Total BS, Schiano's $2.3 million salary was already in the budget when Pernetti hired Flood for $750 thousand, he had $2.3 million to spend on a head coach but decided to go cheap on the hire!
In an alternate history where Pernetti stayed AD
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Based on Pernetti telling him that the tapes weren't that bad. If Pernetti wanted Rice fired (instead of looking for an excuse to keep him), he would have told Barchi that the tapes were bad and showed grounds for dismissal.
The budget was cut-everyone knows RU was under orders from Trenton to take a hatchet to athletics spending and reduce the subsidy boogie man.
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Nope. But I read the same accounts that everyone else read, and Pernetti told Barchi that the tapes weren't that bad and that suspension was appropriate.
This isn't true. We offered solid money to our top choice(cristobol) and also had enough to hire Adazzio who wanted to be here. When MC balked TP panicked and hired Flood. The rest is just stuff we tell each other to feel better.
Waiting for you to tell me what he did. I will always giv credit to McCormick along with Bob and Greg
Credibility gap? No one knows that because Barchi wasn't at Rutgers when Pernetti hired Flood. McCormick was President.
Same accounts where? OK, the President of a B1G university is told that the head coach of his school's 2nd-highest profile sport will be fined, suspended and ordered to anger management because the tapes weren't too bad? Barchi should've been be fired for his incompetence and/or negligence with the Rice tapes, plenty of accounts for you to read there.
McCormick was under the same pressure to cut athletics budget and balked at higher $$ offers as noted by vkj. My apologies to McCormick for mixing him up with Barchi.
Market rate for a young coach at a BCS school at the time. Believe it was about 1.6 but he wanted 2ish. Do you think he deserved Schiano money?
If I recall the back stories were that Cristobol intentionally priced himself out of RU's range because the Big Least was a dying conference. Ash is getting $2MM today, which was my point from the start about TP not having the same bankroll to work with at the time.
Cristobol was offered 1.6 and 4 years later we get ash for 2 million and you question Pernetti's ability to pay? IIRC, schiano's 2 million put him in the top 15-20 at the time. We have guys making 8 million these days. The budget was fine.....he panicked.
Pernetti wasn't given the green light to pay what Cristobol wanted so of course I question Pernetti's ability to pay what was needed. Who was in Pernetti's approved budget to hire with recruit signing day right around the corner in 2012?
Seriously? MC was in the budget and he balked last minute. addazio wanted the job and TP said no because he thought the Parochials didn't like him. I'm not saying he didn't have time constraints but the excuses are silly. Only on this board were we going to be stuck in some misfit conference. I saw our proposal to the B1G long before Schiano left.
Seriously you have yet to provide any evidence other than your hunches that Pernetti had the $$$ to hire the right replacement for Schiano. First you say Cristobol wanted more than we offered, and now you're claiming he was in the budget. You're all over the place, must be past your bed time.
What are you looking for? You want a copy of the contract he was offered? I get you like TP and maybe were friends in school but let it go. Lots of guys wear sandals.
I let it go a long time ago-what's done is done. You're the guy that changes your story to fit your opinion on Pernetti.
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Where did I say your opinion changed? I pointed out how you keep changing your story. Give it up bud, you're embarrassing yourself.
Story..opinion....what's the difference? The Money was there but the vision wasn't. Why can't you see that ?
You've already agreed that Cristobol wanted more $$ than RU offered. So stop talking in circles and show what money was where for whom.
Again, only on this site was our market getting left behind. It's almost scary how many people bought into the Myth we would be screwed. It's never been about wins its about money and Money is one of the few things NJ does right.[roll][roll][roll][roll][roll][roll][roll][roll]
Jesus H Cristobol. He wanted more money than he was worth. We had enough money to hire a solid coach. I'll go and look what 1.6 got you 4 years ago.
Good luck with that. $1.6 (by your estimate), 4 yrs ago, and about a week before National Signing Day.
Any of those guys available about a week before National Signing Day for what RU would pay? I guess you conveniently forgot those facts. Keep spinning bro.
You are the only one with the hunches about not having money, the money was budgeted from Schiano's contract but Pernetti chose to go cheap & hire Flood that is FACT, you are the one spinning that Pernetti did not have money to hire a better coach.
Absolutely agree, I don't think we could have made better choices than Hobbs & Ash. Nothing against Tim P, just saying I like this reality much better
People liked TP. He seems likeable. After that, I've never been able to see specifics on what he did that was impressive. I've seen guesswork on the B1G, while the real progress that made RU attractive to the B1G came from others. I've seen the hiring of Rice, one of the all-time most disastrous hires in RU sports history. I've seen the failure to fire the same guy. I've seen the unprepared hiring as our HFC, for short-sighted reasons, a recently demoted OC whom no other team in the country would have hired. And I've seen that hire slowly chip away at the foundation of the football program that had been built by others.
So what would it be like if TP were still here? There's very little objective evidence that things would be better, and strong evidence that things would have gone badly.
So what would it be like if TP were still here? There's very little objective evidence that things would be better, and strong evidence that things would have gone badly.
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I don't know how to judge the job Tim did as AD, but he was responsible for the final dance to get us into the big 10..... Now we can argue who laid the initial ground work, and that is fine, but Tim finished that job..... It took patience and diligence to get it done......
Possibly under a different AD something might have gone wrong and the big 10 would have gone in a different direction....... So I would give Tim credit for his work in those final stages..... The rest you guys can argue
To a large extent, the groundwork was laid in 1766 when the decision was made to put the University in the NYC market. The market was pretty much all the B10 was looking for. (In the press conference announcing Rutgers, Delany was so unconcerned about Rutgers' specifics, that he didn't even realize that Rutgers had recently expanded the Stadium.)
More recently, credit would go to the 2006 season, especially the pressure put on local cable companies and the NFL Network to ensure local fans could watch the Texas Bowl. That showed that the Rutgers fan base could influence cable companies, something that was needed for the BTN.
But that is not to say that Pernetti did nothing. Delany indicated that he and Pernetti were in continual communication since the Nebraska expansion. Pernetti had often commented that Rutgers would end up in a good spot, so he seemed to know that Rutgers would be selected for the B10. And Pernetti kept the school from panicking while conference realignment was going on elsewhere. (While you could characterize the Flood hire as a panicked move, it was more panicking about signing day than about being left in the BE.)
I think it is fairly obvious that Rutgers would have been invited to the Big Ten, regardless of who was AD or President, since the invitation was driven by the B10's desire for large eastern markets. But I think there is ample evidence that Pernetti did much more than just answer the phone one morning.
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Excellent summary...... A different AD might have panicked and pushed for an ACC invite around or after the last ACC expansion...... We also don't know if we ever received an offer there.... Another AD might have jumped at that instead of remaining patient.
I think an ACC invite was unlikely, since the ACC didn't have anthing like the BTN which could monetize Rutgers' inclusion. And even if the ACC did invite Rutgers, Delany would have immediately offered a B1G invitation. Then the BOG would have a choice of which invitation to approve.
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I would guess that it was possible the ACC might have extended an offer to RU when it looked like RU was getting serious with the Big 10...my guess is that they should have known somehow what was going on, before us fans... The ACC also is aware of the NYC market and might have done so.... and all this unknown to us.
The money was budgeted for Schiano, not as a blank check for any coach-you can't be that clueless. Any new coach and his salary would need to be approved by RU Admin. We've already been told that RU balked at Cristobol's $2MM demands...btw Pernetti did offer him $1.6Mil--you consider that cheap? Maybe you can come up with the list of HC candidates available and ready to risk it for "market rates" in a dying conference with a recruiting class on edge a week or so before National Signing Day. Any good HC candidate would rightly want more than a "market rate" given the clear and present risks at that specific time for RU football in the Big East. Pernetti was between a rock and a hard place with the terrible timing of needing a new FB coach in Jan 2012 and the incessant pressure on spending.
Completely agree with this analysis.
Don't see where you need to. Just realize that those who hate are gonna agitate.
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