Not as risky as it turned out to be. Players assumed that the helmets really made them safe.
IM SICK AND TIRED OF THE FEMINZATION OF FOOTBALL
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Not as risky as it turned out to be. Players assumed that the helmets really made them safe.
My mother was raised in East New York. For those of you who don't know, it was a neighborhood in Brooklyn. What makes things confusing is that there is a town of West New York in New Jersey.
Good health is worth more than money and fame.
well ... years ago there really was a genuine lack of understanding - like when coaches, trainers and team docs in high school, college & pros would rush to a dazed (most likely concussed) player - crack the smelling salts, ask them how many fingers they are holding up - they say "2" (it is always 2) and stagger to their feet - and then the Coach / trainer/ doc says "you're OK - you'll be fine - you just took a good hit ... now get back in their and show them what you are made of" ... there was no real sense of the true concern that should have existed.
it is unlikely that anybody had a sense that they were not getting the best advice.... "heck - the coach/trainer/doctor told me I was OK to go back in "
Plus - there was little to zero understanding that there would be a serious cumulative effect - even in cases of repetitive lower speed impact - like linemen, play after play banging helmets - the presumption was that the dramatic high speed / near knock out hits were the real area of concern.... and tough guys could "learn to not be a pussy - and learn take a hit"
This all is similar to the ignorance that existed about proper hydration - some coaches used to avoid water breaks / deny water breaks - and preach that it somehow was a sign of weakness to need water - that has now been proven to be monumental stupidity - but it was ignorance not malice - no coaches were saying 'gee let's risk critical dehydration & push the kids to the brink of death'
It's also where the opening scene in "Goodfellas" takes place.
They used to have very big Polish parish back in the day. My wife's grandmother's bf used to go back all the time for things at his old church. VERY different neighborhood from his and your mom's day, I bet.
That's where I'm going with this.
I doubt George Halas (and the others) was acting like Mr. Burns on "The Simpsons" and would go "Excellent..." as guys would fall apart when they got older.
No one's really been able to effectively explain exactly why manhood or the American man is threatened in any way by political correctness.
I believe some of what you say still goes on at the college level. There have been some rule changes for player safety but nothing compared to the NFL.
no doubt - years ago, the significant authorities were all ignorant too -
- but it is disingenuous for those (and there are those) who, with a sweep of the hand, will dismiss all of the players' issues by saying:
"no sympathy - it is all on them - they should have known - they got paid and it is what they were getting paid to do"
It is preposterous to say 'they should have known' when the significant people around them - who should have known & were giving advice & directions - were ignorant
- and then in some cases it becomes true negligence when it turns out that the people around them began to know the true magnitude of the situation - but withheld the information - or actively misled the players.
That's why you should have bargaining unit to look out for you and to be the watchdog to make sure that kind of stuff doesn't happen.
But that being said it's still your body/brain and ultimately it is your responsibility to look out for #1 and #1's family.
Here is the reality of it. The media has made safety and head trauma a major issue. The players union is now very focused on it and care more for player health and safety more than ever...Teams and Ownership- not so much.
If a borderline player is forced to miss time from practices or game because of "protocol" they run a very real risk of being in the "doghouse". So, unless you get knocked out or it is very obvious to everyone, many players are going to do everything they can to hide a concussion from everyone.
As for how tough the game is or isn't...If you are not a real man and afraid of violence, then you would never have made it to this level. It is a very violent game and helmets, padding and rules will not ever change that.
One of the things that happen with all of these great new protections. A player can put a massive hit on a player and barely feel it. The problem is that their body is still taking a massive impact. But they hit harder and harder because it just doesn't hurt.
No one walks away from the NFL without life long pains and injuries, no one.
If a borderline player is forced to miss time from practices or game because of "protocol" they run a very real risk of being in the "doghouse". So, unless you get knocked out or it is very obvious to everyone, many players are going to do everything they can to hide a concussion from everyone.
As for how tough the game is or isn't...If you are not a real man and afraid of violence, then you would never have made it to this level. It is a very violent game and helmets, padding and rules will not ever change that.
One of the things that happen with all of these great new protections. A player can put a massive hit on a player and barely feel it. The problem is that their body is still taking a massive impact. But they hit harder and harder because it just doesn't hurt.
No one walks away from the NFL without life long pains and injuries, no one.
I agree with the OP. Football has been in a downward spiral since 1906 when Teddy Roosevelt threatened to ban the sport and eliminated the flying wedge because it was "too dangerous".
F&€king pu$$y.
F&€king pu$$y.
Still is a neighborhood. Actually the most western parts of the neighborhood are experiencing gentrification now.
Congrats on your nuptials!
Didn't Gastineau also have some move where he pretended to levitate a downed quarterback? I've never seen film of it, could be in my mind. I didn't watch many Jets games down in Maryland...
That's sorta borderline but you get his gist?? Big pay for big risks..it's a choice some of us has to make to live while we're alive in a style we can live with...or just answer phones or load trucks.Capitalism.
Speaking of capitalism, though, the NFL is a business--whatever their tax status may be--and as such that puts pressures on them. Pepto-Bismol October pleases women (though I wonder if it really helps ratings) and stories of broken down ex-players drooling on themselves as their brains disintegrate don't please anyone. I think it was possible in the 60s and 70s to turn a blind eye to this because most ex-players were too young yet to show serious signs of damage or the media just didn't cover it, but things are different now for better or worse.
Also, the obvious proliferation of PEDs is making players more dangerous. p = mv. Momentum equals mass times velocity. Bigger players moving faster means harder hits than 40 or 50 years ago.
Also, the obvious proliferation of PEDs is making players more dangerous. p = mv. Momentum equals mass times velocity. Bigger players moving faster means harder hits than 40 or 50 years ago.
Just noticed this post. I was born and grew up in East New York, lived there til Jr HS. Rough neighborhood. Went to PS 158. Was planning on going to HS either at Brooklyn Tech or St Francis Prep in Queens (Floods HS), as they were beginning to recruit me for Football in 6th grade, lol. Yeah, recruiting grammar school kids is not a new practice.
PS- Harrision NJ is also called East Newark, and it actually is in Hudson County, not Essex County like Newark is.
That's what's scary...the Damn PEDs creating good athletes into heat seeking missles without regard for "normal" health,safety or concern for fellow human beings. Shame how life has become so complex in 1 short lifespan ....football is so ingrained in our country were very hesitant to make the necessary adjustments for safety for financial and cultural reasons...I miss 50s-70s style bonejarring FB before PED's though I'm sure even then amphetamines and opiates were supplied as a matter of course by team physicians on the sidelines or in the locker room..
You must have been both an outstanding athlete and an outstanding student. At least when I was growing up, Brooklyn Tech only took students who excelled in the sciences. My mother went to Eastern District High School, which I think was in a different location than now.
Not sure what your point is. I think e5 is talking about leather fire helmets, in which case I understand his point completely. I was talking leather football helmet (which I wore in eighth grade). Football is a tough game. I played my share. But when we find out that repeated head trauma (even minor, if repeated) can lead to serious impairment and death, then we need to think hard about how to minimize that risk to the participants. I think football has made real progress with targeting rules. It helps both players involved in such activity. I think they should continue to look for ways to reduce the potential of CTE.
Don't know about you, but I've been watching some fantastic football over the past few weeks.
