I’d like some apologies
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One guy RK says Ace should stay a year. That’s funny. He’s a lottery pick. Let’s stop with that nonsense.
Disagree with this take. GG had ample good looks last season. He was terrible shooting and also at pretty much everything else.. Have you checked in to see how it's going for him at Nebraska?
Ha. Kevin Durant was taking like 20 shots a night and wasn't sharing a court w Dylan, although he did have some talent. I'm not even sure their shooting stats are all that different. Ace does need to pick up the other aspects of his game.
19 lol
Ace will be fine. Not every freshman will play like an NBA all star each game. He will put it together.
if you go to this link you can see Durant's game logs for his one and only year in college, at Texas. Really great, by the way - better than Bailey, for sure ... better than Harper, frankly.
Still ... some notes:
1) In his 2nd game he was 6-15 FG against Chicago St.
2) In his 3rd game, a loss to Michigan St, he was 7-19 FG
3) In his 8th game he was 5-15 FG vs LSU, with 10 points.
Generally, he was ridiculously good, BTW - Bailey is NOT going to be that good this year. BUT .,.. for example, he scored 37 points against Oklahoma St - on 13-33 FG ... in 52 minutes (3 or 4 OT game?). The next game he scored just 12 points, on 4-15 FG vs Villanova. Durant scored 20 or more points in 30 of his 35 games that year ... and had 37 or more minutes played in 16 games, 40 minutes or more in 10 games. Durant took 20 or more FG attempts in 11 games, 22 or more in 8 games, 24 or more in 6 games (3 times 29 or more shots). Durant averaged almost 19 FG tries per game, 6 3-point attempts per game. Crazy volume shooting! Of course, he shot 47% from the field, to his credit, and 41% from 3.
Bailey is not going to get those types of minutes for RU, or number of FG attempts. That said, in just 4 games (a way too small sample size), Bailey is averaging 13 FG tries per game, and 4.5 3-point tries per game - way fewer than Durant averaged. Bailey, also in those small sample size of just 4 games, IS shooting 44% from the field (not too bad given people's views he takes a lot of "bad" shots), and is 8-18 from 3, 44% also. I would not be surprised if Bailey is able to hit 46&-48% of his overall shots, and 40% from 3 (though that may seem like a high % from 3). If he does that, he will likely average over 20 ppg for RU, which would be just fine.
BTW: I am NOT convinced his shots are "bad" shots, regardless of what the announcers or fans say. There is no doubt he forced the issue against Kennesaw St - clearly trying too hard in his hometown. But he is a shot maker - and almost all his shots are with him getting his shoulders square to the rim, and him being so elevated that though they might seem contested, they may not be as contested as much as it might look like.
He scored like 25 against Boston U, yes, and then never did anything again. Yes, our offense bears some blame for that but he was way less useful than other players who were supposed to be less talented and he’s been crap at Nebraska so far as well.
The major problem regarding GG was just that he isn’t actually good.
Some of them are indisputably bad, like the contested off balance one from 6 inches inside the 3 point line he launched early in the shot clock on one possession last night. That would’ve been a bad shot for Kobe Bryant. But that’s a correctable issue.
"He did have some talent" is you describing Kevin Durant? Oh my... Anyway I Iooked it up. Durant shot 20+ shots only around 30% of his games. I'm positive on Ace but he has got a ways to go to get to the level Durant was at as a frosh. He also had multiple 15+ board games including a 23 rebound game (with 37 points) against Texas Tech.
lol. Ok that is better... but general point remains. Durant was all-ncaa basically when he showed up.
See my post on Durant's volume (both minutes and FG attempts) from above. Durant was a HUGE volume shooter ... huge volume of shots, huge minutes ... levels Bailey is NOT going to come close to having. Of course, Durant earned that volume with 47% FG shooting and 41% from 3.
I am not expecting Durant-like college production from Bailey. But I do not think it unreasonable to hope, even now, for 20 PPG from Bailey.
If he averages 15 FG's per game, for example (he is averaging 13.5 FG tries per game after 4 games), and if he shoots 45% only ( just a fraction above his current 44%, with the same 4.5 3-point FG tries, at 40% ... and his current 4 FT per game, at 75% ... that is 19 ppg, fyi. And that is not particularly outstanding or ridiculous. If he shoots 48% FG, with the same 2-point and 3-point FG attempts, and the same 40% from 3, and 4 FT per game, that is 210ppg.
If he averages 16 FG per game, 48% FG, 37% 3-point and gets 6 FT per game ... that could be between 21-22 ppg. Not Durant levels, but pretty darned exceptional. And possibly 1st Team All Big Ten.
Just giving it a perspective.
Yup, agree with much of this. Shot making is why Ace is a projected top pick. He'll be fine, and has been fine. From my memory, I didn't see Kennesaw game, he's only taken 1 really bad shot.
It's a bad shot from an efficiency perspective, yes, but it's not a bad shot for Ace.
I worded that weirdly wrong, meant talent around him. Durant was the alpha shooter on that team, not sure Ace will get to be with Dylan having the ball in his hands so much.
I’m not sure I understand what you mean here. Even if Ace is uncommonly good at hitting that shot I don’t think it was shot that helped the team win.
You want congrats, apologies, anything else? How about a trophy? Will that make you feel better?
My post was about the ND game and I think he took a couple others in that one (though I don’t remember which specifically).
Last night he took a similar one and I think one other one I thought was bad but was generally better.
He is an aggressive scorer and we can live with a few bad ones imo, though hopefully he can eliminate the ones from 2 inches inside the line.
I’d take a hug. I’m not materialistic - my love languages are physical touch and words of affirmation :)
Yep, I was not in a place to check his DOB.
My point was he can get a 5* Top lottery pick and not be a complete NBA rdy or college player. NBA drafts many younger players on upside potential & his upside is through the roof based on his athleticism.
It was very clear from the majority of takes on this board that Dylan was more complete as a college player right now and Ace is developing with a NBA skillset that scouts drool over. This is exactly how it's played out so far. Ace is gonna be erratic with stretches of greatness along the way. Anyone who hasn't seen him already grow tremendously with his level of engagement and defensive player are just ignorant. He clearly is a player that doesn't come around too often. We should enjoy both of them while we have them.
I was commenting on him taking a shot from 6 inches inside the line in general. If talking about the one he completely rushed early in a possession, yes, that was the worst shot he's taken this year.
Taking a shot 6 inches inside the line is bad for anyone. It has basically the exact same chance to go in as a shot that is 6 inches longer but is worth 50% fewer points.
Said it before and I shall repeat..
for now.. OUTLAW Ace's turn-around jumper. Yeah, he can hit more of them than he should but he needs to develop every other part of his game.
Oh.. I mean the one-on-one turn-around J's where he dibbles into it.. if it is in the flow of the game.. like he crosses teh elbow and receives a pass with his back to the basket and he goes up while in motion for that J.. that's fine.
But dribbling for penetration.. if it is not there.. then pass the ball.. know where you will pass teh ball.. don't resort to that turn-around J as the backup move. If he passes teh bal he is there to board.. if he backs off into a turn-arouund fade away then our 6-10 guy is nowhere near a rebound.. but his big defender is with no one to challenge him.
for now.. OUTLAW Ace's turn-around jumper. Yeah, he can hit more of them than he should but he needs to develop every other part of his game.
Oh.. I mean the one-on-one turn-around J's where he dibbles into it.. if it is in the flow of the game.. like he crosses teh elbow and receives a pass with his back to the basket and he goes up while in motion for that J.. that's fine.
But dribbling for penetration.. if it is not there.. then pass the ball.. know where you will pass teh ball.. don't resort to that turn-around J as the backup move. If he passes teh bal he is there to board.. if he backs off into a turn-arouund fade away then our 6-10 guy is nowhere near a rebound.. but his big defender is with no one to challenge him.
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