injuries etc..Time for Jordan to GO

[bac2therac]

thank you bac for acknowledging the wins. You can also state that 4 of the wins last year were against top 85. I'm not defending his record but find it funny that you guys need to skew the already bad numbers to make your point.

Wrong...he is 0-36 against ken pom top 250 since beating wisconsin...it was pretty much a given that people understood its since its from that game and not his career but please do you really want go there because im sure that is some asburd 12-66 mark

 

[Rutgers25]

To the Eddie supporters: what do you think this year's record would have been with no injuries? MAYBE 5 more wins. Does 11-19 give you the warm and fuzzies? How low have your expectations dropped? It's insane. This program is so atrocious that in-state recruiting is not even discussed anymore. What kind of energy, passion or vision has Eddie shown? He has the mentality of a NBA bench coach. Turning around a crap program requires a person with a relentless drive to fix this. Eddie is not that guy

 

[jtung230]

Thanks for correcting your statement. I can't argue with the facts. EJ is 0-36 against top 250 after starting out with 4 wins against top 85 teams going back to last season. His overall record is bad so why do you feel the need to make it look worst.

@RU25, it would give me the warm and fuzzies if we went 11-19 with Sanders as possible FOY in the B1G. But I can't live in that world of hypotheticals. The better question is what were your expectations? Our record since 2006 is terrible. We haven't spent any money on the program and EJ took over one of the worst PR nightmares in college basketball.

 

[goru7]

To the Eddie supporters: what do you think this year's record would have been with no injuries? MAYBE 5 more wins. Does 11-19 give you the warm and fuzzies? How low have your expectations dropped? It's insane. This program is so atrocious that in-state recruiting is not even discussed anymore. What kind of energy, passion or vision has Eddie shown? He has the mentality of a NBA bench coach. Turning around a crap program requires a person with a relentless drive to fix this. Eddie is not that guy

That is where I believe you are wrong. I see that Eddie recruited Corey, Jon, Deshawn, and Nigel. Two of them have shown they can play in the Big 10, one of them is in the running for Freshman of the year in the conference and the best point guard we have had in 10-15 years. We only saw Deshawn for 5 games when he wasn't hurt and 2 more when he played hurt, but from that small sample size, it appears he is a legitimate low post scorer with moves, has good hands to catch Corey's passes, and will be a great offensive rebounder for us. Nigel has not played but all accounts are that he is legitimate to make it 2 Big 10 starting guards. Your question should be how in the world did Eddie recruit these guys with a crap facilities, our lack of support, our 24 year NCAA drought at the time, our 10 straight losing seasons, the negative recruiting against us?
I see not just hope but a roster for not just next year but the following year to be 10+ deep. The team will finally have the talent to be competitive. Yeah I would have liked to have seen it sooner in 2 years, but injuries derailed it, but it will be here in year 4 and year 5. From where we were post Hill and Rice, that gives me a positive feeling so that I can have a positive outlook for the future.

 

[Rutgers25]

That is where I believe you are wrong. I see that Eddie recruited Corey, Jon, Deshawn, and Nigel. Two of them have shown they can play in the Big 10, one of them is in the running for Freshman of the year in the conference and the best point guard we have had in 10-15 years. We only saw Deshawn for 5 games when he wasn't hurt and 2 more when he played hurt, but from that small sample size, it appears he is a legitimate low post scorer with moves, has good hands to catch Corey's passes, and will be a great offensive rebounder for us. Nigel has not played but all accounts are that he is legitimate to make it 2 Big 10 starting guards. Your question should be how in the world did Eddie recruit these guys with a crap facilities, our lack of support, our 24 year NCAA drought at the time, our 10 straight losing seasons, the negative recruiting against us?
I see not just hope but a roster for not just next year but the following year to be 10+ deep. The team will finally have the talent to be competitive. Yeah I would have liked to have seen it sooner in 2 years, but injuries derailed it, but it will be here in year 4 and year 5. From where we were post Hill and Rice, that gives me a positive feeling so that I can have a positive outlook for the future.

Isn't it obvious how he recruited
Corey and Deshawn? Both of them have been suspended for extended time periods for crying outloud...

I think Corey is a great player, but clearly there were issues that other teams saw that resulted in them not recruiting him...

 

[bac2therac]

The Eddie supporters want to ignore suspensions and transfers and wasted schollies. The magic wand injury excuse excuses all

 

[mrslate]

If EJ would at least try to make RU a presence in NJ high school hoops, he might survive beyond this season. But I don't think that either will be the case.

 

[goru7]

Isn't it obvious how he recruited
Corey and Deshawn? Both of them have been suspended for extended time periods for crying outloud...

I think Corey is a great player, but clearly there were issues that other teams saw that resulted in them not recruiting him...

When we are the program we have become you have to take risks. Deshawn is a Juco, always dicey at Ru, but he is a player with the best low post game we have had in a while and what we need. Corey is the best point guard in 10-15 years. Eddie tried with Briscoe who went to Kentucky. Negative recruiting is hard to overcome.
Do you think a Stanford guy is volunteering to come here. ? We have been in a bad hole for a while. In the Sec , they would start cheating to get better. Eddie cannot do that , but he has to take risks. No one is rushing in the door

 

[bac2therac]

Herb will clean this mess up

 

[goru7]

The Eddie supporters want to ignore suspensions and transfers and wasted schollies. The magic wand injury excuse excuses all

Who is ignoring it. Were the suspensions by Eddie justified? Do you support them or not ?
Yeah things did not turn out well with both Johnsons transferring or one not projecting to cut it academically.. Etou was a head case and Eddie gave him huge props but he did not show up last year and moped because everything went thru Mack and Jack. He was a huge loss as a rebounder that Eddie could not recover from when the frontline players all got hurt . Okay that is on Eddie but also a little bit of bad luck.
Your wasted scholarship point I guess is about Goode , which is a bad decision but a decision that can be rationalized because of the desperate need for a 3 point shooter.
There you go , your issues have been addressed and not ignored .
Now do me a favor and try and deal with reality and what this program has been for the last 10 years and some would argue for the last 25. Can you do that? Let me answer for you. The answer is no because you want Eddie gone. Your agenda is clear. You and the trio, make it known everyday . Step back and deal with cold hard reality instead of posting stupid Kenpom stats for this roster that the best coaches in the country could not win with!!

 

[RutgersDon]

how about the hc of GW or VCU or Dayton?

 

[goru7]

how about the hc of GW or VCU or Dayton?

Would have liked 2 of the 3 ! But neither one was coming close to this program. The guy at VCU, Wade , is in his first year of replacing Shaka, so no chance of him leaving.

 

[bac2therac]

all those things are red flags why Eddie needs to go. They are important but you are basically dismissing them.

 

[goru7]

all those things are red flags why Eddie needs to go. They are important but you are basically dismissing them.

You were asked! We're the suspensions justified or not? Do you approve or disapprove of Eddie laying down the law ?

 

[willisneverrana43]

. . . We're the suspensions justified or not? Do you approve or disapprove of Eddie laying down the law ?

Answers:

(1) I don't know.
(2) Kind of. But having consequences is only part of what's required to put together a disciplined team of student-athletes. There is almost nothing about how Eddie has managed the program, from his selection of assistants and recruits to the lack of consistency of purpose and system that I see on the court, that suggest that he has been managing or can manage that. Instead, I fear what we are seeing is Eddie instituting consequences for players who were likely to violate rules when they were recruited and haven't been sufficiently shown how to follow them since arriving.

 

[cyrock3]

OP just likes to call for firings all over the place. (Made similar post on women's board.)

 

[bac2therac]

You were asked! We're the suspensions justified or not? Do you approve or disapprove of Eddie laying down the law ?

yes I approve..that they are the best two players and Freeman 2nd and all he has to do is go to class..plus obviously this wasn't Sanders first time at the rodeo either. To me it represents there are some problems to deal with.

 

[imbazza2]

Right ! He should never have recruited guys who get hurt ! Hey. I'm not an EJ apologist. But it's very hard to judge his ability to coach when he has only 7 scholarship players, no height and a suspended star PG. And at the risk of infuriating the negatoids, I think it's only fair to point out that the team is still playing hard despite a depressing record and it's clear (to me, at least) that the kids are improving, both individually and as a team. Again, I'm not arguing that he's a great coach. I don't know if he is. But be fair to the guy and calling him a "hustler" is a little overboard.

I'm not sure about whether or not EJ can Coach. But I'm certain that EJ cannot recruit. And that is actually more important.

Jordan's resume at Rutgers has nothing to do with facilities and he took the $1.15 million annual salary knowing where Rutgers stood among its peers. He makes more than Lonergan and Danny Hudley combined. Or Mark Schmidt at St Bonnie's, which is ranked among the top 40.

If Eddie figured a way to teach and defend the 3 as much as he did deflecting blame for his performance we wouldn't be calling for his head. Or visiting a gym and developing relationships instead of taking a page from Steve Lavin and thinking he's smarter than everybody else

You keep on counting the losses this year like you are expecting us to win. Why continue to cite this depleted roster's record. Admittedly you and your fire Eddie trio, concedes Coach K, or Cal would win 2 games . So instead of 0-14 the they would be 2-12 and 259 instead of 294 in kenpom. What is the damn difference? This season is over and has been for a while. We are hoping to see effort, hopefully some improvement , a few freshman get better, a few sophomores get better. We have 3 seniors, that with the exception of 2 games that they each excelled at, but not at the same time or the same game , have given us little. What the hell do you expect ? Stop the repetitive bullshit. It is as old as your first posts.

the Eddie supporters just want to pretend we are not going to break the all time Rutgers losing record held by Littlepage, but also became the 2nd longest Big 10 conference losing streak behind University of Chicago who left the conference after settting theirs but also ignore 0-36 soon to 0-41 vs top 250 and 5-41. if they don't acknowledge it didn't happen and they are in pure spin mode calling us the loons

5-41 folks over two years...they just want to say that doesn't matter..of course injuries had little to do with 0-15 to end the year last year and 5-7 in non conference...they somehow feel Eddie is immune or not responsible for this. Its really stunning that 5-41 is accepted by some and a belief of some enormous turnaround for a program that cant coach itself out of a bag.

All this excuses above is not the issue here.
I am in Lexington KY, Valhalla for BB folks. So watched a UK game with one x player, one local HS BB coach and a BB fan-natic of 50 years. After there game ended and after the digestion of the game was over, I ask them to watch a Rutgers vs. B1G ten game. Yes we lost, but I asked for their reason for our failure, they all in unison said, "the players are athletic and could play with anyone BUT they are playing as individuals not as a team. The coach has failed to unit them and have them play as one team not a select group of individuals. Yes a lose band of players can work in the Pros but it does not cut it in college ball." I have believed this from his first season, these guys just confirmed it. with 3 seniors and they still do not have team unity another red flag
Looking at what EJ did in the pros (not much=yea made the playoffs with a 500 record one year[banana]) and how poorly he has done here shows that Eddy Jordon like most jocks took basket weaving and not psych 101, let along psych 550
Quite simply EJ do not know how to pluck the vital cord in humans to get them together as a team. Shit I learned that with my HS coach as a freshman. This man has been in the pros and even started in college coaching and still does not know how to do it, thus he never will. Give the man till his contract is spent, so Rutgers can bench mark EJ era as what is not acceptable in the B1G. Or does Hobbs cut him lose this spring?

 

[goru7]

yes I approve..that they are the best two players and Freeman 2nd and all he has to do is go to class..plus obviously this wasn't Sanders first time at the rodeo either. To me it represents there are some problems to deal with.

Yes there are problems . But Eddie is dealing with them head on , despite they being his 2 best players , despite him being on your hot seat, and not like some other programs that slap wrists and allow the kid to sit out until the under 16 timeout. It is a tricky situation. Without knowing exactly what Corey did and knowing what Deshawn did not do, it appears to be the correct choice that pays dividends down the road.

 

[KnightDC]

All this excuses above is not the issue here.
I am in Lexington KY, Valhalla for BB folks. So watched a UK game with one x player, one local HS BB coach and a BB fan-natic of 50 years. After there game ended and after the digestion of the game was over, I ask them to watch a Rutgers vs. B1G ten game. Yes we lost, but I asked for their reason for our failure, they all in unison said, "the players are athletic and could play with anyone BUT they are playing as individuals not as a team. The coach has failed to unit them and have them play as one team not a select group of individuals. Yes a lose band of players can work in the Pros but it does not cut it in college ball." I have believed this from his first season, these guys just confirmed it. with 3 seniors and they still do not have team unity another red flag
Looking at what EJ did in the pros (not much=yea made the playoffs with a 500 record one year[banana]) and how poorly he has done here shows that Eddy Jordon like most jocks took basket weaving and not psych 101, let along psych 550
Quite simply EJ do not know how to pluck the vital cord in humans to get them together as a team. Shit I learned that with my HS coach as a freshman. This man has been in the pros and even started in college coaching and still does not know how to do it, thus he never will. Give the man till his contract is spent, so Rutgers can bench mark EJ era as what is not acceptable in the B1G. Or does Hobbs cut him lose this spring?

Whatever. Pretty difficult to play with unity when half the team is in the MASH unit or suspended. Guys are playing out of position; playing more minutes then they can handle or should have to handle and learning as freshman while playing significant minutes (and out of position). so no it does not surprise me that the play lacks chemistry. You simply cannot evaluate this team's play this year. Cannot.

Its been said over and over again. This roster is depleted and it is extremely young. Only 3 upperclassmen - all seniors and one of them is a 5th year grad transfer. This roster needs more time to develop chemistry and learn how to play together before it can be judged. And its hard to play when your best player is suspended the best frontcourt player is out for the season and so are the two frontcourt backups and the upperclassman big man is hobbled by injury

There is no doubt that EJ took a risk on Sanders and Freeman. If they leave prematurely due to discipline then EJ is done. But he should have the chance to develop and coach the roster he has built and he hasn't had that chance yet.

Is it reasonable to be upset that they blew a 16 point lead at St Johns? of course. But at that time RU was even younger. Sanders and Laurent have improved significantly since December. Unfortunately the rest of the roster is depleted so that progress doesnt factor into wins and losses.

If Hobbs elects to fire EJ it will be interesting to revisit this board in the new coaches third season and see how patient this board is.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Whatever. Pretty difficult to play with unity when half the team is in the MASH unit or suspended. Guys are playing out of position; playing more minutes then they can handle or should have to handle and learning as freshman while playing significant minutes (and out of position). so no it does not surprise me that the play lacks chemistry. You simply cannot evaluate this team's play this year. Cannot.

Its been said over and over again. This roster is depleted and it is extremely young. Only 3 upperclassmen - all seniors and one of them is a 5th year grad transfer. This roster needs more time to develop chemistry and learn how to play together before it can be judged. And its hard to play when your best player is suspended the best frontcourt player is out for the season and so are the two frontcourt backups and the upperclassman big man is hobbled by injury

There is no doubt that EJ took a risk on Sanders and Freeman. If they leave prematurely due to discipline then EJ is done. But he should have the chance to develop and coach the roster he has built and he hasn't had that chance yet.

Is it reasonable to be upset that they blew a 16 point lead at St Johns? of course. But at that time RU was even younger. Sanders and Laurent have improved significantly since December. Unfortunately the rest of the roster is depleted so that progress doesnt factor into wins and losses.

If Hobbs elects to fire EJ it will be interesting to revisit this board in the new coaches third season and see how patient this board is.

It can't be worse than Jordan's three seasons.

 

[jtung230]

It can't be worse than Jordan's three seasons.

Something tells me you said this about Water, Hill and Rice.

 

[RutgersYay]

Something tells me you said this about Water, Hill and Rice.

Doubt it. I know I didn't. Was a believer in Waters.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Something tells me you said this about Water, Hill and Rice.

Jordan's the worst of those three. Easily. Focus on that.

 

[jtung230]

Jordan's the worst of those three. Easily. Focus on that.

You are what your record says you are. But being the best of the three isn't a big accomplishment either. I will say EJ also was handed the worst hand between all 3.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

You are what your record says you are. But being the best of the three isn't a big accomplishment either. I will say EJ also was handed the worst hand between all 3.

Bad hand or not, you must show progress from year to year and the program is on a downward trajectory. If its too difficult for Jordan than hire someone who has experience running a college program.

 

[ruman]

You are what your record says you are. But being the best of the three isn't a big accomplishment either. I will say EJ also was handed the worst hand between all 3.

Eddie gets knocked down to the Littlepage bracket

 

[bac2therac]

Something tells me you said this about Water, Hill and Rice.

the only one who was awful was Hill...and I hated he was coach, he needed to go after year 3 yet TP was going to give him a year 5 if he didn't show up at the baseball game.

As bad as Hill was, Jordan is worse..thats truly remarkable

 

[MADHAT1]

Doubt it. I know I didn't. Was a believer in Waters.

By Gary's 5th year he had plenty calling for his head.
But in fairness , his teams were competitive even though he never made the NCAAs (NIT appearances 3 out of his 5 years with o 12-16 in his second year and 10-19 in 4th , with one 20 win season in those five years.).
Gary, in my opinion, was a good mid major HC over his head in a BB Conference like the BE was at the time.

Freddie was a good assistant not cut out for the top spot.

Rice was a real good HC that couldn't handle the pressure and caused his own demise.

Eddie might be over his head, not suited for the college game or just not able to build a bad college program into a winning one.
As it stands now all three look like they might apply.
But I'll accept : the obsticles Jordan has faced i his attempt to rght the ship has had unforeseen obstacles and needs another year to prove he's capable of pointing RU in the right direction.
As it stands now, Hobbs might not see it that way because of how the product on the floor has looked the last 3 years and injuries might not be enough for him to give Eddie another year.

Every coach I mentioned deserved to go and Jordan's W-L record makes him look like he should too.

 

[imbazza2]

Whatever. Pretty difficult to play with unity when half the team is in the MASH unit or suspended. Guys are playing out of position; <excuses playing more minutes then they can handle <excuses or should have to handle and learning as freshman while playing significant minutes (and out of position)< excuses. so no it does not surprise me that the play lacks chemistry. You simply cannot evaluate this team's play this year. <excuses>Cannot.

Its been said over and over again. This roster is depleted<excuses and it is extremely young<excuses. Only 3 upperclassmen - all seniors< THEY SHOULD LEAD and one of them is a 5th year grad transfer. This roster needs more time to develop chemistry< excuses (it Frackin end of Feb) and learn how to play together <excuses before it can be judged. And its hard to play when your best player is suspended <excuses the best frontcourt player is out for the season<excuses and so are the two frontcourt backups <excuses and the upperclassman big man is hobbled by injury<excuses

There is no doubt that EJ took a risk on Sanders and Freeman<excuses (more a sign of a failed coaching effort). If they leave prematurely due to discipline then EJ is done. But he should have the chance to develop and coach the roster he has built and he hasn't had that chance yet.

If Hobbs elects to fire EJ it will be interesting to revisit this board in the new coaches third season and see how patient this board is.

You are what your record says you are. But being the best of the three isn't a big accomplishment either. I will say EJ also was handed the worst hand between all 3< still excusesl.

All excuses for a lack of leadership, inspiration, motivation by the HEAD COACH. All your crappie excuses come down to one common denominator COACHING COACHING AND finally .....coaching. KnightDC read what I wrote it is not the talent level as they played 1/2 a game with OSU and other teams as well. EDDIE JORDON did not take the courses he should of at Rutgers and nor did he learn as a Pro coach how to get men to work as a single unit and gel any of his teams they played like professional picking up a pay check. College is not the same type of game; in college you must motivate players. Eddie CAN NOT DO THAT for what ever reason.
If Hobbs has the buy out money Ed will retire. If not expect another year or two of non-inspired BB by a non-inspirational coach