I hope people are patient with our new coach
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FIGHT. I think you are reaching with the 8=4 but positive culture beats negative culture every time. One of the biggest problems with our program, especially on this board, is the negative culture. They need to go. You need to keep fighting.
So... you're saying Flood was a bad recruiter but Ash should be able to do fine with the players Flood recruited.
Hmmm....
I just took that part and used it to rant before anyone gets any crazy ideas. I actually agreed with the rest of your post. I wasn't really addressing you per say. Sorry for any confusion.
SUBJECT---I HOPE PEOPLE ARE PATIENT WITH OUR NEW COACH:QUOTE] AND GENTLE TOO.Remember, it's his FIRST TIME DOING THIS.:sunglasses:
If thats the case - we are beat. Either Ash has to be an above average recruiter or an above average coach. If hes average at both, we are going to be out of luck.
I would have no problem being patient. I think we all need to see a few things: passion, an improved defense and on field adjustments to what the other team is doing. But, if we see some improvement in these areas, I think two things will happen; first, we will manage to keep the games closer and second, a buzz will start to grow around Rutgers football again.
I think next year we win anywhere from 3-7 games (yes, I know that's a wide spread), but the truth is, if I see positives on the field, I'm okay with even 3 next year. I certainly want and hope for more, but I'll take solace in the feel that the program has found its new direction. Last year, whatever the reason (because the why doesn't matter), we looked lost.
I think next year we win anywhere from 3-7 games (yes, I know that's a wide spread), but the truth is, if I see positives on the field, I'm okay with even 3 next year. I certainly want and hope for more, but I'll take solace in the feel that the program has found its new direction. Last year, whatever the reason (because the why doesn't matter), we looked lost.
But I read on here all the time how bad Rossi was. I would say but look at all the injuries and 7 dbs kicked off the team. Doesn't matter would be the response Rossi should be able to scheme his way out of this. riiiight. Recruiting is really all that matters. If he starts keeping top NJ talent home right away he has a chance. If he doesn't he most likely will not succeed.
He was terrible because he only played prevent defense the entire game, this year and last year. The schemes would not have worked even with good players. He was a good special teams coach and was way over his head as a DC.
If you want to bet that we will have a better defensive rank next year than this year I'm game. Now before you take that bet remember we were ranked 112th out of 128. That's 15 teams in the entire country that we were better than, yeah I would say Rossi sucked.
Keeping top NJ talent home right away would be nice, but we all know he's not going to do that. Maybe one day in the distant future, but it's not happening right away. What I'm dying to see is a pipeline of 2nd or 3rd tier Ohio kids (1st tier - OSU recruits, 2nd tier - other B1G recruits, 3rd tier - Cincy/MAC level gems). The best he can do in NJ is 2nd or 3rd tier and I think Ohio's lower level players are better. For years, we've seen what Dantonio/Kelly/Jones can do with lesser-recruited Ohio players.
I was under the impression that 2nd and 3rd teir Ohio kids go to Cincinnati? Also, is a 3rd tier Ohio kid necessary better than kids on our roster right now? Honestly, I would focus on a state like Florida. I can see a 2nd and 3rd tier Florida kid bringing speed and tenacity to the program. JMHO
Exactly! Stiil think ridiculous. If you really want to change the culture, should be here 24/7/365. It's Festivus we get to air our grievances! ;-)
Yeah that's true he was playing prevent defense the whole time. Another brilliant comment.
The defense should get better next year on shear cosching competency
But the 2017 roster scares me a lot
But the 2017 roster scares me a lot
There are a lot of really good football players lining up for RU next year. I fully expect to see some progress next year and will be disappointed if we don't.
It took about 2 ganes last year to figure out James Franklin had no idea what to do with Hackenburg. They had a strong defense and no clue what to do on offense. That hasn't changed in the 20 plus games since then. PSU then fired their OC.
We have a better offensive scheme if we find a QB to run the offense and will be 14 PPG better on D this year vs last 2 years....we bowl next year and beyond folks.
We will know right away what we have with Ash and this staff...we saw in 2012 in Floods 1st year that we had a very good DC and suspect OL and QB...it took about 2 games to figure that out in 2012....there's no way it takes more than 3 games to know where we are going to be....we actually may know by Spring practice....
We have a better offensive scheme if we find a QB to run the offense and will be 14 PPG better on D this year vs last 2 years....we bowl next year and beyond folks.
We will know right away what we have with Ash and this staff...we saw in 2012 in Floods 1st year that we had a very good DC and suspect OL and QB...it took about 2 games to figure that out in 2012....there's no way it takes more than 3 games to know where we are going to be....we actually may know by Spring practice....
good points....we could all see KF's easygoing personality translate on the field esp on the D/st's...I like Ash's aggressive personality similar to GS's chippy attitude...now lets kick butt again.
The defense was ranked 112th out of 128!!!
Sorry, but Flood is not coming back, time to move on dude.
I will be looking for baby steps and gradual improvement as we build this thing. I like ashes attitude so far. Not sure we can look at wins next year as much as is the foundation built right. If the foundation is right we will go to the next step and build the next level. My dream is that RU turns out to be the next sexy choice of up and coming programs. That has happened at other schools and if it happens here watch out. Gs brought to that doorstep . Flood brought us back to the 90s. Stay patient for about three years and look for good signs that the program is heading in right direction .
Before anyone thinks that my honestly is negative. I really liked the Ash hire and the staff thus far. Everything looks great on paper and their resumes speak for themselves.
I really believe that we have a much better chance to turn things around with Ash than we did with Flood.
There is no reason to believe yet that Ash can't turn this thing around a build a program we can all get excited for and be proud of.
However, I am just realistic about where we are at now (based on this season and who is leaving and who is coming) and just how much we need to go to get to where we all want to be (Top 25 program).
I really believe that we have a much better chance to turn things around with Ash than we did with Flood.
There is no reason to believe yet that Ash can't turn this thing around a build a program we can all get excited for and be proud of.
However, I am just realistic about where we are at now (based on this season and who is leaving and who is coming) and just how much we need to go to get to where we all want to be (Top 25 program).
No substantive argument from you as usual - just emotional putdowns based on trite coach speak catch phrases.
Hes in a tough position because of the division we are in and the fact that his track record is light - but that position becomes almost non-tenable pretty quickly if he cant show any improvement either on or off the field more or less immediately. Schiano recruited better than Shea even before he coached a game.
So ill stick with it - if next year's defense isnt improved or next year recruiting isnt improved then you can write Ash off. Those are low bars to clear - our defense has been putrid for three years. Our recruiting has been bottom 10 in the P5 for three years despite RU being in one of the top 10 recruiting states. If the guy can't improve on at least one of those right off the bat, then its tough to see him doing so later - because the failures build on themselves - bad recruiting beget bad play, which begets bad recruiting and so on.
Brutal honesty is rare to find on a message board .The schedule will get tougher every year and the talent simply isn't on board to meet the challenge.Recruiting better players is the obvious answer but the competition isn't sitting silent for Rutgers to catch up.Until Rutgers breaks through the resistance from top tier NJ recruits 6 wins might be the best to be hoped for.
The unknown to this discussion is how the media,fans,donors and recruits react to the transition to a new coaching regime.
Baby steps everyone, baby steps:
- improvement in all facets on the field
- improvement in all facets off the field
- excitement, enthusiasm, discipline
...forget about "w's" and "l's" for now. Very, very difficult schedule, new regime, can't worry about it in Year 1.
- improvement in all facets on the field
- improvement in all facets off the field
- excitement, enthusiasm, discipline
...forget about "w's" and "l's" for now. Very, very difficult schedule, new regime, can't worry about it in Year 1.
Well, yeah. If he doesn't produce in recruiting or on the field, he'll be in trouble. That's not really analysis, der. That's like saying e = energy rather than e = mc squared.
Ash has to get it done. We know that. Same would be true if Nick Saban had been hired. The question is where is Ash on a scale of Flood to Saban. We're all hoping he's a young Saban. The tea leaves to be read are in what he's done in the past and so far since his hire. I'm more excited about him now than the day he was hired. I like what I've seen. Give the brilliant kid a chance on OC. Straightforward and hard-nosed talk to the team. Passion. Dedication.
Could he fall on his face? Sure. We're all aware that this isn't a sure thing. The question is, as we go along: Does he seem to be doing it? So far, to me, the answer is yes.
Best thing I can equate this to (the being patient part) is the OSU hiring of some DIVISION II coach back in 2001 named Tressel. Some of the OSU fans went ballistic saying we could do a heck of a lot better than a successful D-2 coach. We all know how that turned out (record-wise/championships at least). My point: you just never know about a head coaching hire until he's given the chance.
