How is it possible that EJ is THIS bad?!

[Greene Rice FIG]

FDU, Tennessee Martin, Youngstown State, Lipscomb, Tennessee State... good to know who our peers are.

tennessee state pulled it out at home vs. Lipscomb. the game effort by Lipscomb improved them from 263 to 261, but it wan't enough to move them ahead of #258 RU. Rutgers wakes up this morning remaining at 258.

Games to Watch tonight...there will be movement
266 South Alabama at 212 Samford Will Tiger Woods be there? ....oops that is Samford
244 Arkansas St. at 254Tennessee Martin huge implications here, if arkansas state can win it could drop T-Mart below 258
210 Miami OH at 252Tennessee Tech go Miami!
234Eastern Kentucky at 250East Tennessee St. Go Colonels (thats E. kentucky)

316UMass Lowell at 348Central Connecticut won't directly effect our rating, but 2 of our OOC opponents set to battle

 

[bac2therac]

how is Central Arky doing?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

how is Central Arky doing?

Date Rk Opponent Result Location Record Conf
Sat Nov 14 320 56 Tulsa L, 98-81 74 Away 0-1
Thu Nov 19 316 126 Massachusetts L, 89-62 74 Away 0-2
Sat Nov 21 323 258 Rutgers L, 87-84 75 Away 0-3
Mon Nov 23 315 325 UTSA W, 98-84 72 Neutral 1-3
Wed Nov 25 297 236 Howard L, 73-54 68 Neutral 1-4
Tue Dec 1 310 68 Arkansas Little Rock L, 79-73 68 Away 1-5
Thu Dec 3 304 2 Oklahoma L, 111-68 79 Away 1-6
Sun Dec 6 306 27 Pittsburgh L, 100-47 76 Away 1-7
Wed Dec 16 305 68 Arkansas Little Rock L, 77-54 67 Home 1-8

their win over UTSA bumped them to 297. They could handle the pressure of breaking in to the top 300 and have hit the skids. they did play ARkansas LR tough the 1st time on the road, not so much in the rematch at home.

 

[SkilletHead2]

BTW, Pitino and Calipari were sub 500 in the NBA as well. I don't understand why people seem to enjoy being negative.

 

[essexknight]

BTW, Pitino and Calipari were sub 500 in the NBA as well. I don't understand why people seem to enjoy being negative.

List some things to be "positive" about right now. I really like EJ and want him to succeed, but its hard not to be skeptical at this point. I don't think people are trying to be negative. After how RU basketball has struggled over the years, the only fans left are die hards who genuinely care.

As for the NBA track records of Pitino, Calipari, and EJ, EJ may have enjoyed the most success of the group because of his time with the Wizards. EJ also did well as an assistant with the Nets. But, success coaching in the NBA does not guarantee success in college. There are some coaches who are just more geared to coaching in the NBA. Sidney Lowe is one of those coaches. EJ may be similar.

 

[SkilletHead2]

List some things to be "positive" about right now. I really like EJ and want him to succeed, but its hard not to be skeptical at this point. I don't think people are trying to be negative. After how RU basketball has struggled over the years, the only fans left are die hards who genuinely care.

As for the NBA track records of Pitino, Calipari, and EJ, EJ may have enjoyed the most success of the group because of his time with the Wizards. EJ also did well as an assistant with the Nets. But, success coaching in the NBA does not guarantee success in college. There are some coaches who are just more geared to coaching in the NBA. Sidney Lowe is one of those coaches. EJ may be similar.

My point was that not being successful in the NBA does not mean you won't be successful at the college level, with Calipari and Pitino being the prime examples.

To me, EJ was brought in to take an awful situation and normalise it. He's really done that to a large degree. People forget what a world of hurt we were in. I hoped he would bring us to having a winning team, but it was really only a hope. NBA success has more to do with personal dynamics than teaching guys how to play basketball. College is a completely different story, and it appears that EJ doesn't have those skills.

He's done a pretty decent job of recruiting in a tough situation. But he really doesn't seem to be the guy to take us to the next level, and so we are living through tough seasons. Whether he will be here in '16-17 depends on the finances. I'm happy to wait another year (and I'm 65!) if it means having a lot more money to spend on a really strong coach and assistants. I don't want us to go cheap again.

And so that is what it is. What I don't see is a need to constantly spew negativity nonstop.

 

[essexknight]

My point was that not being successful in the NBA does not mean you won't be successful at the college level, with Calipari and Pitino being the prime examples.

To me, EJ was brought in to take an awful situation and normalise it. He's really done that to a large degree. People forget what a world of hurt we were in. I hoped he would bring us to having a winning team, but it was really only a hope. NBA success has more to do with personal dynamics than teaching guys how to play basketball. College is a completely different story, and it appears that EJ doesn't have those skills.

He's done a pretty decent job of recruiting in a tough situation. But he really doesn't seem to be the guy to take us to the next level, and so we are living through tough seasons. Whether he will be here in '16-17 depends on the finances. I'm happy to wait another year (and I'm 65!) if it means having a lot more money to spend on a really strong coach and assistants. I don't want us to go cheap again.

And so that is what it is. What I don't see is a need to constantly spew negativity nonstop.

I agree with much of what you said. Its just a tough situation. I hope EJ can upgrade his recruiting and develop some of the underclassmen to give himself a chance of success.

 

[78CollegeAve]

Skillet -- I would say that Eddie has failed to "normalize" the program because his third year is shaping up to be worse than his first year, he has no recruits for '16, and he has, maybe, two legitimate B1G players on his roster. And he may have the least impresssive staff of any P5 program. That's not even close to "normal" for $1 million plus a year.

Yes, Jordan stepped into a toxic dump. But he just isn't a good fit. And that's being kind. In hindsight, RU may have been better off naming Cox as a 1-year interim and then letting the new AD hire a coach after the write-off season.

 

[Caliknight]

My point was that not being successful in the NBA does not mean you won't be successful at the college level, with Calipari and Pitino being the prime examples.

To me, EJ was brought in to take an awful situation and normalise it. He's really done that to a large degree. People forget what a world of hurt we were in. I hoped he would bring us to having a winning team, but it was really only a hope. NBA success has more to do with personal dynamics than teaching guys how to play basketball. College is a completely different story, and it appears that EJ doesn't have those skills.

He's done a pretty decent job of recruiting in a tough situation. But he really doesn't seem to be the guy to take us to the next level, and so we are living through tough seasons. Whether he will be here in '16-17 depends on the finances. I'm happy to wait another year (and I'm 65!) if it means having a lot more money to spend on a really strong coach and assistants. I don't want us to go cheap again.

And so that is what it is. What I don't see is a need to constantly spew negativity nonstop.

Very unfair comparison, as both Pitino and Calipari had a lot of success as college coaches prior to moving to the NBA.

I don't think this has normalized at all. We are bleeding the few talented players we have had, recruiting is God awful, and the coaching is very subpar, as the team is woefully and clearly unprepared. Amazingly, the team is as bad as it ever has been. This is not normal. It is crisis mode still. The only thing that has changed is our coach isn't throwing basketball's at players any more, but few could call that normal in and of itself.

 

[SkilletHead2]

It's actually a perfect comparison. People here are arguing that if you aren't a successful NBA coach, how can you be a successful college coach? Well, Calipari and Pitino provide two excellent examples of that. Both incredibly good college coaches, but subpar pro coaches. It's a remarkably different set of skills that are required for the two jobs.

The only thing bad in this situation is the coaching. EJ simply is not a good college coach. To say his recruiting is bad denies the reality of the situation. This club has a fair amount of young talent, and it is all EJ's.

What EJ has done, and this shouldn't be underestimated, is take us from being the team of the homophobic name-calling basketball at your head-throwing team to being a team run by a respected former NBA player and coach who simply isn't getting the job done on the court.

Now, one pretty much has to be Rutgers for this to be progress, but we are and it is. A new coach will not be coming into a dumpster fire, but into a program that simply isn't successful. That's why schools change coaches. Whether we do it after this season or next is hard to know. I'd like to do it after this season, but only if we can make a really good hire. If not, I'd wait.

The only thing I'm objecting to here is the unrelenting negativity on the board. Yes, we all can see what is happening and none of us like it. But who wants to watch a game with that guy who constantly points out every deficiency in his (and your) team, and belittles every glimpse of hope?

Not me.

 

[blockm2]

It's actually a perfect comparison. People here are arguing that if you aren't a successful NBA coach, how can you be a successful college coach? Well, Calipari and Pitino provide two excellent examples of that. Both incredibly good college coaches, but subpar pro coaches. It's a remarkably different set of skills that are required for the two jobs.

The only thing bad in this situation is the coaching. EJ simply is not a good college coach. To say his recruiting is bad denies the reality of the situation. This club has a fair amount of young talent, and it is all EJ's.

What EJ has done, and this shouldn't be underestimated, is take us from being the team of the homophobic name-calling basketball at your head-throwing team to being a team run by a respected former NBA player and coach who simply isn't getting the job done on the court.

Now, one pretty much has to be Rutgers for this to be progress, but we are and it is. A new coach will not be coming into a dumpster fire, but into a program that simply isn't successful. That's why schools change coaches. Whether we do it after this season or next is hard to know. I'd like to do it after this season, but only if we can make a really good hire. If not, I'd wait.

The only thing I'm objecting to here is the unrelenting negativity on the board. Yes, we all can see what is happening and none of us like it. But who wants to watch a game with that guy who constantly points out every deficiency in his (and your) team, and belittles every glimpse of hope?

Not me.

reasonable and rational post. If you are a fan you cheer for the team. For the sake of the program, though, Rutgers probably needs to hire a coach with a track record of success at the college level (likely from a smaller program). There are oodles of schools that have done that at various levels and had it work out well. Rutgers is in a big name conference and in a geographic area surrounded by loads of talent. Plenty of coaches at small time places would die for a chance to coach there. And they wouldn't be taking over a dumpster fire, just a program that has been underachieving.

 

[jakeknight]

EJ is a pro coach, his experience is just put somebody else's well coached players on the floor and basically run an offense, Never had to coach them up like you need to with HS/college kids.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Do any of you believe that 3 freshman and two sophomores
on the floor at once and your best player hurt,
could have something to do with it?

 

[rucoe89]

It's actually a perfect comparison. People here are arguing that if you aren't a successful NBA coach, how can you be a successful college coach? Well, Calipari and Pitino provide two excellent examples of that. Both incredibly good college coaches, but subpar pro coaches. It's a remarkably different set of skills that are required for the two jobs.

The only thing bad in this situation is the coaching. EJ simply is not a good college coach. To say his recruiting is bad denies the reality of the situation. This club has a fair amount of young talent, and it is all EJ's.

What EJ has done, and this shouldn't be underestimated, is take us from being the team of the homophobic name-calling basketball at your head-throwing team to being a team run by a respected former NBA player and coach who simply isn't getting the job done on the court.

Now, one pretty much has to be Rutgers for this to be progress, but we are and it is. A new coach will not be coming into a dumpster fire, but into a program that simply isn't successful. That's why schools change coaches. Whether we do it after this season or next is hard to know. I'd like to do it after this season, but only if we can make a really good hire. If not, I'd wait.

The only thing I'm objecting to here is the unrelenting negativity on the board. Yes, we all can see what is happening and none of us like it. But who wants to watch a game with that guy who constantly points out every deficiency in his (and your) team, and belittles every glimpse of hope?

Not me.

Well reasoned, Skilett. You are a heckova fan and quite patient!