In an alternate history where Pernetti stayed AD

[Ataylor1989x]

and the on- and off-field results for Flood were the same....would Pernetti had fired Flood two months ago? Before then? Would he be on notice for this coming season?

Just wondering......it's just a hypothetical based on what you know about his personality and management style.

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

Would we have hired Ben Howland as mbball coach instead of Eddie Jordan?

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

I think he fires him and hires Herman last year. I think I like how things played out. Ash and Hobbs has a better administrative hold of things and are better long term fits.

 

[nyctarheel23]

If you don't like Tim Pernetti, you must not like many people. Is it his fault his boss never looked at the tape(s)?
And on the basketball forum, I wonder if now that he has been endorsed by John Lucas as reformed,
I wonder if Hobbs would be able to hire Rice this off-season.

Recall that Hobbs (who I also think is a great people person) has gone out of his way to credit Tim for getting us
into the B10.

We'll never know, but I guess Tim would have fired Floyd before this season, and definitely would have hired
a Coach worthy of the B10.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

The guy hired Mike rice and Kyle flood!!!!!!!!!!

Thats enough said about his "wisdom" and "judgement"

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

If my memory is correct ESPNU changed their programming that spring to the Mike Rice practice video on loop. Kind of like TBS with A Christmas Story on Xmas day.

 

[nyctarheel23]

The guy hired Mike rice and Kyle flood!!!!!!!!!!

Thats enough said about his "wisdom" and "judgement"

There were many bigger (better?) programs after Mike Rice following his run with Robert Morris.
It was considered a huge coup at the time. When he became aware of the PROBLEM, he went to his
boss and said we need to do something. His boss ignored it.

As for the Flood hiring, I defer to you, as I wasn't paying close enough attention.

 

[Upstream]

Is it his fault his boss never looked at the tape(s)?

To a large extent, yes. He described the tapes as "not that bad." He was looking for an excuse to retain Rice. If, instead, he was looking for an excuse to fire Rice, he would have described the tapes as bad, and made them a central part of the case to fire Rice.

And, contrary to the false narrative that some on this board believe, the lawyers never told Pernetti that he couldn't fire Rice. They just told him that he would have to pay out Rice's contract. Pernetti always had the option to fire Rice without cause (just like Flood and Hermann were fired without cause).

 

[ruman]

No. He was looking at the LaSalle coach before he got fired

 

[ruman]

Who is Floyd

 

[Zak57]

No he didn't go to his boss when he found out. He came to an agreement with Rice to change his behavior months before it leaked. Pernetti is a media guy and he didn't think someone like nj.com would get a video and realize how much damage it would do? He screwed up even if he is a good guy. After all that he should have made sure Barchi watched the video.

Pernetti did not get us in the B1G. He was lucky he was just the steward there at the time we got in. His Flood hire looks worse and worse by the day even after he was fired with the stuff that keeps coming out. He set football back years because of it.

 

[Ataylor1989x]

I think he fires him and hires Herman last year. I think I like how things played out. Ash and Hobbs has a better administrative hold of things and are better long term fits.

I don't think that most ADs would feel the need to fire Flood prior to the player arrests, unless they had a slam dunk replacement lined up.

 

[Jonny S]

I'm certain that Pernetti fires Flood after the 2013 season.

 

[bac2therac]

The pining away for a guy who was a failure here...never ends does it..let go and move on

 

[hinson32]

An AD is judged first and foremost oh his FB and MBB hires. Pernetti's legacy is Kyle Flood and Mike Rice.

 

[RU848789]

No he didn't go to his boss when he found out. He came to an agreement with Rice to change his behavior months before it leaked. Pernetti is a media guy and he didn't think someone like nj.com would get a video and realize how much damage it would do? He screwed up even if he is a good guy. After all that he should have made sure Barchi watched the video.

Pernetti did not get us in the B1G. He was lucky he was just the steward there at the time we got in. His Flood hire looks worse and worse by the day even after he was fired with the stuff that keeps coming out. He set football back years because of it.

Yep, still can't believe people are defending Pernetti over the Rice fiasco in any way (or Flood). Only thing he gets some credit for, IMO, is the B1G entry, which he was very active and effective on, from everything I've heard.

 

[RURahh]

Pretty sad the way some have a twisted remembrance of history. I like Hobbs, if he can be half as effective as Pernetti given where we are now he will be a home run hire

If not for Tim, our rivalry game would be in Stores Ct every other year

 

[Plum Street]

Omg people need to stop with this pernetti love fest . The guy was a disaster . Look at who he hired . Jim Delaney is a pretty smart dude . He didn't need pernetti to tell him what to do . Tim just had to answer the phone .

 

[rubaseball78]

An AD is judged first and foremost oh his FB and MBB hires. Pernetti's legacy is Kyle Flood and Mike Rice.

Looks much worse seeing that in print.

 

[bac2therac]

If not for Tim, our rivalry game would be in Stores Ct every other year[/QUOTE]


Wrong..care to use facts to back up your wront claim

 

[Ataylor1989x]

I'm certain that Pernetti fires Flood after the 2013 season.

You're the only person to say that confidently.....why do you feel that way? Just because the Big Ten era was that important that he'd act swiftly?

The pining away for a guy who was a failure here...never ends does it..let go and move on

I'm neutral actually....I do admire Tim overall......I just thought this makes for a more interesting topic than others.

 

[MorrisAsh]

Pernetti is a loyal Rutgers son who would have happily stayed at RU for a long time and would have achieved everything you wanted in due time. As we all know he was thrown under the bus by an out-of-his element university president in a state that eats its own.

I played with and know him well. He'll succeed anywhere he goes.


I'm tapping out of this thread before I get banned like I did in 13.

 

[Knight Ed]

If you don't like Tim Pernetti, you must not like many people. Is it his fault his boss never looked at the tape(s)?
And on the basketball forum, I wonder if now that he has been endorsed by John Lucas as reformed,
I wonder if Hobbs would be able to hire Rice this off-season.

Recall that Hobbs (who I also think is a great people person) has gone out of his way to credit Tim for getting us
into the B10.

We'll never know, but I guess Tim would have fired Floyd before this season, and definitely would have hired
a Coach worthy of the B10.

Yes, it is 100% his fault that his boss never looked at the tapes. Pernetti clearly didn't tell Barchi how serious the incidents on the tape were. If he had, Barchi would have looked.
Pernetti was easily one of the worst hires in Rutgers history. He was a hiring and PR nightmare. Hard to imagine how he could have done worse. Luckily he didn't drag Rutgers down to far with him before the Big Ten invite came.
As for Hobbs (and Ash) giving credit to those who came before them, it's business 101. It's simply something you say in those situations so as not to alienate those who still fell loyalty of affection for those people. SOP in the business world.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Do any of you know if Hobbs has contacted Bob Mulcahy and Tim Pernetti for any input ? I think I read Hermann did at some point.

 

[The RUT]

Flood was a really bad hire. It wasn't the lack of experience that bothered me, it was the fact that he was hired to keep a class together. You can't have that kind of mindset.

Rice was actually a good hire. He was an absolute psycho, but the teams actually were competitive. Rice won some good game here. I enjoyed going to the BBall games back then

 

[PaKnight]

There were many bigger (better?) programs after Mike Rice following his run with Robert Morris.
It was considered a huge coup at the time. When he became aware of the PROBLEM, he went to his
boss and said we need to do something. His boss ignored it.

As for the Flood hiring, I defer to you, as I wasn't paying close enough attention.

His alma mater Fordam passed on Rice.

 

[koleszar]

Yeah all that stuff, plus he signed off on those God awful Power Rangers uniforms. He should have told Schiano, "What the hell man, our mascot isn't the Spawning Salmon's". :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[ru66]

"All credit goes to the people who proceeded me and positioned us to get into the Big Ten and to be part of that revenue share," Hobbs said. AND HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT HERMANN. Pernetti deserves much credit regardless of what some of the haters on here say--you are just uninformed.

 

[Knight Shift]

"All credit goes to the people who proceeded me and positioned us to get into the Big Ten and to be part of that revenue share," Hobbs said. AND HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT HERMANN. Pernetti deserves much credit regardless of what some of the haters on here say--you are just uninformed.

Mulcahy and Schiano deserve 90% of the credit. Let's not forget who built the house.

 

[bac2therac]

"All credit goes to the people who proceeded me and positioned us to get into the Big Ten and to be part of that revenue share," Hobbs said. AND HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT HERMANN. Pernetti deserves much credit regardless of what some of the haters on here say--you are just uninformed.

Who cares what he says...everyone knows it was Bob and Greg who got us in.

 

[ru66]

BS

 

[brgossRU90]

The bad job Tim Pernetti did while here makes me think he would not have done a very smart thing given the circumstances.

 

[RC85]

Pernetti is a loyal Rutgers son who would have happily stayed at RU for a long time and would have achieved everything you wanted in due time. As we all know he was thrown under the bus by an out-of-his element university president in a state that eats its own.

I played with and know him well. He'll succeed anywhere he goes.


I'm tapping out of this thread before I get banned like I did in 13.

I believe Pernetti would have made better hires if he had the $$$ available to him like we have now...$1MM+ for Eddie and $2MM for Ash. I am sure Pernetti would have the MBB practice facility done by now.

 

[wheezer]

ruman said: Who is Floyd?

take your pick:

or

 

[czxqa]

No he didn't go to his boss when he found out. He came to an agreement with Rice to change his behavior months before it leaked. Pernetti is a media guy and he didn't think someone like nj.com would get a video and realize how much damage it would do? He screwed up even if he is a good guy. After all that he should have made sure Barchi watched the video.

Pernetti did not get us in the B1G. He was lucky he was just the steward there at the time we got in. His Flood hire looks worse and worse by the day even after he was fired with the stuff that keeps coming out. He set football back years because of it.

This is the most revisionist version of events I have seen to date. Feel free to harbor whatever secret resentment you will but I thought we had all finally agreed to stop complaining about former AD's and coaches.

 

[RUonBrain]

Who cares what he says...everyone knows it was Bob and Greg who got us in.

RU66
You think Pernetti should get more credit than Schiano and Mulcahy?

For what?

If Greg and Bob didn't make football what it was, including stadium expansion, why would B1G have invited us?

And how did Tim get us in the B1G?
What did he do?
Convince B1G commish and other ADs RUTGERS was a good fit?
Wasn't that obvious to anyone who looked at potential B1G invites?

 

[Zak57]

This is the most revisionist version of events I have seen to date. Feel free to harbor whatever secret resentment you will but I thought we had all finally agreed to stop complaining about former AD's and coaches.

Which part is revisionist?

 

[cRURah]

I liked Tim because he was a former player and an alum but he turned out to be a terrible AD. Mike Rice and Kyle Flood were mistakes from the start. Both were small-time hires. Rice came from Robert Morris ( who? oh yeah, the one in PA not to be confused with the art and design college in chicago with exactly the same name) not exactly a MBB powerhouse. Flood was never qualified to be a head coach of a Big East football team, no one could dispute that based on his resume at the time. Don;t forget he hung onto the disaster called Fred Hill and endorsed him for another year until Fred pulled some crazy off-the-field stunt.

 

[Upstream]

Don;t forget he hung onto the disaster called Fred Hill and endorsed him for another year until Fred pulled some crazy off-the-field stunt.

Hill wasn't fired for his antics at the baseball game. Pernetti used that as an excuse to negotiate down Hill's buyout. Just like Waters wasn't fired for getting stuck in a snowstorm.

That's why I'm happy that Flood was given his buyout. It signals an end to the old Rutgers MO of looking for stupid excuses to reneg on contractual obligations.

 

[RC85]

Yes, it is 100% his fault that his boss never looked at the tapes. Pernetti clearly didn't tell Barchi how serious the incidents on the tape were. If he had, Barchi would have looked.
Pernetti was easily one of the worst hires in Rutgers history. He was a hiring and PR nightmare. Hard to imagine how he could have done worse. Luckily he didn't drag Rutgers down to far with him before the Big Ten invite came.
As for Hobbs (and Ash) giving credit to those who came before them, it's business 101. It's simply something you say in those situations so as not to alienate those who still fell loyalty of affection for those people. SOP in the business world.

Pernetti clearly didn't tell Barchi how serious the incidents on the tape were? If he had, Barchi would have looked? Pure speculation unless you were in that meeting with Pernetti and Barchi. According to CBS news report on 4/3/13: "In a statement Wednesday, Barchi, who took office in September, said he was told of the video in November and agreed that it would be appropriate to suspend Rice, fine him and send him to anger management counseling."

Sounds to me like Barchi knew all about what was on those tapes.