Karl Hobbs talking to Ewing/Georgetown?

[srru86]

Hoya Report blog on Yahoo Sports
Talk of Hobbs
Certainly like to keep him.
But as I always say, if your competitors are not looking to poach your talent you've hired the wrong people. Back in the day this would be a no brainier move for him. But going to a middling Big East school under an unproven coach and leaving a bad but improving B1G school, less certain these days. Intangibles and personal relationships will have a big factor I imagine.

 

[michstfr]

Hobbs played high school ball with Patrick as they were teammates at Cambridge Ridge and Latin.

And your not seriously comparing Georgetown basketball to Rutgers, even with the recent struggles of Georgetown are you?

Be clear I have no idea if Karl would leave Rutgers. But obviously his Boston ties to Patrick and the fact Hobbs coached in DC at GW this does make some sense.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

 

[Russ Wood]

Was told that Hobbs may have interviewed at Georgetown on Friday. If he did interview and it's now Tuesday afternoon & he's still at Rutgers that would appear to be good news for Rutgers

 

[HallX2]

Hoya Report blog on Yahoo Sports
Talk of Hobbs
Certainly like to keep him.
But as I always say, if your competitors are not looking to poach your talent you've hired the wrong people. Back in the day this would be a no brainier move for him. But going to a middling Big East school under an unproven coach and leaving a bad but improving B1G school, less certain these days. Intangibles and personal relationships will have a big factor I imagine.

Not a fan of G'town but I'd have to say they are a giant who is slumbering. No offense to the NJ sleeping giant.

 

[PaKnight]

Not a fan of G'town but I'd have to say they are a giant who is slumbering. No offense to the NJ sleeping giant.

I don't know, they were a school that had great success under one coach, like Marquette under Al McGuire or DePaul under Ray Meyer.

 

[RU_Planning]

I don't know, they were a school that had great success under one coach, like Marquette under Al McGuire or DePaul under Ray Meyer.

Marquette and Georgetown both went to the final four years after their great coaches retired.

 

[Virginiarufan]

Hobbs played high school ball with Patrick as they were teammates at Cambridge Ridge and Latin.

And your not seriously comparing Georgetown basketball to Rutgers, even with the recent struggles of Georgetown are you?

Be clear I have no idea if Karl would leave Rutgers. But obviously his Boston ties to Patrick and the fact Hobbs coached in DC at GW this does make some sense.

You really are a piece of work! If we're so far down the totem pole, WTF do you spend so much time here for??? Nobody was comparing RU to Georgetown bball historically. But I agree 100% with the OP that given a level playing field RU has more upside going forward which is what the OP was saying.

 

[Local Shill]

You really are a piece of work! If we're so far down the totem pole, WTF do you spend so much time here for??? Nobody was comparing RU to Georgetown bball historically. But I agree 100% with the OP that given a level playing field RU has more upside going forward which is what the OP was saying.

Teams that play in pro arenas are not attractive.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

You really are a piece of work! If we're so far down the totem pole, WTF do you spend so much time here for??? Nobody was comparing RU to Georgetown bball historically. But I agree 100% with the OP that given a level playing field RU has more upside going forward which is what the OP was saying.

Just because someone spends a lot of time on this board doesn't make them a fan of Rutgers. As you've seen many times over there are dozens of posters who are fans of rivals or just haters who love to post on this site. I call them sh*t starters. The idea of them posting is to make his or herself feel better when looking at their team.

 

[wheezer]

way back when RU had the upper hand on Georgetown, but after the Ewing era, we all saw that go away..... the 70's were a different story

anyway, whenever Georgetown is mentioned, it reminds me of a game long long ago, when we played them at the garden in a 1978 NIT game, after we lost to Texas.... back then they had a 3rd-4th place game and this is where we met georgetown.

I hit traffic getting to the garden and missed a good portion of the first half...as I was walking to my seats I could hear the public address announcer saying RU leads 16 to...... I was a bit annoyed because I thus knew that RU was winning but why did he not give the complete score, 16 to what?..... after I sat down I looked at the scoreboard and saw the score was 16-2.... he had said it right....

RU went on to win by 13 or so, I guess we were better back then

 

[michstfr]

This is not about being a fan or not it is about reality.

If you asked 10 basketball writers about the two programs even under the current state of Georgetown which one would you take Rutgers over Georgetown in terms of future success?

Please stop with the conference affiliation stuff, by that definition Rutgers has bigger upside than Villanova.

And you are basing this largely on Georgetown's struggles the last couple of years. But Indiana struggled this past year. Heck IU had 3 TERRIBLE years in a row under Crean when he first took over the job. Does that mean IU is "middling" Big 10 job or a bottom of the conference Big 10 job (at least at that point) because that is where they happened to finish during some years?? It is arguably the best basketball job in the conference even when it goes 8-10.

The question was why would Karl Hobbs leave Rutgers for Georgetown? Fair question, but Georgetown by all accounts was ready to spend in excess of $4 mil per year on their head coach, something I can assure you RU would not be able to do for Pikiel or anyone. That tells me Georgetown also has the funds to put together a prime staff.

 

[RUsojo]

This is not about being a fan or not it is about reality.

If you asked 10 basketball writers about the two programs even under the current state of Georgetown which one would you take Rutgers over Georgetown in terms of future success?

Please stop with the conference affiliation stuff, by that definition Rutgers has bigger upside than Villanova.

And you are basing this largely on Georgetown's struggles the last couple of years. But Indiana struggled this past year. Heck IU had 3 TERRIBLE years in a row under Crean when he first took over the job. Does that mean IU is "middling" Big 10 job or a bottom of the conference Big 10 job (at least at that point) because that is where they happened to finish during some years?? It is arguably the best basketball job in the conference even when it goes 8-10.

The question was why would Karl Hobbs leave Rutgers for Georgetown? Fair question, but Georgetown by all accounts was ready to spend in excess of $4 mil per year on their head coach, something I can assure you RU would not be able to do for Pikiel or anyone. That tells me Georgetown also has the funds to put together a prime staff.

Both football and basketball fans have struggled with acknowledge the true national perspective of our programs and where they stand in the pecking order.

 

[Rutgers25]

Both football and basketball fans have struggled with acknowledge the true national perspective of our programs and where they stand in the pecking order.

At this point, RU is as attractive as a middle of the road A-10 school....like UMASS or La Salle. It's not what people want to hear, but it's the truth. We're basically in dog fights to beat those kinds of programs out for recruits.

 

[knight82]

This is not about being a fan or not it is about reality.

If you asked 10 basketball writers about the two programs even under the current state of Georgetown which one would you take Rutgers over Georgetown in terms of future success?

Please stop with the conference affiliation stuff, by that definition Rutgers has bigger upside than Villanova.

And you are basing this largely on Georgetown's struggles the last couple of years. But Indiana struggled this past year. Heck IU had 3 TERRIBLE years in a row under Crean when he first took over the job. Does that mean IU is "middling" Big 10 job or a bottom of the conference Big 10 job (at least at that point) because that is where they happened to finish during some years?? It is arguably the best basketball job in the conference even when it goes 8-10.

The question was why would Karl Hobbs leave Rutgers for Georgetown? Fair question, but Georgetown by all accounts was ready to spend in excess of $4 mil per year on their head coach, something I can assure you RU would not be able to do for Pikiel or anyone. That tells me Georgetown also has the funds to put together a prime staff.

You always come on this site to talk down to us and point out our deficiencies. All you do is instigate and insult us.

 

[PatrickRU92]

We all realize we haven't been as successful as Georgetown.

We don't need non RU fans to inform us of this.

 

[RUsojo]

We all realize we haven't been as successful as Georgetown.

We don't need non RU fans to inform us of this.

We sort of do. I believe it anyway. A lot of the fanbase is out of touch.

 

[shields]

We also beat them in NCAA tourney right before Big East started.

 

[Virginiarufan]

I don't need a know-it-all fan from a Big East bottom dweller coming here to tell us where we've been the last thirty years. Most here know we have a long way to go to regularly beat top 25 teams.
2016/2017 was a major improvement over previous years with us competitive with the best in the country and I have no doubt that we'll draw recruits and that we'll continue to improve.

 

[Local Shill]

I don't need a know-it-all fan from a Big East bottom dweller coming here to tell us where we've been the last thirty years. Most here know we have a long way to go to regularly beat top 25 teams.
2016/2017 was a major improvement over previous years with us competitive with the best in the country and I have no doubt that we'll draw recruits and that we'll continue to improve.

I agreed with your post until you said "no doubt." Anyone who's been paying any attention since the early 90s should know there's plenty of doubt.

 

[knightinaz]

You always come on this site to talk down to us and point out our deficiencies. All you do is instigate and insult us.

Put him on ignore and be done with the jerkoff. He has never brought anything of value to this board.

I'm sure he's still telling anyone who'll listen how great of a hire Mullin was at St Johns

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Reality check is despite offering 3.8M, no one with a pulse wanted the GTown job.....this is based on someone with clear knowledge of the offers.

Amaker....said no thanks
Brey....said no thanks,
Shaka Smart.....said no thanks
Ed Cooley....said no thanks....
went back to Amaker, who then considered again....again came back to "no thanks".

GTown made the hire of Ewing, because no one of note wanted the job.....no one of note wants to deal with Big John Thompson.....no one of note, is willing to stick out there career necks as an assistant for Patrick Ewing, who belongs in the NBA as a head coach, not as Head Coach at Georgetown....

This kinda has a feel of people going gaga over Chris Mullin, who still hasn't figured out what he wants to do at St. Johns.....it's great for TV viewers to rehash and recap the early to late 80's of Thompson wearing the Louie sweater and yesteryear....the reality is both schools have great tradition, but neither has any true future that is locked in as a contender against the true Power 5 schools right now....basketball schools can sell "they are a basketball school" all they want, but when the big schools eventually come calling, the Archie Millers of the world leave for the Power 5 conferences...

I am not rooting against Patrick Ewing or Chris Mullin or have a care in the world about either program....in the Big East, in their own basketball centric world, they believe their own press clippings about how much they can pay for coaches, because if they don't pay extreme top dollar, they will get swallowed up or reduced to non-factors.

Does anyone truly feel that if given a chance, Villanova or any Big East school would trade the next 10-20 years of revenue and future earnings with RU....?? Even if RU finished in the bottom half of the conference the next 3 years straight, at some point, the revenue kicks in and the playing field tilts RU's way over these historically great programs.....These programs are built solely on the backs of tremendous coaches....as soon as those coaching greats leave the program, a "normalcy" returns.

Ray Meyer-DePaul
Louie C- St. Johns
PJ-Seton Hall
Pitino-Providence
Thompson Sr. GTown
Boeheim-Syracuse (eventually will retire)
Calhoun-UConn
Wright and Massimino (Villanova)

RU has had a coaching problem, in picking the wrong coach or not enough of a staff....Karl Hobbs can take the GTown assistant position tomorrow, but common sense would tell a normal college basketball fan that the primary concern or hesitation in going with Ewing, was not basketball related/not tradition related or financially related.......its surrounding the ability to find the right assistant coaches, who know college basketball, can recruit and understand the game AND are willing to work for Ewing and deal with John Thompson Sr........Kids these days frankly don't know Patrick Ewing.....their AAU coach clearly does and can explain that, but that's about it....and the alumni donors at GTown that I know, are practically horrified at the hire, because there is ZERO upside....Ewing does great (highly unlikely), he gets no credit and leaves for the NBA.....Ewing does average and sets the program back a decade.....

 

[Caliknight]

We haven't been as successful as Georgetown.

Georgetown is not nearly what it used to be and won't get back there under Ewing. Not sure they ever will get back to what they were. The dynamics of college basketball has changed a lot since they were truly competitive. Same thing with St. John's.

 

[RU_Planning]

If schools like Gonzaga, Wichita State, Creighton, Butler, Dayton, VCU, and Villanova can be upper echelon in basketball, why can't a Georgetown (or to a lesser extent St. John's)?

 

[bac2therac]

Not a fan of G'town but I'd have to say they are a giant who is slumbering. No offense to the NJ sleeping giant.

or they can be St John's

 

[BoroKnight]

Teams that play in pro arenas are not attractive.

Normally I'm with you on just about everything, but in this case ... oh hell no. I don't love pro arenas, but they are far less horrible in basketball than in football, first off. Secondly, the arena is in the same city and not up the Turnpike or in East Hartford. And third, you're not comparing the horrors of a pro arena with playing in the RAC, are you? As much as I love it, I love it the same way I love Rutgers or New Jersey or pork roll, egg and cheese sandwiches. You have to be from here.

I do agree with the "giant under one coach" thing -- to a point. Georgetown has had some very good seasons since, just not sustained excellence. But Patrick is as much a symbol of that sustained excellence as anyone other than Thompson himself. And the Big East is still good, and it's still going to a school where basketball is king.

Hard choice, if you ask me.

 

[Russ Wood]

Teams that play in pro arenas are not attractive.

Not attractive to who? I can tell you that it is attractive to lots, not all but, lots of HS kids to play in a NBA arena. First of all, they dream of getting to that level eventually. Secondly they expect everything to be better than even the best college arenas (the court, the locker room, the arena lighting and just the overall feel.

Of course, it helps if the team is packing the arena like Memphis and Georgetown used to do.

I personally think it sucks for the schools students though.

 

[vascosg]

I always hoped Patrick would coach the Knicks simply because I felt they never put enough people around him to win. Ironically, growing up, I rooted for Mullin because I went to HS with him. I would love for Patrick to succeed in his new gig.... only he can't take our guy with him. Lol

 

[RUJMM78]

Does Hobbs and Knight view Rutgers as a school that will enhance their resume for a future head coaching position?If the answer is no,Hobbs might look favorably at Georgetown especially with his connection with Ewing and Washington ,DC.

 

[HallX2]

or they can be St John's

The Johnnies just took too many melatonin. I see them back soon.

 

[HallX2]

Not attractive to who? I can tell you that it is attractive to lots, not all but, lots of HS kids to play in a NBA arena. First of all, they dream of getting to that level eventually. Secondly they expect everything to be better than even the best college arenas (the court, the locker room, the arena lighting and just the overall feel.

Of course, it helps if the team is packing the arena like Memphis and Georgetown used to do.

I personally think it sucks for the schools students though.

Ahh. But they sell beer

 

[RUKeystone]

Was told that Hobbs may have interviewed at Georgetown on Friday. If he did interview and it's now Tuesday afternoon & he's still at Rutgers that would appear to be good news for Rutgers

Like Knight, we need to make sure we keep Hobbs around for at least another year or two. Still need to lay the foundation here and I think it was a pretty big deal when Coach P landed both Knight and Hobbs for his staff. Find a way to keep this staff together for as long as we can.

 

[satnom]

Ewing and Hobbs were coached by Mike Jarvis at Cambridge Latin HS in Boston I believe. That being said I think Hobbs has a greater future at RU than Gtown but as in most things money talks.

GO RU

 

[RUPartisan]

Reality check is despite offering 3.8M, no one with a pulse wanted the GTown job.....this is based on someone with clear knowledge of the offers.

Amaker....said no thanks
Brey....said no thanks,
Shaka Smart.....said no thanks
Ed Cooley....said no thanks....
went back to Amaker, who then considered again....again came back to "no thanks".

GTown made the hire of Ewing, because no one of note wanted the job.....no one of note wants to deal with Big John Thompson.....no one of note, is willing to stick out there career necks as an assistant for Patrick Ewing, who belongs in the NBA as a head coach, not as Head Coach at Georgetown....

This kinda has a feel of people going gaga over Chris Mullin, who still hasn't figured out what he wants to do at St. Johns.....it's great for TV viewers to rehash and recap the early to late 80's of Thompson wearing the Louie sweater and yesteryear....the reality is both schools have great tradition, but neither has any true future that is locked in as a contender against the true Power 5 schools right now....basketball schools can sell "they are a basketball school" all they want, but when the big schools eventually come calling, the Archie Millers of the world leave for the Power 5 conferences...

I am not rooting against Patrick Ewing or Chris Mullin or have a care in the world about either program....in the Big East, in their own basketball centric world, they believe their own press clippings about how much they can pay for coaches, because if they don't pay extreme top dollar, they will get swallowed up or reduced to non-factors.

Does anyone truly feel that if given a chance, Villanova or any Big East school would trade the next 10-20 years of revenue and future earnings with RU....?? Even if RU finished in the bottom half of the conference the next 3 years straight, at some point, the revenue kicks in and the playing field tilts RU's way over these historically great programs.....These programs are built solely on the backs of tremendous coaches....as soon as those coaching greats leave the program, a "normalcy" returns.

Ray Meyer-DePaul
Louie C- St. Johns
PJ-Seton Hall
Pitino-Providence
Thompson Sr. GTown
Boeheim-Syracuse (eventually will retire)
Calhoun-UConn
Wright and Massimino (Villanova)

RU has had a coaching problem, in picking the wrong coach or not enough of a staff....Karl Hobbs can take the GTown assistant position tomorrow, but common sense would tell a normal college basketball fan that the primary concern or hesitation in going with Ewing, was not basketball related/not tradition related or financially related.......its surrounding the ability to find the right assistant coaches, who know college basketball, can recruit and understand the game AND are willing to work for Ewing and deal with John Thompson Sr........Kids these days frankly don't know Patrick Ewing.....their AAU coach clearly does and can explain that, but that's about it....and the alumni donors at GTown that I know, are practically horrified at the hire, because there is ZERO upside....Ewing does great (highly unlikely), he gets no credit and leaves for the NBA.....Ewing does average and sets the program back a decade.....

What planet are living on? All of the teams you have named have had deep ncaa tourney runs with different coaches after the ones you have mentioned. If that is your definition of normalcy sign me up. People keep predicting the demise of these small private schools and ex big East teams and it just hasn't happened.

 

[RUfinal4]

would love to see a home and home with Georgetown.

 

[TDIrish27]

I don't see that happening at least short term.

Would rather see name schools that are beatable.

Fordham , BC , Pitt come to mind.

 

[RUBigFrank]

From what I hear ratings have not been good for big east
May be a revenue issue with next fox sports contract

 

[MADHAT1]

I expected the Big East to become an afterthought quickly , seems like I was wrong
and won't say that Conference will go down in stature.
As long as it keeps producing good BB teams, I now think it will remain a top basketball conference able to recruit top HS talent.
Georgetown still has a name that will attract top talent, only needs a HC that can make the most of the talent that commits there .
Hiring Hobbs would go a long way to helping Ewing do that.
Hopefully Hobbs feels Rutgers is a better fit and is leery of John Thomson Jr.'s influence on the way Ewing will run the Hoya basketball program

 

[PatrickRU92]

I expected the Big East to become an afterthought quickly , seems like I was wrong
and won't say that Conference will go down in stature.

Not quickly they will not. Eventually they will. They are not going to command the same TV money as the P5 which over time will put them at a distinct disadvantage. Give it about a decade.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

What planet are living on? All of the teams you have named have had deep ncaa tourney runs with different coaches after the ones you have mentioned. If that is your definition of normalcy sign me up. People keep predicting the demise of these small private schools and ex big East teams and it just hasn't happened.

I am looking big picture....which people rarely do, because they get caught up in the emotion of watching a game, listening to an announcer etc.

Marquette is not the same program without Buzz Williams....left for Power 5 School
Seton Hall has not had anywhere near the consistent success post PJ....that doesn't mean they haven't had a flash, but its not the same
GTown, SJU, Providence, etc....all are down from very lofty status, but again, it doesn't mean they don't have a good year on occasion.

The bottom line is the Big East has solid teams, but is not anywhere near their past status....and when you continue to lose coaches and you replace them with non-coaches like Mullin and Ewing, there is no way anyone sane, can say both programs have better coaches today than they did 5 years ago or 10+ years ago....

The other factor masking the Big East is they no longer collide with Syracuse, Louisville, ND, Pittsburgh and the teams from the old BE....It is not different from RU stepping up in class in the B1G vs Big East in football.....tougher and more balanced schedule.....over an extended period of time, it shows up on game days and in the NCAA's, similar to this year....Providence, SHU that many considered locks were taken out by USC and Arkansas.....if you listened to the media, USC should not have gotten a bid and Arkansas was in the weak SEC....

Both games, while very close, showed that one league was overrated a bit, in comparison to similar Power 5 schools....

I don't have any confidence that Georgetown or St, John's bounce back to the top of a weaker Big East and if they do, it will be more of an indication that the league has weakened further. These are rosters that are already stacked and talented, so we can't say it's a lack of recruiting by Georgetown.....I don't see how they instantly get to 3rd or 4th in the Big East with Villanova, Butler and Xavier being clearly the best coached teams in that league.