Coach Wilson stated it would at least be a part of the game plan for Laviano to go deep vs MSU.If he does attempt this & succeeds then all is good.It should be next up if he can't or chooses not to execute NW's plan.In my mind this could be the moment of truth for Laviano.
Laviano ,moment of truth?
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Is this the weekly thread where we bash our young starting qb who gives us everything he has and is being held overly responsible for the rise and fall of the team? Or the one where you all tell us how good the backup qb is even though you've barely seen him?
Just have Chris watch the highlights of the 7 TD pass and 447 yard performance of Mike Teel over Louisville in 2008. That will get him fired up.
No this is the thread where we repeatedly bash the coaches (coach) for his quarterback judgment, or lack thereof. The kid always has support. Just shouldnt be put out there given the circumstances
Carroo being reinstated is good news. Rettig being reinstated would be great news. Free him from the Hale Center Arrest.
I'm sure that would make Chris feel better. People said the same thing in 2008 when they thought Natale was better than Teel.
Bill.Norris raised the issue today.This may help silence critics if he completes some long passes or attempts to do so.I know you believe everything is fine
No.Let's see if Laviano can execute a game plan as stated by Wilson.It will help us compete or win.It's not about Rettig,who is not playing.
Field not at least stretched,then we lose.Some completions long,the best case.PSU great example of a recipe for failure.
Aren't anonymous internet message boards great? :cool2:
If they stack the box with eight and we don't stretch the field, we don't have a chance, period.
You play to win the game
Norries is perfectly fine moving the chains. One of the benefits of stretching the field is the ability to complete passes to the routes that Laviano is currently completing...so what's the issue? If Laviano was unable to complete short and intermediate passes then the people hell bent on going deep to loosen up the defense would actually have a point. Moreover, throwing the ball to all parts of the field (sidelines, flats, seems, etc) is actually keeping the defense just as honest as going deep and is aiding the running game. The premise of the WCO is to use the pass plays to all depths and directions to open up the running game or even to act as part of the running game.
I swear this is just a case of the grass always being greener. If we had a reckless QB going deep to WR's with little separation and throwing pics or incompletes, the fans would be looking for smarter plays, less punting, and moving the chains...which is exactly what he has done. Our defense needs a ball control offense right now.
I suspect MSU will be gearing to stop the run on Saturday. If we can't run, the game may look a bit like PSU but I think we'll have better success at home and on a dry field turf. My hopes are more of the same from Laviano, some better RAC, with less penalties and turnovers.
I agree with this. The coaches aren't stupid. They will take what the defense allows.
If there is no respect for the intermediate/long routes then we won't be able to run effectively.No one is asking for reckless.If receivers are open deep then we must attempt to find them.Lets see if an exclusive short passing game will lead to points.It has not so far & unlikely to vs MSU.
If no respect means 8 in the box then they will throw the ball. Simple as that. Teams have put 8 in the box against many a team.. against many QBs with big arms. Laviano has hit plenty of intermediate routes. Check the stats. If Laviano is not taking advantage of open deep routes and checking down to 10 yard gains...that's ok ( but not great) for now. If he is not taking advantage of open deep routes and throwing ints, incompletes, or taking sacks, then we have a problem.
I completely forgot about how much people loved the higher rated transfer Natale! Bet you can't find those folks now
OOOOooooo! That hurts. Yea I was one of those suckers. Then he went on to throw what 4 interceptions in one half. And I thought he was our savior.:grimace: Loyalty HERE! HERE! Here I am. I can man up when I'm wrong.
Yeah well Schiano chased Savage away with similar behavior shortly thereafter.
What occurred in the first half of the PSU game had little to do with the QB..you realize that, right?
Explain. No running game, no field position, rain, no Carroo, hostile environment.
We have to remind ourselves that Laviano is a kid.....a SOLID QB who has been given HUGE responsibilties and he WILL make mistakes BUT he looks pretty decent so far. Would I like Rettig to get some snaps....you bet! But until the COACHES make that call I am simply a Rutgers and a Laviano supporter
HEY Carooooooooooooooo is back !!!!!!! woo hoooo
HEY Carooooooooooooooo is back !!!!!!! woo hoooo
Wait, you never question the coaches on all your favorite teams?
Lot of excuses Bill.No running game because of no respect for the pass.There were calls & opportunities ,but choice to check down.Wilson said it was CLs decision.3 points says it all.No excuses this week.Friendly environment this week,with likely Caroo.Time to step up.
Not only are they better qualified than the coaching staff.... but they are able to make informed, rational decisions about the quarterbacks without ever seeing them perform in practice !! it is utterly amazing ! The ability of these folks is astounding. They can do things that Vince Lombardi and Bill Parcells could never do. Perhaps we can get them on some show like America's got Talent and let them describe how they can do things that other Hall of fame coaches cannot !!
In fairness, Laviano has had the opportunity to prove his critics wrong..... He just has not done that thus far. Therefore, people have a right to voice their opinion. I hope he lights it up in the first half. If he continues to struggle and not be able to complete passes downfield, I would like to see Rettig.
Do you never question coaches of any of your teams? Play calling? Which players are being asked to handle what responsibilities? I find that very hard to believe.
The philosophy of MSU's defense is to force low percentage long passes while harassing the QB with a variety of cutting edge zone blitzes. Let's hope blocking is part of the game plan, too. it's hard to throw bombs while buried under 300 LB DTs.
I do have opinions about what happens at RU games where I question what the coaches are doing. But I don't call them stupid or say they suck for doing what they are doing. I don't assume that I know better than they do. I don't assume that I'm somehow a better judge of QB talent than a guy that's been coaching in college for dozens of years. Or a better coordinator than the ones we have.
I've said here on this board that if someone somehow made the huge mistake of making me the coach of a football team, I'd be quicker to sit the starting QB, than Flood and crew, when he's having a tough game. Then I'd stick the starter back in again next game. Unless those bad games became a pattern.
But I also understand why Flood's opts to do it the way he's doing it and his way also has merit. And he has way, way, way more information than anybody on this board on which to base his decisions.
I don't have a problem with people voicing their opinions. That's great and it's interesting to read and think about those different opinions.
I just find it laughable how some people state, with absolute certainty, how wrong the coaching staff must be about this, that or the other thing. Or how they suck. As if those people have any credibility to lend credence to their opinions.
None of us has the full picture - we aren't seeing the kids at practice, we don't have hands-on D1 football coaching experience of any kind, hell - most of the critics haven't coached football at any level and many haven't played the sport.
Really, you've given me nothing but generalities. They didnt respect the pass? Sounds good...but how? Did you see 8 in the box aside for our bunch formations. And if they did bring a safety up at times it was smart based on the conditions and field position. You may recall this was the same defense that shut down our run, forced 5 Ints, vs 4 year starter with a strong arm just one year ago.
Where were the plays Laviano missed? I guarantee you have no idea. Were Norries comments about the PSU game? Let alone the first half? Quite sure his comments related to Kansas game when asked that question.
3pts says we couldn't run, had turnovers, penalties, and horrendous field position. Laviano was 27-42 for 250 yards with another 30 yards called back because the TE stepped on the boundary line. You can win with those #s. PSU won with 10 -19 with 150 yards passing. Most of those yards off screens.
Laviano was not in the top 5 reasons for that loss.
