everyone at an academy is there on schlarship. How do they determine who are the 85 "scholarship" athletes? Just curious.
How does an Academy determine who is on schlarship?
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I don't believe they have any students on athletic scholarships. Everyone is on a military scholarship. So although the NCAA allows them to provide 85 athletic scholarships, they don't have to provide all 85, and they provide 0.
there are a few 'different' rules for the Academies - for example they are permitted to make direct contact with prospects an entire year earlier than a regular D1 coach could.
In theory. They still have to follow the other rules for how many players can travel and how many can dress for a game.
An unlimited number of players who must complete 5 years of active duty after they graduate.
Some coaches used to really overdo things and have guys on team just because it didn't cost a scholarship. Most teams Have their 1s, 2s, 3s but Army has gone past that in the past. I remember once some "Army football players" were acting up in a local bar like hot shots. They got their butts kicked that night. Turned out they were like 7th string and would never dress nevermind see the field, People forget cadets get paid too. Plebes used to get $900 a month. Some supplies, uniforms etc come out of that.
In reality, it is more like 8 years. My sister was recruited by all three academies. She even took an official to one of them. They were honest about the active duty service and said it was often 8 years. The mandatory was 5 years plus 3 in reserves but admitted it was likely to serve during the three.
And yes, since they do not give "scholarships", they could have 300 guys on the team.
No, they can't. D1 basketball and football are "headcount limited" by NCAA rule. The service academies are de facto exempt from scholarship limitations simply because, as has been pointed out, all students are technically on scholarship.
Oddly enough the 105 player limit applies to off season. The SAs are exempt from that. Sometimes a SA roster can have 175 guys listed - with 4 or 5 repeats of same number lol
" Limit on Number of Participants—Bowl Subdivision. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be a limit of 105 student-athletes who may engage in practice activities prior to the institution’s first day of classes or the institution’s first contest, whichever occurs earlier...
Exception—National Service Academies. [FBS] There is no limit on the number of student-athletes who will be attending a national service academy and who may engage in practice activities prior to the institution’s first day of classes or the institution’s first contest, whichever occurs earlier."
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/...uncil-Governance Official Notice_20151201.pdf
You don't think it would completely undermine all of college football if the three teams that have their own set of rules were the top three every single year?
Why? I'm all for supporting the troops, but I think if college football ever got to the point where you knew the academies were going to be the top three year after year, they would have to take a look at the differences in rules otherwise why bother with any national rankings and out of conference games?
As I understand it...EVERYone at the academies have to compete in a sport....even if its just "inter mural"
You guys are too much!
The academies are the best of the best.
They are National Champions every year in my eyes!
The academies are the best of the best.
They are National Champions every year in my eyes!
I think the service academies require cadets to participate in some kind of "gym class" and football fills that requirement.
That is correct even though some of the activities are things like floor hockey, submission gappling, ultimate frisbee and functional fitness.
Obviously, we are talking about a hypothetical scenario here where that apparently isn't enough of a deterrent.
I don't see how Ohio St. plays by different rules, but Notre Dame sure does. College football won't be fully formed unitl the ND problem is fixed once and for all. They either have to join a conference and be subjected to the playoff system through conference play or choose not to and be ineligible to participate.
The academies have the biggest built in restriction in that the top players with nfl dreams will not go there due to the service commitment.
Anyone saying the rules should change if the academies were 1,2,3 must not know they only get 4 years. That means no redshirts. Also any serious NFL prospect isn't going to an academy. Also everyone on the roster is subject to the same physical requirements all students are required to complete. A 6'6" 325lb lineman just won't exist at one of the academies.
The way the SAs get around red shirts is to use prep schools. The prep school at USMA (used to be in NJ) is huge. Many recruits go there first and dont have to commit to the military. Players can drop out easy and many do after a year.
From what I understand there is a bit more squiggle room for requirements. At some SAs the big lineman can take fitness test on a stationary bike instead of having to do timed runs on a track. There is also the magic of "medical exemptions" which not only help some players but get some midgets and jiggly cadets (who fit the social goals) into an academy.
SA ball can be a strange animal compared to other programs.
USMAPS (Prep School @ USMA)
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If they were the top three teams EVERY SINGLE YEAR as Caliknight said, you don't think that would raise some questions about the difference in rules? Obviously that is immensely unlikely to occur because of the active duty requirement, but if that were to occur, I think people would have to start wondering if the difference in rules needs to be addressed.
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