It will Take CVS 3 Seasons to Acheive 1000 wins

[RUClassof67]

I loved Hobbs first two moves one in hiring Ash for the football team and of course letting Eddie go and the new men's basketball hire but not letting CVS go is a disaster. this team couldn't even get past the second round of the WNIT and there is no reason for any optimism. How can people say we have more talent on the bench than people think if that talent was that good on the bench than they would be playing. If she stays the next two years it will take another 3-5 years for this program to be respectable again and somewhat competitive.

So he's brilliant for deciding to replace 2 coaches who headed their programs for 3-4 years each and made great decisions on the replacements. (For the life of me I can't understand how everyone has made this determination before either of them has coached a single game). Yet he's a disaster for not replacing the HOF coach who has averaged 20+ wins the last 3 years and who has the best NCAA resume of any program on campus over the past 20 years. Hmmmm. I guess some posters want it both ways.

 

[BeKnighted]

'67 - Indeed.

And the possibility that there might be other factors in the decision than just W/L (which, again, was much better than either Jordan or Flood) seems to be beyond a lot of people.

 

[gigantor1024]

Dear OP, considering you've garnered 0 likes on your OP, it doesn't look like many other than the the first time posting trolls agree with you.

And what does it matter?
Whether CVS stays or goes, this program will not be anything close to UCONN and it certainly won't happen in a 1-3 year turnaround.

I cheer for this team as hard as anyone, and While i disagree with some of CVS coaching decisions her style of basketball is not killing the sport.

UCONN has made WBB irrelevant and unenjoyable. I don't enjoy watching non RU games and I don't get my hopes up anymore that we're going to make a run. The NCAAW Tourney committee just cares about the NCAA and money, hence why UCONN gets basically a homecourt advantage for both of their post season tournaments. UCONN brings the NCAA money from their fanbase alone.

No team comes even close and it makes it boring, dull and almost makes me hate the sport.

 

[El Curioso Impertinente]

So he's brilliant for deciding to replace 2 coaches who headed their programs for 3-4 years each and made great decisions on the replacements. (For the life of me I can't understand how everyone has made this determination before either of them has coached a single game). Yet he's a disaster for not replacing the HOF coach who has averaged 20+ wins the last 3 years and who has the best NCAA resume of any program on campus over the past 20 years. Hmmmm. I guess some posters want it both ways.

+1

 

[Scarletwoman]

+1

Plus 2

 

[RizwranIII]

Riz - You are so in love with your opinions. Set the program back for years? It is HER program. She built it into what you say you want it to be, although I doubt that.

Don't you also realize how quick and easy it is to turn around a basketball program? At least a BB program that is not among the worst in the country (see RU MBB for example). If the great coach you are going to replace her with can recruit two or three players her first year the fix is done, right? Of course, which great coach are you going to get with these facilities? Pray tell us. Maybe you don't think facilities affect recruiting. Do you think the Steve Pikielle of WBB can do it? 2 different situations right? BTW: That is not a knock on SP, I like the hire, but the state of MBB is quite different than WBB, no?

So we get it. In your opinion, WBB next year will be a disaster. As bad as MBB this year, right? The talent level of WBB next year will be as bad as MBB this year, right? Having her for another year, God forbid, 2 years, will totally destroy the WBB program, right? And what is your basis for this? The fact that she has gone from 28 wins to 23 wins to 19 wins, right? Plus your opinion of the talent remaining on the roster, right? Good thing you are not a MBB fan, those of us who are would kill for anything like those win totals. Maybe just a winning season. Maybe not finishing last in the conference.

Do you like Pikielle as a hire? Here are his comments on CVS: "Coach Stringer, a Hall of Fame coach, I'm very proud that you are here. I thank you. It is going to be an honor sharing this court with you, and, I respect so much what you have done."

Just maybe your opinion is not shared by everyone else. So far, you have at least Barchi, Hobbs and Pikielle lined up against you. Perhaps you might become just a little less certain in your opinions? Probably not.

Riz - You are so in love with your opinions. Set the program back for years? It is HER program. She built it into what you say you want it to be, although I doubt that.

Don't you also realize how quick and easy it is to turn around a basketball program? At least a BB program that is not among the worst in the country (see RU MBB for example). If the great coach you are going to replace her with can recruit two or three players her first year the fix is done, right? Of course, which great coach are you going to get with these facilities? Pray tell us. Maybe you don't think facilities affect recruiting. Do you think the Steve Pikielle of WBB can do it? 2 different situations right? BTW: That is not a knock on SP, I like the hire, but the state of MBB is quite different than WBB, no?

So we get it. In your opinion, WBB next year will be a disaster. As bad as MBB this year, right? The talent level of WBB next year will be as bad as MBB this year, right? Having her for another year, God forbid, 2 years, will totally destroy the WBB program, right? And what is your basis for this? The fact that she has gone from 28 wins to 23 wins to 19 wins, right? Plus your opinion of the talent remaining on the roster, right? Good thing you are not a MBB fan, those of us who are would kill for anything like those win totals. Maybe just a winning season. Maybe not finishing last in the conference.

Do you like Pikielle as a hire? Here are his comments on CVS: "Coach Stringer, a Hall of Fame coach, I'm very proud that you are here. I thank you. It is going to be an honor sharing this court with you, and, I respect so much what you have done."

Just maybe your opinion is not shared by everyone else. So far, you have at least Barchi, Hobbs and Pikielle lined up against you. Perhaps you might become just a little less certain in your opinions? Probably not.

I don't understand comments like "you are so in love w your opinion." and the attack on my character by DMD (In which I still am waiting for an apology).

I have been attacked for a number of years being a CVS constructive critic. Back then ,I was one of a handful that dared to do so. Now, in the interest of RU WBB, I am glad that more posters than not share the view that it is time for CVS to go.
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I am very tired of having words put in my mouth from the CVS fans.. It's been happening a lot lately. I will just address your commenst right now.

"So we get it. In your opinion, WBB next year will be a disaster. As bad as MBB this year, right? The talent level of WBB next year will be as bad as MBB this year, right? Having her for another year, God forbid, 2 years, will totally destroy the WBB program, right? And what is your basis for this?"

Where in my thread "The Beginning of the End" or on this thread did I say next year w ill be a DISASTER. Where did I say it would TOTALLY DESTROY the WBB program, giving CVS two more years.

Please don't exaggerate my points and then criticize them.

I love your passion for RU. We need more fans like you. It is great. I'm sure we both bleed scarlet. I know we both only wish the best for RU.

 

[BeKnighted]

Can anyone shed some light on this --- in order for Barchi / Hobbs to fire a head coach, do they need to find a wealthy alum to fund the pay out? If so, are there any multi millionaire alums supporting WBB?

I meant to respond to this sooner. My understanding of her contract was that RU had an opt out, presumably at a low or zero buyout, after this year. (Don't know if that's true next year or not.) I don't think the problem would have been a buyout, but rather finding the funding for a new coach, which I expect would have been harder after two high-profile, very expensive hires over the span of just a few months.

My guess, honestly, is that wasn't a big factor in the decision to keep her on. More likely, Hobbs decided that it would look strange to fire the one coach of a high profile sport who's gotten to any kind of postseason this year, and who had a winning record. I'd like to think he got how difficult it would be to make a good hire given the facilities situation (which he's trying to fix, after all), but obviously we don't know one way or another about that.

 

[Doctor Worm]

My understanding of her contract was that RU had an opt out, presumably at a low or zero buyout, after this year. (Don't know if that's true next year or not.)

CVS has two years left on her contract which runs through June 30, 2018.

She can be fired with zero buyout between now and May 1, 2016.

Between May 1, 2016 and May 1, 2017, the buyout is 35% of the remaining contractual balance.

After May 1, 2017, the buyout is 50% of the remaining contractual balance.

 

[BeKnighted]

Thanks, Dr. Worm.

 

[oldtimer67]

Riz said:
"***Due to the total falling off the cliff of the only thing that has allowed CVS to have seasons that most coaches would be grateful for....RECRUITIN.G"
"Does anyone really want to give CVS more than one year to hit the 1000 milestone. Again, mark my words. She will leave the RU Women's Basketball Ball program in total shambles.

Next year will be a .500 season at bet. I can't imagine the next year w CVS as the Head Coach."

So which of those quotes from your posts do you want to deny making?

 

[ScarletDave]

We have to run out of town a basketball coach that has taken Rutgers to the FINAL FOUR and the NCAA tournament as recently as LAST YEAR, and a team that if placed in any of the other regions besides the 2 games in Storrs would have been in at least the Sweet 16? LAST YEAR! And the team that was so horrible this year, still had 19 wins. One year that you weren't happy with the "okay" results and it's time to fire her?? Get your guys' act together!

 

[hinson32]

This is Rutgers we are talking about. You folks want to fire a coach who wins 19 games in a "down" year. What do we with the coaches of every single sport save Women's Soccer and Wrestling? Fire the coaches every two years?

She been to two Final Fours at RU and has played for a NATIONAL TITLE. Yeah lets fire her. I am sure the next coach using our facilities will do much better.

 

[RU old timer]

When it comes to efficacy, IF YOU DON'T REACH THE NCAAs IT MEANS NOTHING. FORGET THE NUMBER IF WINS. Not in the top 64....not good enough!!!!!

 

[oldtimer67]

When it comes to efficacy, IF YOU DON'T REACH THE NCAAs IT MEANS NOTHING. FORGET THE NUMBER IF WINS. Not in the top 64....not good enough!!!!!

Tough attitude. I guess that means the rest of the 300 or so schools are not good enough either.

The real question for you, is "What do you do about it?" If you are in the "fire the coach" camp, you better be ready to fire about 18 of RU's coaches. Up for that?

 

[dmd78]

DMD who the heck are you to accuse me of thinking my opinions are more important than others.

I believed it was a good new thread. And from the replies and views, I believe you owe me an apology.

I'm sorry, but I don't owe you anything. You are one of a number of people who do this - start a new thread when one (or more) already exists on the same topic. This is necessarily the case with you, but it often happens when someone is too lazy to read the existing threads. The football board is notorious for this, and I have tried for years to keep this from becoming the football board.

And yes, that's my opinion regarding the moderation of this message board, and I'm not required to justify it to you. (The truth being is that all i did was comment on your actions... I didn't edit, delete, or otherwise tamper with the thread.)

Fyi a quick search of this forum found no fewer than 8 threads in the past month where the 1000-win milestone was discussed:

Hobbs -- CVS will return (link)
Stop the Bleeding
Coach Stringer promises 'different culture' for Rutgers
Postseason
Jordan FIRED-HOBBS IS THE MAN
Games of Interest - March 4
CVS article on contract
the Beginning of the End

 

[oldtimer67]

Riz said:
"***Due to the total falling off the cliff of the only thing that has allowed CVS to have seasons that most coaches would be grateful for....RECRUITIN.G"
"Does anyone really want to give CVS more than one year to hit the 1000 milestone. Again, mark my words. She will leave the RU Women's Basketball Ball program in total shambles.

Next year will be a .500 season at bet. I can't imagine the next year w CVS as the Head Coach."

So which of those quotes from your posts do you want to deny making?

Seems that facing the evidence, Riz has disappeared.

 

[2bornot2b]

After Stringer: 1.The UConn Associate Head Coach 2.The GSW coach 3.The Iona Coach 4. The Temple Coach 4. The Duquesne Coach 6. The GW Coach 7. The Princeton Coach 8. Michigan 9. Whoever wins the Div 3 National title (See: Oregon State) 10. Tina Thompson (just because she is awesome). 11. Essence Carson (see #10).

 

[BeKnighted]

2.The GSW coach

I'm not sure RU can afford Steve Kerr.

 

[2bornot2b]

And the GW coach got scooped up by Wisconsin. Okay, let's get Becky Hammon.

 

[2bornot2b]

I did not realize the National Div. 3 title game features one coach who played at UConn. Carla Berube. I'm sure she will have the pick of several division 1 offers soon if not already.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

When it comes to efficacy, IF YOU DON'T REACH THE NCAAs IT MEANS NOTHING. FORGET THE NUMBER IF WINS. Not in the top 64....not good enough!!!!!

Spot-on!

 

[MADHAT1]

Spot-on!

WBB is still the program RU fans expect the most from and a 19 win season brings out cries for change.
RU WBB is lead by a HOF HC that has kept the WBB program above the mediocrity of some of the other RU Major sports programs and it will remain so as long as CVS is the RU WBB HC.

In a time when people are counting their blessings because of a new HC, with no Head Coaching experience , being hired in one sport and an experienced HC that was hired with a career 197-174 record being praised , Vivian is not good enough.

Both new HCs are valued additions despite the way I described them, C.Vivian Stringer is still the best HC for the RU WBB program, despite what those who bash her are trying to imply.

 

[RizwranIII]

WBB is still the program RU fans expect the most from and a 19 win season brings out cries for change.
RU WBB is lead by a HOF HC that has kept the WBB program above the mediocrity of some of the other RU Major sports programs and it will remain so as long as CVS is the RU WBB HC.

In a time when people are counting their blessings because of a new HC, with no Head Coaching experience , being hired in one sport and an experienced HC that was hired with a career 197-174 record being praised , Vivian is not good enough.

Both new HCs are valued additions despite the way I described them, C.Vivian Stringer is still the best HC for the RU WBB program, despite what those who bash her are trying to imply.

 

[RizwranIII]

Just think about how many programs were an expected W for RU, that have now pasted us. Some big time. Syracuse may have finally pushed me to post this, but they are from far the only example.

Longtime fans would remember Lousiville, now a constant top 20 or higher program was nothing compared to RU.

When was the last time RU lost its bragging rights to our turf, losing to both St John's and also Seton Hall (This lost was a blowout).

So tired of seeing" Hall of Fame coach" mentioned every time when defending CVS in the present time.. It had meaning NOW when it could at least bring in top talent. Now that , that has vanished, the only relevance being a Hall of Fame coach is for the history of the game after CVS has retired,

The only thing that keeping CVS as our coach will result in, is seeing more teams past us by and othesr put more distance between us and them. eg. Syracuse; Seton Hall

 

[RizwranIII]

I'm sorry, but I don't owe you anything. You are one of a number of people who do this - start a new thread when one (or more) already exists on the same topic. This is necessarily the case with you, but it often happens when someone is too lazy to read the existing threads. The football board is notorious for this, and I have tried for years to keep this from becoming the football board.

And yes, that's my opinion regarding the moderation of this message board, and I'm not required to justify it to you. (The truth being is that all i did was comment on your actions... I didn't edit, delete, or otherwise tamper with the thread.)

Fyi a quick search of this forum found no fewer than 8 threads in the past month where the 1000-win milestone was discussed:

Hobbs -- CVS will return (link)
Stop the Bleeding
Coach Stringer promises 'different culture' for Rutgers
Postseason
Jordan FIRED-HOBBS IS THE MAN
Games of Interest - March 4
CVS article on contract
the Beginning of the End

Diana. I have thanked you for your tireless work to keep this board going when it wasn't part of Rivals and defended u (rightly so) many a time against attacks over the years. You have passed the line to say I am Lazy. I have always had the utmost respect for you and considered you a friend.

Over the years, if someone else made two personal slanders on someone else, you would have told them the next step is being banned from the site

I'm sorry, but I don't owe you anything. You are one of a number of people who do this - start a new thread when one (or more) already exists on the same topic. This is necessarily the case with you, but it often happens when someone is too lazy to read the existing threads. The football board is notorious for this, and I have tried for years to keep this from becoming the football board.

And yes, that's my opinion regarding the moderation of this message board, and I'm not required to justify it to you. (The truth being is that all i did was comment on your actions... I didn't edit, delete, or otherwise tamper with the thread.)

Fyi a quick search of this forum found no fewer than 8 threads in the past month where the 1000-win milestone was discussed:

Hobbs --Y CVS will return (link)
Stop the Bleeding
Coach Stringer promises 'different culture' for Rutgers
Postseason
Jordan FIRED-HOBBS IS THE MAN
Games of Interest - March 4
CVS article on contract
the Beginning of the End

 

[MADHAT1]

Just think about how many programs were an expected W for RU, that have now pasted us. Some big time. Syracuse may have finally pushed me to post this, but they are from far the only example.

Longtime fans would remember Lousiville, now a constant top 20 or higher program was nothing compared to RU.

When was the last time RU lost its bragging rights to our turf, losing to both St John's and also Seton Hall (This lost was a blowout).

So tired of seeing" Hall of Fame coach" mentioned every time when defending CVS in the present time.. It had meaning NOW when it could at least bring in top talent. Now that , that has vanished, the only relevance being a Hall of Fame coach is for the history of the game after CVS has retired,

The only thing that keeping CVS as our coach will result in, is seeing more teams past us by and othesr put more distance between us and them. eg. Syracuse; Seton Hall

How many of the programs you're talking about had their schools start supporting their WBB program better than RU has its WBB program.
It's the RU HOF WBB HC that is keeping the Rutgers Women's Basketball program from having a free-fall into the depths of mediocrity.
2008–09 Rutgers 21–13 9–7 7th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2009–10 Rutgers 18–15 9–7 T-6th NCAA First round
2010–11 Rutgers 20–13 11–5 4th NCAA Second Round
2011–12 Rutgers 20–13 10–6 6th NCAA First round
2012–13 Rutgers 16–14 7–9 T-9th
Rutgers Scarlet Knights (American Athletic Conference) (2013–2014)
2013–14 Rutgers 28–9 12–6 4th WNIT Champions
Rutgers Scarlet Knights (Big Ten Conference) (2014–present)
2014–15 Rutgers 23–10 12–6 5th
2015–16 Rutgers 19–15 7–9 8th WNIT Second Round
is not the greatest, but isn't the terrible coached program some try to make it out to be.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

OMG enough with the past already. Recruiting has been downhill, we haven't made the NCAA's in 2 years, programs we were much superior to less than a decade ago have blown by us, and her coaching style simply doesn't work as well in today's game, yet, she refuses to change. CVS has done a GREAT job at RU but don't sit here and tell me she is best option, going into the future, for RU.

EDIT: got my years confused forgot NIT was 2 years ago; we missed the NCAA in 2013, 2014 and 2016. My bad!

 

[BeKnighted]

Uh, the team made the NCAAs last year and won in the 1st round. I won't say it's what I want, but please at least get your facts right.

 

[MADHAT1]

OMG enough with the past already. Recruiting has been downhill, we haven't made the NCAA's in 2 years, programs we were much superior to less than a decade ago have blown by us, and her coaching style simply doesn't work as well in today's game, yet, she refuses to change. CVS has done a GREAT job at RU but don't sit here and tell me she is best option, going into the future, for RU.

For the future, probably not.
For the present, yes and that's why Hobbs is bringing her back.
After next season I'm sure the RU AD will evaluate how much she means to RU WBB's future.
Changing just for change doesn't seem like something Hobbs will do, but change that is needed
is something the RU AD doesn't shy away from.

As for her coaching style, night not work the way it used to , but still keeps the RU WBB program's head above water, even without the help from RU needed to keep it afloat.
It's easy to say RU should look for a replacement, but does Hobbs have the funds to bring in a quality replacement and would that replacement take a chance on RU with the facilities it has to offer now and be willing to wait till Hobbs has enough funds to start upgrading both Basketball programs.
Hobbs paid market rate for the HCs he hired, but the rate he paid was for a top P-5 FB assistant moving up and taking a chance in bringing in a HC that had sucess at a lower program, but wasn't an instant success there.
Neither broke the bank, just received more than RU's usual on the cheap starting pay.
Whoever Hobbs would hire to replace a proven winner, wouldn't be coming into a school that has facilities to sell to the recruits and wouldn't be a name that would bring them in.
Like FB and MBB Hobbs would bring in good coaches, but not ones that he outbid other P-5 programs for or ones that feel they have better support where they are now.

RU needs someone who can overcome the drawbacks facing HC of the basketball programs and right now RU can't afford to gamble on replacing Stringer with someone might be better than CVS is now.
Stringer was close to the bubble before it burst, Hobbs is right in bringing her back, even if the Vivian can't coach crowd doesn't like it.
RU WBB is still a winning program and CVS deserves to be its HC and be given the chance to prove she can bring RU WBB to the Tourney next season.

In closing: We know Hobbs is bringing Vivian Stringer back, LIVE WITH THAT DECISION!
Yes I yelled it out, some just don't seem to understand when told CVS is coming back and constantly act like their disapproval will get her fired.

 

[Scarletwoman]

OMG enough with the past already. Recruiting has been downhill, we haven't made the NCAA's in 2 years, programs we were much superior to less than a decade ago have blown by us, and her coaching style simply doesn't work as well in today's game, yet, she refuses to change. CVS has done a GREAT job at RU but don't sit here and tell me she is best option, going into the future, for RU.

BULL!

 

[Knight Time Fan]

I did not realize the National Div. 3 title game features one coach who played at UConn. Carla Berube. I'm sure she will have the pick of several division 1 offers soon if not already.

Sorry to bust any bubbles. By far the most successful of the Geno coaching tree, she has absolutely no desire to leave Tufts or to coach at the DI level.

If she moved up, she would be one of the few "out" DI head coaches, which of course could be a factor, however, it is far more likely that she simply enjoys the less pressure filled environment. She has been phenomenally successful for a number of years at Tufts, BTW.

 

[Knight Time Fan]

Just think about how many programs were an expected W for RU, that have now pasted us. Some big time. Syracuse may have finally pushed me to post this, but they are from far the only example.

Longtime fans would remember Lousiville, now a constant top 20 or higher program was nothing compared to RU.

When was the last time RU lost its bragging rights to our turf, losing to both St John's and also Seton Hall (This lost was a blowout).

So tired of seeing" Hall of Fame coach" mentioned every time when defending CVS in the present time.. It had meaning NOW when it could at least bring in top talent. Now that , that has vanished, the only relevance being a Hall of Fame coach is for the history of the game after CVS has retired,

The only thing that keeping CVS as our coach will result in, is seeing more teams past us by and othesr put more distance between us and them. eg. Syracuse; Seton Hall

"Q" has been at Syracuse 10 years. It took him 7 seasons to make the NCAA's, after 5 years in a row making the WNIT (their record was quite good most years). Only losing season was his first. Walz has been at Louisville 9 years. Hard to believe. After 2 years of riding Angel, he actually had a losing season before beginning to achieve wonderful success on his recruiting.

My point is this is 2 schools who clearly made the right hire. But in different ways, even though they achieved great success, it wasn't 100% overnight or smooth sailing. And these are considered 2 of the top "younger" coaches out there.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

BULL!

NOT BULL!!!

Sorry couldn't resist, but I'm only speaking the truth (about recruiting and "the game") btw...and I've stated several times now that I'm fine with her riding out the current contract. Completely understandable.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

For the future, probably not.
For the present, yes and that's why Hobbs is bringing her back.
After next season I'm sure the RU AD will evaluate how much she means to RU WBB's future.
Changing just for change doesn't seem like something Hobbs will do, but change that is needed
is something the RU AD doesn't shy away from.

As for her coaching style, night not work the way it used to , but still keeps the RU WBB program's head above water, even without the help from RU needed to keep it afloat.
It's easy to say RU should look for a replacement, but does Hobbs have the funds to bring in a quality replacement and would that replacement take a chance on RU with the facilities it has to offer now and be willing to wait till Hobbs has enough funds to start upgrading both Basketball programs.
Hobbs paid market rate for the HCs he hired, but the rate he paid was for a top P-5 FB assistant moving up and taking a chance in bringing in a HC that had sucess at a lower program, but wasn't an instant success there.
Neither broke the bank, just received more than RU's usual on the cheap starting pay.
Whoever Hobbs would hire to replace a proven winner, wouldn't be coming into a school that has facilities to sell to the recruits and wouldn't be a name that would bring them in.
Like FB and MBB Hobbs would bring in good coaches, but not ones that he outbid other P-5 programs for or ones that feel they have better support where they are now.

RU needs someone who can overcome the drawbacks facing HC of the basketball programs and right now RU can't afford to gamble on replacing Stringer with someone might be better than CVS is now.
Stringer was close to the bubble before it burst, Hobbs is right in bringing her back, even if the Vivian can't coach crowd doesn't like it.
RU WBB is still a winning program and CVS deserves to be its HC and be given the chance to prove she can bring RU WBB to the Tourney next season.

In closing: We know Hobbs is bringing Vivian Stringer back, LIVE WITH THAT DECISION!
Yes I yelled it out, some just don't seem to understand when told CVS is coming back and constantly act like their disapproval will get her fired.

It's a conversation about THE FUTURE not today. I'm not trying to get anybody "fired." Thanks.

 

[MADHAT1]

It's a conversation about THE FUTURE not today. I'm not trying to get anybody "fired." Thanks.

Actually the intent of the OP was that Vivian must go now , that's the present.
Vivian's contract is up in 2 years and until then the present needs to be taken care of first.
Make a mistake now and the future will be be affected and the WBB program can go into the type of decline many posters that are criticizing CVS ' coaching are implying now.
If you don't want Stringer fired your posting:
>"OMG enough with the past already. Recruiting has been downhill, we haven't made the NCAA's in 2 years, programs we were much superior to less than a decade ago have blown by us, and her coaching style simply doesn't work as well in today's game, yet, she refuses to change. CVS has done a GREAT job at RU but don't sit here and tell me she is best option, going into the future, for RU."< doesn't look like a post not saying the HC needs to be replaced ASAP. .

In my opinion, you made a point of showing you feel Stringer needs to be replaced because she won't change her coaching style and RU's going downhill because of it.
I feel the present affects the future and that's why I implied C.Vivian Stringer probably won't be part of the RU WBB program's future, but shown why the present coaching situation and keeping her will make the future better than replacing her just to make a change.
Also posted the fact that RU is still a winning program under it's current HOF HC and that might not be the case in the future if she's replaced by someone that finds the obstacles to making RU WBB great again more than that new HC can handle.

Maybe I was too harsh implying you're trying to get CVS fired, but to me it looked like you were implying she needs to be replaced now.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Actually the intent of the OP was that Vivian must go now , that's the present.
Vivian's contract is up in 2 years and until then the present needs to be taken care of first.
Make a mistake now and the future will be be affected and the WBB program can go into the type of decline many posters that are criticizing CVS ' coaching are implying now.
If you don't want Stringer fired your posting:
>"OMG enough with the past already. Recruiting has been downhill, we haven't made the NCAA's in 2 years, programs we were much superior to less than a decade ago have blown by us, and her coaching style simply doesn't work as well in today's game, yet, she refuses to change. CVS has done a GREAT job at RU but don't sit here and tell me she is best option, going into the future, for RU."< doesn't look like a post not saying the HC needs to be replaced ASAP. .

In my opinion, you made a point of showing you feel Stringer needs to be replaced because she won't change her coaching style and RU's going downhill because of it.
I feel the present affects the future and that's why I implied C.Vivian Stringer probably won't be part of the RU WBB program's future, but shown why the present coaching situation and keeping her will make the future better than replacing her just to make a change.
Also posted the fact that RU is still a winning program under it's current HOF HC and that might not be the case in the future if she's replaced by someone that finds the obstacles to making RU WBB great again more than that new HC can handle.

Maybe I was too harsh implying you're trying to get CVS fired, but to me it looked like you were implying she needs to be replaced now.

Way too much babbling. I don't want her fired now, and know damn well it's not happening as Hobbs has already stated as much, so please don't tell me what I am, or am not, implying. Thank you.

 

[MADHAT1]

Way too much babbling. I don't want her fired now, and know damn well it's not happening as Hobbs has already stated as much, so please don't tell me what I am, or am not, implying. Thank you.

I call it the way I see it and if you say you're not implying, I'll accept what you say.
As for "Way too much babbling" sorry you look at it that way.
But thanks for letting me know what you think about my reply .

 

[BeKnighted]

Take this for what it's worth - I went to lunch today with a group that regularly gets together at the WFF and, in talking about CVS and RU, the view I heard from a former coach (who will go unnamed) was that not letting her finish out her contract would make it harder to hire a new coach.

Also, nobody thinks Staley would come to RU from South Carolina.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I call it the way I see it and if you say you're not implying, I'll accept what you say.
As for "Way too much babbling" sorry you look at it that way.
But thanks for letting me know what you think about my reply .

Sorry, that may have been a tad harsh. Many others around here ramble on a lot longer, for a lot less, than your response. My bad. [cheers]

 

[2bornot2b]

As one listening to analysis of how rule changes to the game favor the approach taken by Syracuse, I hope the coming "culture change" goes along those lines. Shoot the ball! Deflect the boards! And play awesome pressure defense. CVS has such a mind for "discipline" I hope she can see this is also a kind of discipline. jmho