kiss meshed well with Mike Williams, which is all I needed to know about how valuable he is in my opinion.
I have no idea if we land this player or not, but everything tells me that if he was on the court at the UA AAU event 2-3 weeks ago and you didn't know his name, he'd walk out with 10 offers as a 2017 recruit.
I'd rather take this player than a two year JUCO that would ultimately have to be recruited for that spot next summer.
We are also looking at potentially 5-6 spots needing to be filled next summer
Sanders (still no idea if he's a 4 year starter or is 100% committed to being an excellent college player/leader etc.)
Sa (Juco that helps, but needs to be replaced after this year).
Freeman (immediate starter that technically would be graduating now, if not for a redshirt).
Williams (played to his ranking, starter needed to be replaced).
Player or potential transfer (TBD)
Doorson (could graduate next spring, no guarantee on his contributions being significant this coming season off foot injury/procedure
We are not in a position to be exactly loading up on 5 freshman next year, so taking Kiss and potentially Jackson reduces the need to hit 4-5 homeruns this summer.
Landing Johnson replaces Diallo, which is a wash on talent/health and you get someone in by July 1st at the very latest working all summer in our program.
Like the KISS signing, this big is a head scratching move IMO, and from CA, sure there's potential with the size, but athleticism looks minimal, and Diallo who at least has experience looks to be more of a big ten player, with more athleticism. again, my opinion.
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