Funny, last game I was courtside and heard nothing! You are full of shit.
Even if somebody was yelling from the stands…yeah, so what. They do that everywhere. Are you serious.
Basketball Kiyomi McMiller is OUT for tonight's game against No. 4 USC
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Even if somebody was yelling from the stands…yeah, so what. They do that everywhere. Are you serious.
I didn't ignore it. I don’t know how to feel about that one.
I’m very selective about my coworkers with social media. Some people are more private than others.
Did Smikle follow the whole team when she got kicked off for being a “cancer” too?
This is indeed very telling. And her most recent posts on Instagram about yesterday's loss are even more telling. I think her freshman year is over. Good luck finding a coach who will think her posts are ok.
That’s just not true. She wanted to play, the coach said she couldn’t. So it wasn’t her actions, it was the coaches actions. Now the coach has to take responsibility for the best player on the team quitting in the middle of the season two years in a row..
You people crack me up. You act like this is normal.
No player is more important than the team or the program.
I don't follow women's basketball. I follow football and men's hoops. But obviously, this is a big story so I came over here to see people's reactions.
In general, I tend to side with the coach in these types of matters. But it does seem clear that once Rutgers gets a new AD in place, they are going to have to look at promoting Tasha Pointer to head coach. Coach Washington is not doing a good job of identifying young women that fit her culture. As coach Schiano says, you don't just take the best talent. You have to take guys are a fit for your program. Otherwise, these situations are inevitable.
Agree. You weren’t there so how do you know what happened. Maybe the coach is just over disciplining people?
Yeah, being an over authoritative dictator is not always the best approach. And it’s failing this woman, obviously.
Two seasons in a row for the best player to quit in the middle of the season is unheard of in college sports.
I gave the coach the benefit of the doubt last year. Now I believe the kids. She just doesn’t know how to work it.
🤣 Your response is laughable. I'm not going to get into one of these messages board beefs with you... as cute as you might think that is. You don't know me, and you don't know what I've seen or what I've heard. My eyes and ears work just fine.
A player apologizing to her fans shows little interest in being part of the Rutgers team.The bigger issue is that the women's basket ball program is in total disarray.The head coach obviously has problems on and off the court .The embarrassing losses can't be ignored .The absence of a athletic director and the soon departure of the Rutgers president pushes decision making into the late spring at the earliest.
I hope you’re kidding. Tasha Pointer’s head coaching record is 9-69 (at UIC). Hire the coach at Princeton or Fairfield.
Like I said, I don't follow women's hoops. I like Tasha as a leader and basketball mind. But if she's not a Big 10 caliber coach, then find someone who is.
Its not beef. Nothing about being cute or whatever else you are saying.
It is about keeping it real. I’ve been to almost every game this year and I never heard any of the banter you mention.
You’re telling people her father is yelling stuff…yeah…so what. I never heard ANY of it and I never heard any fan yell anything negative. Not one peep.
So what are you talking about?
Bye the way…it kind of sounds like you are the one trying to get gangster with it, not me. You don’t know me,etc.
She could totally be right - I wasn’t there. But she shouldn’t have taken it to social media. You keep that stuff in house. It’s not a good look for her either.
To be fair, the “overbearing father of an elite prospect” isn’t exactly uncommon. I know many don’t like Dan Hurley over here - but he spoke about that and how much he hates dealing with the whole entourage, the agent, questions about minutes, NIL, shots, etc… wants ballers first
The knock on CW is if she brought a player in with that kind of baggage and is over her head in managing it.
Exactly.
Especially since Rutgers HAS done McMiller a favor by NOT leaking what happened behind the scenes. Word on the street is it was BAD. Bad enough to sit in a game that Rutgers needed McMiller
Sadly, many of the takes here are absurd. No matter how good a player is, these are college students, and no 1 player is above the team or conduct issues
McMiller whining on Instagram is really not a good look for her. And no top tier program will want a disruption in their locker room no matter how talented she is
I salute our coach. Because there’s really only 2 directions forward.
1) McMiller continues to have an ego and disrupts locker room unfairly and leaves
2) McMiller wakes up, matures, becomes a team player, and even bigger star (much like Dylan and Ace who are adored by their teammates)
I’m hoping for the later, truly — but we have to accept that some of these players really can’t change for the better. Toxic personality traits, such as narcissism, are harder to remedy than basketball x’s and o’s.
You guys have a point about that. But it’s like at that point the dumpster fires already lit. She was venting.
She made herself look horrible in front of potential coaches if she did transfer. Shes an elite talent who should be able to go anywhere - but do you think Dawn Staley is wasting her time with that?
She seems very much like a me-first player and this is still a team sport. Culture eats talent for breakfast and once you surrender discipline, you never get it back - just ask Kyle Flood about that.
To be honest, this really makes me appreciate (even more) the job the Harpers have done with their kids - and how they interact with the program, teammates, coaches, and the fans. Same goes for the Baileys.
Talent will get chances no matter how they acted , Kiyomi Miller has the type of talent top programs want
Dawn might not think Miller's is a cancer and feel in the right environment ( South Carolina) Kiyomi would be a quality addition .
Staley did not recruit her. Kiyomi herself has said she would likely not be a great fit at SC in an interview where she called out all three of Staley, Frese, and Geno. If they didn't want her less than a year ago, they definitely don't now. Stupid games, stupid prizes.
Stanly and the coaches you mentioned might not want her, but there's always a top program that willing to take a chance on a talent that was disruptive at their previous program was my point.
But I did use the wrong coach as an example , in which you pointed out my ignorance of who didn't go after her for their program out of HS
Since I wasn't sure ,I checked out who had the best chance after Rutgers to sign her and if my checking produced the right results chose Rutgers over Temple, James Madison, WV, UCF and Old Miss
I now wonder why none of the top programs seemed to be involved .
Though I still feel she'll find a decent landing spot, might not be the type of program my original message implied would want Kiyomi Miller
Someone will take a chance for sure, she’s an amazing talent - but the smart thing to do from a career perspective is apologize and own it, get back with the team, and grow from this. She’s still a kid and it seems like she’s getting some bad advice.
Staley, et al, will just grab the 17th and 19th best prospects who have a good attitude.
Altercation in locker room? Ellerbee on her "Executive Team." Ironic that he seemed to be a fight promoter for Mayweather Productions. When he signed McMiller, he said this was a new venture (WNBA) for him. Maybe he could schedule a date with Jake Paul?
IMHO, best course of action is some humble pie. Chalk it up to youth, emotion and frustration and go be a model teammate. CW may not be getting it done here - but she has credibility for what she’s accomplished in the game as both a player and a coach.
You are WAAYYYYYYY off. She had many, many more opportunities, and decided those were her final spots. She did not come here for the money, obviously, because we have none.
Kiyomi McMiller had an NIL deal with Jordan Brand before she committed and she might have been limited in her ability to sign other NIL deals or go to programs that wouldn't allower their recruits to be affiliated with a brand they weren't affilated with.
She listed a top 20 with many powerhouse programs. If you read a little bit about her recruitment, she stated that it was more about being a proper fit, and where she felt would be the best for her to play…not how big the school was. That’s why she included lower tier schools.
I really don’t think you have a valid point. Rutgers had Adidas deal at the time, and she still committed here…when the players were required to wear Adidas.
To me this seems like a case where both parties are in the wrong..
The player is wrong in the way her and her "team" are handling this issue. If what I'm hearing is true, then she was definitely in the wrong. Doesn't add up, biggest ticketed game of the year and coach benches their best player..not to mention team has unfollowed her.
Coach's fault as well because she has created a terrible and toxic culture the past few years where this type of behavior and circus has been unchecked. She's failed to put an actual team together since she's got here and has just put random players together with no sense in chemistry.
I feel bad for the kid because she's talented and clearly being led by a self-serving entourage of people who don't have her best interests. Hopefully both parties can learn from this and move on.
The player is wrong in the way her and her "team" are handling this issue. If what I'm hearing is true, then she was definitely in the wrong. Doesn't add up, biggest ticketed game of the year and coach benches their best player..not to mention team has unfollowed her.
Coach's fault as well because she has created a terrible and toxic culture the past few years where this type of behavior and circus has been unchecked. She's failed to put an actual team together since she's got here and has just put random players together with no sense in chemistry.
I feel bad for the kid because she's talented and clearly being led by a self-serving entourage of people who don't have her best interests. Hopefully both parties can learn from this and move on.
I followed her recruitment closely, lets just say there's a reason top schools weren't heavily pursuing and she fell to Rutgers..
Seems like two posters in this thread followed KM's recruiting and have different POVs of how she was recruited.
Since there are two viewpoints, many both can show why they feel Miller was highly/barely recruited by the top programs..
I could only find her final list of the programs she was thinking of committing to and it wasn't very impressive.
But that's not to say top programs didn't try to recruit her , though I can't claim they did and need to have someone who has knowledge show me , if possible, who wanted her and who left her alone.
Since there are two viewpoints, many both can show why they feel Miller was highly/barely recruited by the top programs..
I could only find her final list of the programs she was thinking of committing to and it wasn't very impressive.
But that's not to say top programs didn't try to recruit her , though I can't claim they did and need to have someone who has knowledge show me , if possible, who wanted her and who left her alone.
thank you, my ad blocker prevents me from seeing list, but I'm sure others will be able to and talk about it, so I'll be able to know how much the top programs recruited her
