Lack of Discipline

[Knight Shift]

Do the following stats show lack of discipline?
Should this coach be fired?

Game 1- 3 Turnovers, 6 penalties 58 yards
Game 2- 0 Turnovers, 6 penalties 55 yards
Game 3- 5 Turnovers, 6 penalties 39 yards
Game 4- 2 Turnovers, 12 penalties, 86 yards
Game 5- 3 Turnovers, 8 penalties, 109 yards

 

[RU4Real]

"There's been a perpetual and virulent lack of discipline upon my vessel. Why? Why is that, sir?!"

 

[Abro1975]

 

[ArminRU]

You need a win/loss column to answer that question

 

[Knight Shift]

Guess the team. I will buy the winner a hot pretzel and a drink at the MSU game. [banana]

 

[rutgersguy1]

Well I think their abundance of talent and the coach's few national championships excuse the "lack of discipline." I'm sure said coach isn't happy about it. Mind you this "lack of discipline" certainly doesn't help their chances to repeat. I think they need to focus getting back to the ground game and Elliot.

 

[Knight Shift]

Well I think their abundance of talent and the coach's few national championships excuse the "lack of discipline." I'm sure said coach isn't happy about it. Mind you this "lack of discipline" certainly doesn't help their chances to repeat. I think they need to focus getting back to the ground game and Elliot.

OK. You win a hot pretzel and a free drink. On Saturday night, and I will pay up. Congratulations

 

[rutgersguy1]

Thanks for the offer but not necessary. I think it's a little "sly," for lack of a better word, to pull numbers or records and such without full context. You have to look at the picture in totality. I'm sure Meyer isn't happy about those numbers and they definitely will hurt their chances to repeat if they continue to happen against the better teams on their schedule or playoffs. I actually thought it was either Meyer or Saban, the 5 TOs kind of stuck out to me. Alabama had 5 against Ole Miss too.

 

[Knight Shift]

A takeaway here is teams like Ohio State and Alabama have a WIDE margin of error. They can be F-ups and still win. Rutgers, not so much. We must execute to near perfection to win, or play Kansas every week. I still believe we can put together 1, 2 or 3 really clean games and get 2-4 more wins. But I acknowledge that things could be far worse, and we could struggle to get 2 more wins.

 

[RULoyal]

Can't answer the question without knowing the number of arrests.

 

[RU#1fan]

Do the following stats show lack of discipline?
Should this coach be fired?

Game 1- 3 Turnovers, 6 penalties 58 yards
Game 2- 0 Turnovers, 6 penalties 55 yards
Game 3- 5 Turnovers, 6 penalties 39 yards
Game 4- 2 Turnovers, 12 penalties, 86 yards
Game 5- 3 Turnovers, 8 penalties, 109 yards

That and the important fact that Fudd can't beat any Winning teams and is a disaster at Recruiting.
Small details for a P5 Head Coach.

 

[Knight Shift]

Can't answer the question without knowing the number of arrests.

Let's see, when coaching at another team there were 31 arrests, and one of his players was convicted for murder after he graduated. But he is a huge winner, so that gets swept under the carpet.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Let's see, when coaching at another team there were 31 arrests, and one of his players was convicted for murder after he graduated. But he is a huge winner, so that gets swept under the carpet.

That is true. They also have states that completely support their team, fans that are ok with some of that as long as they win, press that is supportive, gov't that is supportive. We don't..

but none the less...Coach's OWN stupid actions with the email thing really cost him the one big advantage he had. Credibility.

 

[bac2therac]

Who cares..why does the OP always make these baiting threads...I dont care what other schools are doing. I care about what Rutgers is doing and what they need to do to clean up their act

 

[eceres]

The sad thing is those stats would be a positive upgrade for us...


Flood:
Game 1- 1 Turnovers, 9 penalties 60 yards, 0 Turnover Margin
Game 2- 3 Turnovers, 11 penalties 100 yards, -3 Turnover Margin
Game 3- 3 Turnovers, 8 penalties 80 yards, -2 Turnover Margin
Game 4- 3 Turnovers, 10 penalties 80 yards, -1 Turnover Margin
Avg - 2.5 Turnovers, 9.5 penalties 80 yards, -1.5 Tunrover Margin

Meyer:
Game 1- 3 Turnovers, 6 penalties 58 yards, -1 Turnover Margin
Game 2- 0 Turnovers, 6 penalties 55 yards, +4 Turnover Margin
Game 3- 5 Turnovers, 6 penalties 39 yards, -3 Turnover Margin
Game 4- 2 Turnovers, 12 penalties 86 yards, -1 Turnover Margin
Game 5- 3 Turnovers, 8 penalties 109 yards, -3 Turnover Margin
Avg - 2.6 Turnovers, 7.6 penalties 69.4 yards, -0.9 Turnover Margin

 

[RU4Real]

I don't really understand the point of the thread. OSU is 5-0 and ranked #1.

 

[ClassOf02]

Yeah this thread has me scratching my head. If we were 5-0 and ranked #1, I suspect we wouldn't be crucifying anyone about the lack of discipline.

 

[lighty]

OSU hasn't looked good this year at all and they have reason to worry; however, the big difference is that they've found way to win their games... RU hasn't.

Does knowing that other teams are struggling as well actually make you feel better about our program?

 

[ArminRU]

All that matters is wins and losses.

 

[RU4Real]

Not to mention that one of the penalties against OSU last night was 15 yards for excessive celebration.

I'd take a few of those.

 

[beaced]

Guess the team. I will buy the winner a hot pretzel and a drink at the MSU game. [banana]

Are the pretzels still large ,thick,more golden than brown and have the texture and flavor of those that I remember from the past? ,

 

[DHajekRC84]

I don't really understand the point of the thread. OSU is 5-0 and ranked #1.

there was a thread last week by somebody about the significance of TO's on the win-loss likelihood. Shift was of a position it didn't really matter to the likelihood of winning (or something like that not to put words in his keyboard)..think just a continuation of that theme.

 

[RU4Real]

there was a thread last week by somebody about the significance of TO's on the win-loss likelihood. Shift was of a position it didn't really matter to the likelihood of winning (or something like that not to put words in his keyboard)..think just a continuation of that theme.

A good number of OSU's turnovers are interceptions. Jones has serious accuracy issues, downfield. It's interesting, because from a pure Xs & Os perspective Meyer has much the same dilemma that we do. The difference is that the rest of the talent on the field is far superior and they can afford Cardale's mistakes.

 

[RUTrack94]

Do the following stats show lack of discipline?
Should this coach be fired?

Game 1- 3 Turnovers, 6 penalties 58 yards
Game 2- 0 Turnovers, 6 penalties 55 yards
Game 3- 5 Turnovers, 6 penalties 39 yards
Game 4- 2 Turnovers, 12 penalties, 86 yards
Game 5- 3 Turnovers, 8 penalties, 109 yards

Nah ... We have 2x as many penalties.

 

[DHajekRC84]

A good number of OSU's turnovers are interceptions. Jones has serious accuracy issues, downfield. It's interesting, because from a pure Xs & Os perspective Meyer has much the same dilemma that we do. The difference is that the rest of the talent on the field is far superior and they can afford Cardale's mistakes.

His cannon is too strong at times. Sometime I think a QB can be too big or too big an upper body.
OSU's defense can make up for the mistakes. RU cannot afford them. The good news (well really NOT good news LOL) is that RU's turnovers have been on other side of the 50 (I think).

 

[ag67]

From what was posted, Coach Flood and Coach Meyer seem to be about equal this year in their ability to instill discipline in their teams. Could it be that maybe it is not necessarily a sign of bad coaching or good coaching and the situation is maybe more complicated than that? Nah!

I admire the approach though of the critics to suggest the information in such a comparison needs to be ignored. This RU penalty data needs to be looked at in a vacuum, because in that context it proves our coaches are unable to instill discipline in our players.[eyeroll]

 

[RUJMM78]

Superior talent can overcome penalties and turnovers.In Rutgers case there is a very small margin for error.

 

[Knight Shift]

I don't really understand the point of the thread. OSU is 5-0 and ranked #1.[/QUOTE}

You seem like a pretty smart poster. It was just a morning brain teaser, and Rutgersguy solved it. If we can put together an A+ effort, win the turnover battle, and minimize penalties, we could pull off a surprise win. But that is a big IF. Our margin of error is very small. tOSU has a huge margin of error to work with. Wasn't really a major point, but the poster on the horse has to throw a hissyfit over it, and he can just put me on ignore and go clean the sand out of his . . . .

 

[Knight Shift]

Superior talent can overcome penalties and turnovers.In Rutgers case there is a very small margin for error.

Exactly.

 

[Knight Shift]

there was a thread last week by somebody about the significance of TO's on the win-loss likelihood. Shift was of a position it didn't really matter to the likelihood of winning (or something like that not to put words in his keyboard)..think just a continuation of that theme.

Please find that thread or post. Because I have no recollection of it. But now pile on me because you think the OP was supportive of Flood. It was not. carry on.

 

[RUnion]

In 2014 the coaching staff led the team to the 25th best record in penalties per game - with 4.8. We have been used to a pretty penalty free team relative to other teams . Apparently this staff has teh ability to have a disciplined team relative to penalties.
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game?date=2015-01-12

Interesting that Navy Air Force and Army were all in the top ten. and the national champion, OSU, was 50th in the country with 5.6 per game.

So far after 4 games RU is 120th in the country with 9.7 per game with many new starters on offense getting used to game situations and cadence of a new QB in live action. Not that surprised we are lower than usual. Coaching staff has shown it can have the team disci[plined in terms of penalties and ave no reason to think that will not get under control. Cant judge a season on 4 games

 

[KJ_RU]

Someone is forgetting one of Flood's golden rules, 'being judged on a total body of work'. I get it that a clean game could get us a win but this team, that is built and coached by Flood, has just as good of a chance at losing badly, even if we play a clean game. Folks keep bringing up programs and coaches stats, but neither Rutgers and definitely not Flood has the resume or body of work to what they're being compared to.

Sometimes penalties and turnovers happen because of undisciplined play, other times it's simply because you're playing a better coached, better prepared, more talented team. There are several reasons and factors why different teams can have the same stats in some categories. IMO, to pick a random stat, and imply that if they can do it then we can too is silly.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Do the following stats show lack of discipline?
Should this coach be fired?

Game 1- 3 Turnovers, 6 penalties 58 yards
Game 2- 0 Turnovers, 6 penalties 55 yards
Game 3- 5 Turnovers, 6 penalties 39 yards
Game 4- 2 Turnovers, 12 penalties, 86 yards
Game 5- 3 Turnovers, 8 penalties, 109 yards

Throw in the fact that we have ONLY forced 4 TO's all season - FOUR - against the lousy part of our schedule and, well, there you go!

 

[NotInRHouse]

Hey remember when Urban Meyer couldn't even manage a TD in 1/3 of B1G games, had 7 arrests in two weeks, and put in an email he was breaking the rules?

Anyone?

Can Floodies at least go back to the man of integrity defense instead of pointing fingers at programs with more success than don't do all the dumb crap Flood does...

 

[Yeah Baby]

This is actually a good post because I just watched the Bills GIVE the Giants a TD due to a lack of discipline. This is not just RU and OSU. It is rampant.

I also agree that we need to clean it up on and off the field in order to succeed. You guys are all saying this but like to argue so you are arguing with the OP while agreeing. LOL

 

[LotusAggressor]

No matter how much I take it apart
No matter how much I break it down
No matter how much I look at it
It remains consistent.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

So much spin on this board. Wouldn't be surprised if some of you could believably spin that the holocaust didn't happen. Flood has to go, period. He is not the right coach for this program. But by all means, continue burying your collective heads in the sand...

 

[Knight Shift]

So much spin on this board. Wouldn't be surprised if some of you could believably spin that the holocaust didn't happen. Flood has to go, period. He is not the right coach for this program. But by all means, continue burying your collective heads in the sand...

Wut? Your head is spinning, dude. Nobody advocated that Flood should stay. The post was a little morning brain teaser. Lighten up, and put your pitchfork and fire away for just a few minutes.

 

[rutgersguy1]

In 2014 the coaching staff led the team to the 25th best record in penalties per game - with 4.8. We have been used to a pretty penalty free team relative to other teams . Apparently this staff has teh ability to have a disciplined team relative to penalties.
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game?date=2015-01-12

Interesting that Navy Air Force and Army were all in the top ten. and the national champion, OSU, was 50th in the country with 5.6 per game.

So far after 4 games RU is 120th in the country with 9.7 per game with many new starters on offense getting used to game situations and cadence of a new QB in live action. Not that surprised we are lower than usual. Coaching staff has shown it can have the team disci[plined in terms of penalties and ave no reason to think that will not get under control. Cant judge a season on 4 games

Thanks for the link. 2014 looked better but if you look at 2012/2013 it looks more like an outlier. In 2012/2013 we were in the 80s and 90s in terms of penalties. This year seems to be following closer to those years rather than last year unfortunately.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Please find that thread or post. Because I have no recollection of it. But now pile on me because you think the OP was supportive of Flood. It was not. carry on.

this one:
122 out of 128 in Turnover Margin
Discussion in 'Rutgers Football' started by bigbirdRU, Sep 27, 2015.

but hey, I wasn't attacking you. I was just answering 4real's question. You seem like a good dude. And I respect your positions even if I don't agree. No malice intended here Shift. I just recalled you position on this from a good back and forth in the above thread.