There are coaches in P5 winning with Frosh and Soph dominated teams. Good coaching makes it possible. Next year may provide a better barometer of how good a coach Ash is with one more training camp and higher ranked players coming in.
How are we supposed to be any better next season ?
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I'm willing to wait and see who's stupid. Let's touch base next Sunday after the Penn State game. Last time I looked they're vying for a playoff spot. Beating Rutgers is not going to help, unless of course they hang 50, 60, 70 or maybe 80 (time permitting) points on us. Yes, let's touch base next Sunday .
It's actually worse. CA and staff misrepresented their plans for RU. At the beginning they stated that although they would implement the spread offense, they would adjust it to suit the personnel available. But they did no such thing. They forced a team recruited and trained for a pro style -- especially the quarterback -- to do the adjusting. And from day one (Washington) it was apparent that this strategy would not work. Yet they've kept trying to fit the square peg into the round hole.
Finally, someone who has the courage to state the truth! I'm tired of blaming Flood, The Players or the lack of revenue. The facts are the facts, we refuse to make the type of financial commitment to make us competitive. Coach Ash is in over his head and in my opinion a step down from coach Flood.
We'll have better depth at the receiver position next year. Young but talented guys; the transfers and some of the new guys coming on board. One playmaker can make a world of difference. Just compare this squad with Grant to it w/o him, or the team with a healthy Gio to the performance with him dinged. It will get better.
How is my opinion affected by whether or not I wear a uniform?
Those statements bother me as well. Having 9 players back on a defense that can't stop anybody isn't necessarily a good thing IMO. We badly need replacement players for some of those 9 players, not another year of experience for them.
The way a 2-7 MSU team pushed us around yesterday was very disturbing. If anything our team performance is trending lower as the season continues.
The next two games vs a beat up PSU offensive team and a Maryland team that may be about equal to us in talent will be very revealing to RU fans. Just beating Maryland at this point would be a major accomplishment and surprise for Ash and this group.
Better receivers don't help if the QB can't get the ball to them. The QB can't get the ball to them if the OL can't block.
Tell me how the OLine is going to be better and I might pay attention.
Well, the bad news is we lose 3/5ths of our O-line.
And that may also be the good news.
Flood should be the one who apologizes for leaving this program in this condition, not us! He was handed a job he was not qualified for and failed miserably. Flood sucked in all aspects! From Coaching to recruiting to his off the field behavior. You couldn't try to accomplish that if you tried, but he managed to. What you are seeing now is his aftermath. When will people wake up around here? Ash will be fine.
I disagree. The reason we are here is talent or a lack thereof. Flood left us with no talent. This is on him.
Flood manned up. Schiano split... not Flood. The only thing Flood did was give his best. Schiano could recruit, but his flaws would really show up in a league this good, the guy got routinely out-coached in the watered-down Big Least.-sg
Schiano left for a better job...an NFL head coaching job. Who wouldn't ?
BTW, if Ash does get RU back to the level that GS left it at, how long do you think he'll stay here....turning down offers from better-paying schools ?
Kbee,
Next year will be similar to this one. We lose a lot on the OL and DL. Don't get your hopes up. Year 3-4 will be the year to get excited about.
I really believe that if Ash thought we had the personnel to win this year he would have tweaked the offensive system. We don't. It seems like he felt the better option was to install the offense he was going to be recruiting for. This way all players in the program know the system and are not learning something new yet again. This is the first step in building the program. Once we have the players in place to run this system then you will see results. It sucks to lose like this, but would it really make people feel better if we lost to Michigan 57-7 and maybe beat Illinois? Take a deep breath and enjoy the ride. I am fully confident better days are ahead. Just hope recruits believe and continue believe in Ash's vision.
Probably 90% of this board wanted to go to the spread and ripped Flood for the pro set. As many predicted or at least those who truly understood what was ahead, it takes time to implement a new system. That said, to think the offense won't improve with the apparent upgrade at WR and from what I understand TE is not reasonable. Martin, Hicks, and Sneed should all be back. Yes Gio has made some poor decisions but that's expected with any 1st time starter other than maybe the cream of the crop. The kid doesn't even have 3 games where he's been 100% yet. There are 3 starters returning on the OL, only 1 of whom has a year as a starter right now. One has been called the best overall LT in the B1G already. One has 3? starts but has been given glowing reviews by the staff. All is not lost.
When they said "adjust" they didn't mean to switch to pro-style just to appease message board posters for crying out loud! They were VERY CLEAR that they would be running THIS offense and the players and recruits completely understand why they are doing so. They actually HAVE adjusted but you, like others, refuse to take notice. The O with a healthy Gio, in the 1st half of the Minnesota game, was completely different than the one we've been running since he's been hobbled. So, YES, "adjustments" HAVE been made.
lol...Flood "manned up"...this is a guy who dressed in a disguise in an effort to do something he was told not to do...give me a break
:confused: Our only starters now who are seniors are Nelson and Mueller. Nelson will be tough to replace but Mueller is having a bad year. It's much easier to replace the inside guys than tackles. We should be OK here.
With another year in this NEW system they will become more comfortable running it. You have to look at it this way, basically learning wise everybody was a freshman. Thus why all teams struggle when they change systems.
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only the eternal optimists thought this to be true.
Fans dont have a choice in this... this is CFB. Recruiting is a fact of life. You can't go out there and buy free agents.... well at least we can't
Fitting the entire team to Mehringer's schemes, this year and for the foreseeable future, is like trying to grow oranges in North Dakota. Suppose you just purchased a North Dakota soybean farm and you were looking for a manager. An inexperienced 28-year-old shows up and says: "This is great land for orange groves. Hire me and you will be the envy of the Florida orange growers." You'd laugh and show him the door, wouldn't you? The fact that Ash didn't laugh at Mehringer tells us much about Ash.
We will be better. But I still project 2-4 wins with a number of blow-outs.
Wishful thinking won't make us instantly competitive with the sorts of teams we face in the Big Ten East. Only time, hard work, and a lot of luck. There are no shortcuts.
You beat me too it.
I wish all these football geniuses would post in detail exactly what magical adjustments they would have the team make that would have us winning more games. Oh, and they should also post their D1 coaching credentials so that we know we can believe they have a clue what they are talking about.
Unbelievable.
I think our D will be somewhat better given that we have nine players gaining experience this year. We have a bunch of LBs who've never played in college playing this season. They will be a bit better for the experience. Our secondary has already improved and will improve with another batch of spring and pre-season training.
Will it be good enough to prevent blowouts against the elite teams? Probably not. For that we need better starting players and considerably more depth.
I, for one, have no credentials. Do you visit forums discussing movies and demand critics post how they would have shot the movie differently? Do you ask them what movies they have directed? Do you demand they turn in a revised screenplay? If a movie gets a 10% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes do you dismiss the score because the voters are amateurs?
Do you prefer doctors who respond to your questions by asking: "Since when did you go to medical school?"
That being said, there have been numerous specific critiques of the offense being run. Surely you don't expect posters to repeat them in every post?
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The contention in question is that our coaching staff is stubbornly refusing to make any adjustments of the offense to fit the available personnel. Well let's apply a little logic to that.
How can any fans actually know what Ash and Mehringer have or have not already done to tweak their intended offense schemes to better fit personnel? How can any fans know what Ash/Mehringer intend the offense to look like? The answer is they can't know and they don't know.
Fans see us losing and being noncompetitive and, in their frustration, they leap to the conclusion that the staff must not be adjusting the schemes and plays to our personnel. That's a ridiculous leap. And it ignores three important points the coaching staff has made on the subject:
(1) Ash and Mehringer have both said that the staff has and continues to make adjustments based on personnel. They also make adjustments based on who we're playing each week. But they cannot throw out the entire offense mid-season and adopt a different, unpracticed, offense and expect to magically get any better. It doesn't work that way except in video games.
(2) Ash correctly pointed out that pro set or spread, the OL still has to block, the WRs still have to get open and catch the ball, the RBs still have to hit holes at the right times, the QB still has to read the defense and make good throws. That hasn't been happening with any consistency and until it does, it doesn't much matter what offense we run.
(3) The staff needs to develop players to play the style of offense and defense the team is ultimately going to play. If we defer it this season, it'll just make it harder next season. Getting some freshmen in who've played in a spread offense isn't going to magically make it easier for everyone else. Blocking is blocking, route-running is route-running, catching is catching, running is running. Only getting a really good spread-offense QB will make a serious difference next season.
The staff didn't get to be where they are by being completely stupid about coaching football.
This is a message board for chrissake.
But according to you, no negative comments about the coaching staff.
And no comments about the coaching performance or coaching system unless the poster is a college coach.
Any more suppression you'd like?
Realistic expectations this year were 2-4 wins.
I won't disagree with anyone who blames Ash for being in the low end of that range but I don't feel the same.
Realistic expectations for next year should be the same.
Only an immediate impact from Lewis would cause that to change IMO.
I won't disagree with anyone who blames Ash for being in the low end of that range but I don't feel the same.
Realistic expectations for next year should be the same.
Only an immediate impact from Lewis would cause that to change IMO.
I see. So you think it's a great idea for people to shit all over the staff in a thread about recruiting. Brilliant!
sg out west - I can't imagine this guy is for real. Schiano almost even freakin took the office chairs with him to TB and left Flood behind. Why do you think that is?
According to that logic we should have no recruits for 2017 and no players on the team.
Fortunately for RU recruits are not as stupid as some fans are about the reality of playing in the B1G without the necessary talent, these recruits know what they are getting into & are ready, willing & able to accept the challenge.
