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Jonah Jackson to Ohio State
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A bunch of departing players saw improved performance when Ash finally realized a 2.5 year mistake and took direct control of the defense... and now most of those players are gone, and he has decided to hire a new DC with questionable prior success to lead his defense instead of keeping ownership of it.
He botched on offense right out of the gate and has run through almost a dozen different QBs on the roster in just 4 years, and to the point of this thread just lost a senior captain to a divisional competitor for his 5th year (which is just a crazy thing to even type).
I don't blame Jackson for seeking greener pastures, especially if he has the opportunity to have much higher level coaching, spotlight, and success. In our 4th year with this head coach, we're crossing our fingers that we can somehow edge out UMass and Liberty on our home field in front of 25K people.
I just renewed today, and it feels like I'm just throwing away that money. If Ash is somehow retained without miraculously turning in a 5+ win season with a bevy of 4* commitments, I'm going to find it really hard to justify that again in 2020.
Another reason to not sweat redshirting players....different times now 5 th year players that graduate got a lot of options. If Jackson was so great why not the NFL draft?
A rise in grad transfers (and other no-sit transfers) is actually another reason *to* sweat redshirting players - lose a scholarship for a year on the redshirt, then only get 3 (or fewer) years on the field before he moves on.
So you don't blame Jackson for making the move, but you blame Ash? Because he did not make Rutgers Ohio State?
And a dozen QBs?
Laviano (who would have graduated anyway), Oden, Gio, Lewis, Bolin, and Sitkowski. Unless I missed someone, that is a half dozen.
Look, I'm not defending Ash. But I am also recognizing that he was dealt a very bad hand with what Flood left (and actually didn't leave), and he did not have the smarts to hire an experienced OC or guy like kill to take control of the offense. He readily admits that he has no clue about running the offense--so why he brought in Mehringer with an OL coach whose resume included Winona State and nothing else of consequence was a recipe for disaster. That's all on him. Perhaps, and I am not holding my breath, with a second year OC and some experience, the offense will show progress. If the offense stays the same or gets worse, he should be fired mid season.
Maybe Jonah will sit out the OSU bowl game.
Why take a chance on getting injured and jeopardizing your draft status and payday
Why take a chance on getting injured and jeopardizing your draft status and payday
If OSU makes a bowl this year ! This is the year that UM/Jim thumps them in Ann Arbor.
Imagine being such a shriveled up shell of a subhuman that you judge people based on what kind of car they drive. Dude, I chose the Prius. Why do you think it would bother me when you point out I drive it? It's not like when I make fun of your rank stupidity, which is clearly something you'd opt out of if you could.
By the way, the other car in my driveway is a Mercedes.
I don't blame Jackson for leaving a sinking ship. He has only one scholarship season left, and this Rutgers season is essentially a write off already.
It's not about making us Ohio State - he hasn't even made us Indiana or Purdue, let alone Minnesota or Northwestern. He hasn't been able to make us in any way a respectable P5 program that doesn't lose its senior captains to other programs *in its own division* (or attract enough talent to even be in the top half of P5 team rankings each year).
As for QBs in the room during Ash's first 4 seasons: Laviano, Allen, Oden, Rescigno, Bolin, Lewis, Sitkowski, Flacco, Chatman, Langan, Wise, and Snyder. That'll be 12 guys in 4 seasons.
That was my point play freshman and dont sweat it. Sorry you did not understand my post.....it made perfect sense to me.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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Also Rettig and Dare, and we had the commit that went to Temple after Ash said he was changing the offense.
Best of luck to you Jonah. Wish you had stayed but you'll get top notch coaching and a chance to showcase yourself in a big time environment.
Hopefully the Jets can get you in 2020.
Hopefully the Jets can get you in 2020.
Let's review that vaunted QB room:
Rettig- are you joking? Flamed out at Tennessee Tech. Nice young man.
Dare- surpassed by a Freshman at Sam Houston State
Russo- does not count, was never here.
And to @RUChoppin - how many QBs do you think is a good number over 4 years? Do you want fewer? For such a key position, would hope there is a starter, a backup and a third stringer/scout QB.
I don't fault Ash for trying with Allen and Bolin. He tried and did not succeed. Have more of an issue with the way Laviano was handled, as well as Jonathan Lewis.
I don't buy that for a second. Ash dug a deeper hole for himself. See what Kill said about what Fleck did at Minny. That also describes what Ash did at RU. That does not even take into consideration his many other self inflicted wounds right out of the gate. How do you lose so many recruits after meeting with them because you are trying to protect you own butt by lowering expectations. The way he did it was amateurish and stupid. He told recruits that things were so bad at RU that it will be their Senior year before they have a chance to be in a bowl game. Way to get kids excited about coming to RU. You have to sell hope. Every kid that had options to committed because they did not want to wait for their Senior year to have a chance to be in a bowl game.
There was more talent on this team left over from KF than there is now, and it has trended down since day 1.
Always wondered about Rettig. How does a guy go from being a recruit for LSU to sitting the bench at Tennessee Tech?
Ratings are not perfect. RU seems to have very bad luck with 4 and 5 stars. A few have hit, but there have been more misses than hits.
Yeah, but the culture was broken at Rutgers. Go back and read this board during the 2015 season and towards the end. Flood drove the program into the cesspool. A culture change was definitely needed.
I agree that talent left from the 2012 and 2013 classes was there, but what did Ash get in the 2014, 2015 and 2016 classes that were Flood classes?
2013 class- 22 recruits, 10 washed out of the program
2014 class- 26 recruits, 15 washed out
2015 class- 25 recruits, 12 washed out
2016 class- 18 recruits, 6 washed out.
Not a lot to work with from the 2013-16 classes.
I agree with you if what you say is true about Ash short-selling Rutgers. Part of the job of a head coach is the ability to sell ice to Eskimos. He is not a salesman.
And I agree with you that when he took over in 2016, with the 2012 class included, he had talent to work with, and he squandered it. But 2017 was a bit of a surprise, and while RU should not have lost to Kansas and Buffalo, the on field results were not surprising for 2018.
Have said it before. No more excuses and BS for 2019. Ash has to prove it. 5 wins is the absolute minimum he must show to keep his job. Hope Pat Hobbs sees it the same way.
Love u buddy but...Flood did not do good for us but that doesn’t give Ash any excuse. He has actually been worse. This situation is just stupid, as was Applefield.
Yeah, I came off as Ash's chief apologist. But I was reading some stuff on the other board (full of chief apologists) in line with what I posted above. There are not a lot of players from 2013-16 classes that have made contributions on the field, and many washed out of the program.
But he needed/needs to hold onto guys like Jackson and Applefield.
That's exactly my point. It wasn't a vaunted room - it was a shotgun approach to trying to find a QB, without any firm strategy or offensive philosophy or plan to recruit and develop a QB to a system... and with 3 coordinators in 3 years. Yes, you'd hope there is a starter, a backup, and a 3rd stringer.... I don't know if we ever found that starter, with 10 possible options to date (forgot Rettig earlier) and 3 more coming next year. Ash had no idea how to run an offense, and then compounded that problem before the team even took a practice snap by not hiring anyone out of the gate with depth of experience running an offense.
The current situation is 100% on Ash going into his 4th year. Any success or failure is on his head, and due to his performance as a coach. The mess from Flood is ancient history at this point.
Doesn't seem like a move a Captain would make. Best of luck to him.... Hope we can replace his performance and leavership.... I mean leadership.
It is absolutely preposterous to be blaming Flood for an athlete leaving the program for a Division rival at this point. This is Ash's team, he has had multiple recruiting classes and he is responsible for the coaching carousel that has existed for 3+ years. Let's see, if Ash turns it around this year and wins 5 or 6 games will these same posters give Flood credit? We know the answer to that question. Flood was a loser, no doubt, but it appears Ash might be a bigger loser, that is why the kid jumped ship, it was in his best interest to get the hell out, had nothing to do with Flood. What a joke.
Ash has shown ZERO progress .other HC. coaches in similar situations have shown progress and winning records in same time period.The blaming of Flood and Hermann are old news and an tired excuse.
Ash and Hobbs need to go.
OSU has hit a new low after Meyer retired, now they are resorting to picking up Rutgers' scraps.
Bingo
Under Ash in 3 years it's scary how little of the fundamentals this team can actually accomplish. Things we take for granted like catching a simple wide open pass, or basic clock management, or a simple wrap up tackle these things are a crap shoot at best under Ash.
I agree with you 100%, up until this season. Do people on this board not realize how important it is to have upperclassmen and even classes?
You cannot expect to win when your roster of 19 year olds are facing off against rosters filled with 21-22 year olds. These guys bodies change so much during that time span. But this year needs to show significant improvement. With the exception of defensive line, every position has guys that have been under Ash's program for years. This is no longer that young of a team. The QB has 11 starts. Both RBs return. All of those vaunted receivers of a few years ago are now juniors and need to play to their star rating. There is no blaming Flood anymore.
You cannot expect to win when your roster of 19 year olds are facing off against rosters filled with 21-22 year olds. These guys bodies change so much during that time span. But this year needs to show significant improvement. With the exception of defensive line, every position has guys that have been under Ash's program for years. This is no longer that young of a team. The QB has 11 starts. Both RBs return. All of those vaunted receivers of a few years ago are now juniors and need to play to their star rating. There is no blaming Flood anymore.
Most of Flood's players are gone (anyone have a actual number?)
So this is all Ash's team now. Let's see what happens.
So this is all Ash's team now. Let's see what happens.
From the roster (from the 2015 class--while the 2016 class was recruited by Flood, this class was coached/developed by Ash):
Redshirt Seniors:
DL- Previlon
OL-Venesky
DL- Taylor
LB- Rosa (walk-on)
OL-Seymour
RB-Snorweah
There are 2 seniors on the team- Damon Hayes (from the 2016 class) and walk-on Garvin.
That's a total of 6 seniors and RS seniors who have seen game action for the 2019 roster. It is indeed an All-Ash team. No excuses for 2019.
This should be their entrance song:
Ash has made so many obvious, foolish mistakes in the last few years it's impossible for anyone to think he was ready for this job. He has no opinion or input on the offense. He waited 2.5 years to take the reins of a horrible defense that he's supposed to be known for (this is truly mind boggling). He does not sell or hype the program. That's the tip of the iceberg. He is not a head coach at this point, and I don't think he ever will be.
But the dark clouds that have circled over this program were brought here by one man, and that man is Kyle Flood. Blame Ash all you want for failing to get us out of the hole, but someone had to dig the hole. Don't let Sarkisian's nepotism hire at Alabama fool you, Flood lacked knowledge, work-ethic and accountability the likes of which few college football programs ever see.
Until someone gets us back to 6-6 and in-the-black so to speak, Flood will always deserve some blame for putting us where we are.
Also Jackson left because Ash fired Blazek. It sucks but I'd rather Blazek gone. His hire was another of Ash's dumb mistakes.
But the dark clouds that have circled over this program were brought here by one man, and that man is Kyle Flood. Blame Ash all you want for failing to get us out of the hole, but someone had to dig the hole. Don't let Sarkisian's nepotism hire at Alabama fool you, Flood lacked knowledge, work-ethic and accountability the likes of which few college football programs ever see.
Until someone gets us back to 6-6 and in-the-black so to speak, Flood will always deserve some blame for putting us where we are.
Also Jackson left because Ash fired Blazek. It sucks but I'd rather Blazek gone. His hire was another of Ash's dumb mistakes.
Yes, agreed it was flood’s fault and he dug the hole. All the guy had to do was maintain what Schiano built . Thanks pernetti.
But ash and Hobbs don’t get a pass here. They have made the situation worse . I really think the program would be in better shape if flood stayed. I don’t see him going 1-11 with beatdowns to Kansas and buffalo . He would have turned in 3-5 wins season. And remember I always maintained “flood is a dud”. But at least the guy would try a fake field goal or have his quarterback complete a pass
