Lehigh match
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MVB was a bit overpowered at 149 but he wanted to test it. He can throw 141 pounders around but 149 was different. Has to bulk up for that weight.
I am really interested to see the limits for JVB. How good can he get? If he can reach anywhere near as high as Perotti, it will be a huge credit not only to him but also to our staff. As I look at this team taking the next step, I am encouraged by kids who seem to be exceeding expectations. Its not just the talent you recruit, but what you do with it.
I am especially impressed with the strides of Correnti and Gross this year, and Gravina over the past 2 years. The development has been clear. Coach Leo has had his share of doubters and taken flack on these boards in the past. The improvement of those three guys is an indicator of his ability as a coach. If Gravina can manage to AA, it will be a feather in his cap. Although Gross lost a lot of time in terms of his wrestling, both he and Correnti have very high ceilings for how good they can be if they put in the work.
We are getting to the point now where team improvement is going to be really difficult. Once you hit the top ten, you are not going to unseat anyone without a special combination of skill and luck. Mixing it up with the blue bloods and getting to where we are better than some of them year in year out will not come easy. A big part of it will be having kids come out of nowhere and AA, and perhaps more importantly, have a kid go on a run and win a national title. We are only going to get kids at a certain level, so we need to do well with them. Kids who have the ability to AA want to see AA's on the team. We are definitely well on the way to solidifying our spot at that level. Kids who have the ability to win multiple titles are a different story. They want to see kids winning titles. That's where we need to get.
I am especially impressed with the strides of Correnti and Gross this year, and Gravina over the past 2 years. The development has been clear. Coach Leo has had his share of doubters and taken flack on these boards in the past. The improvement of those three guys is an indicator of his ability as a coach. If Gravina can manage to AA, it will be a feather in his cap. Although Gross lost a lot of time in terms of his wrestling, both he and Correnti have very high ceilings for how good they can be if they put in the work.
We are getting to the point now where team improvement is going to be really difficult. Once you hit the top ten, you are not going to unseat anyone without a special combination of skill and luck. Mixing it up with the blue bloods and getting to where we are better than some of them year in year out will not come easy. A big part of it will be having kids come out of nowhere and AA, and perhaps more importantly, have a kid go on a run and win a national title. We are only going to get kids at a certain level, so we need to do well with them. Kids who have the ability to AA want to see AA's on the team. We are definitely well on the way to solidifying our spot at that level. Kids who have the ability to win multiple titles are a different story. They want to see kids winning titles. That's where we need to get.
Cabbage - curious why you said "We are only going to get kids at a certain level, so we need to do well with them." You don't think we can consistently get the Ashnaults of the world going forward?
I consider myself a big RU wrestling fan, but I get what Cabbage is saying. To answer your question, we haven't got the next Ashnault yet. Anthony was class of 2013 and we haven't got the best kid from any class since (obviously just talking NJSIAA). Although personally I think Glasgow is the best senior this year, but others may disagree.
Edited to add - I think things can/will change when we get the new facilities, and we keep growing our RTC and SKWC. Team has made tremendous strides from a few years back and I believe it will only get better with things mentioned in previous sentence.
Like I said in my post, when recruits look at a program, most want to see kids already on that team that are achieving their goals. Now that we are regularly producing AA's, many top level kids will consider RU. But to get the truly special kids, the Surianos of the world, we do not have enough to show them right now.
Kids of Ashnault's caliber who are willing to be the pied piper are rare. Most of those kids want to join a team where they see wrestlers attaining their goal of winning national titles and becoming Olympians. Until we have guys getting to the finals those type of kids are going to be nearly impossible to land. They are going to choose Iowa, Ok St., PSU, and even some of the other Big Ten programs over us. They are going to choose Cornell and even Lehigh over us.
That's what I mean about the next steps being so difficult. Where we are is great, and the fun we've had as fans over the past 10 years has been unmatched by anyone except for PSU fans. But wrestling is incredibly stratified. Upsets are relatively rare. The kids who should win almost always do, and the kids who should win all the time go to the absolute best programs. To get from #10-15 to the top 5 is going to take even more money, skill, and luck than it took to get this far.
Let's hope the first step involves Ash achieving his goal, and winning a natty.
the way Rutgers is set up , our max potential seems to be top 3-6. Pretty damn good and will be a fun ride getting there
Interesting post from a 5 page thread on Lehigh vs Rutgers from Wrestling Report that's dominated by Lehigh fans:
Re: Lehigh V. Rutgers
by John Henning » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:36 am
Having watched Rutgers on the B1G Network this year I find them to be a very 'chippy' team....borderline dirty. There's being tough and there's being unnecessarily tough.
IMO this springs from not wanting to be the league doormat. It's worked.
Hopefully our guys come out ready to rumble because RU will be in their face from the opening whistle. If we don't set the tone and return fire, it could be a long night. Several RU wrestlers do not possess technical skills, but do possess a hard-nosed approach and get ranked because of it.
I'm picking us 6-4.
http://wrestlingreport.com/current_news/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=61645&start=45
Re: Lehigh V. Rutgers
by John Henning » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:36 amHaving watched Rutgers on the B1G Network this year I find them to be a very 'chippy' team....borderline dirty. There's being tough and there's being unnecessarily tough.
IMO this springs from not wanting to be the league doormat. It's worked.
Hopefully our guys come out ready to rumble because RU will be in their face from the opening whistle. If we don't set the tone and return fire, it could be a long night. Several RU wrestlers do not possess technical skills, but do possess a hard-nosed approach and get ranked because of it.
I'm picking us 6-4.
http://wrestlingreport.com/current_news/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=61645&start=45
Typical elitist snobby Lehigh fans. They will in all honesty most likely win but we are very close to their level and have been for a few years now.Interesting post from a 5 page thread on Lehigh vs Rutgers from Wrestling Report that's dominated by Lehigh fans:
Re: Lehigh V. Rutgers
Having watched Rutgers on the B1G Network this year I find them to be a very 'chippy' team....borderline dirty. There's being tough and there's being unnecessarily tough.
IMO this springs from not wanting to be the league doormat. It's worked.
Hopefully our guys come out ready to rumble because RU will be in their face from the opening whistle. If we don't set the tone and return fire, it could be a long night. Several RU wrestlers do not possess technical skills, but do possess a hard-nosed approach and get ranked because of it.
I'm picking us 6-4.
http://wrestlingreport.com/current_news/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=61645&start=45
HaHaHa.[laughing] Their fans can't stand that we're closing the gap faster then they expected. They dominated for so long, now they are crying like little bitches since it's no longer a given win. John Henning's a douche.Interesting post from a 5 page thread on Lehigh vs Rutgers from Wrestling Report that's dominated by Lehigh fans:
Re: Lehigh V. Rutgers
Having watched Rutgers on the B1G Network this year I find them to be a very 'chippy' team....borderline dirty. There's being tough and there's being unnecessarily tough.
IMO this springs from not wanting to be the league doormat. It's worked.
Hopefully our guys come out ready to rumble because RU will be in their face from the opening whistle. If we don't set the tone and return fire, it could be a long night. Several RU wrestlers do not possess technical skills, but do possess a hard-nosed approach and get ranked because of it.
I'm picking us 6-4.
http://wrestlingreport.com/current_news/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=61645&start=45
They know damn well within 5 years we will pass them and possibly Cornell as well.
Interesting post from a 5 page thread on Lehigh vs Rutgers from Wrestling Report that's dominated by Lehigh fans:
Re: Lehigh V. Rutgers
Having watched Rutgers on the B1G Network this year I find them to be a very 'chippy' team....borderline dirty. There's being tough and there's being unnecessarily tough.
IMO this springs from not wanting to be the league doormat. It's worked.
Hopefully our guys come out ready to rumble because RU will be in their face from the opening whistle. If we don't set the tone and return fire, it could be a long night. Several RU wrestlers do not possess technical skills, but do possess a hard-nosed approach and get ranked because of it.
I'm picking us 6-4.
http://wrestlingreport.com/current_news/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=61645&start=45
Wow... that is priceless. It's a direct shot at Theo and Gravina. I'll take the high road here but really praying that Ken pulls off the upset.
Lehigh fans...The Cuse fans of wrestling? Could very well be. Their excuse list will be golden if we pull off the upset tomorrow night.
If you guys would read the Lehigh board or attend their matches, you would learn they are impressed with what we have achieved. If one does not know Theo or Gravina, it is hard to argue with what he says. Let's beat them on the mat and not on a message board. Also, check out how the Lehigh fans praise the atmosphere at the RAC,
It was a backhanded comment, but I still have respect for the program. I have close friends and family members who are grads. Don't forget coach Leo is an alumnus.
that's a compliment from that poster. he is constantly talking about how he wishes Lehigh would have more "cement luggers" like at Big Ten programs. he knows Rutgers is good, I wouldn't take his post on a Lehigh message board too personally (although I know Abro is trying to fire everyone up, lol).
Lehigh fans are usually 50+ years old, super nice and extremely knowledgeable. I'd recommend sitting in their section if you ever get a chance at NCAAs.
Lehigh fans are usually 50+ years old, super nice and extremely knowledgeable. I'd recommend sitting in their section if you ever get a chance at NCAAs.
I hear you and per my prior post I have a deep respect for the school and that program. But that comment definitely has an elitist private/public ring to it even if it wasn't intentional. Regardless, it's a message board. Means nothing. Half of what any of us say gets taken the wrong way anyway.
Bottom line. It's going to be a great matchup and we are lucky to have another opportunity to go against this opponent. What bothers me is we may not wrestle them again for a while. I feel like with our rise to respectability we are truly ready to establish a real rivalry with these guys. I don't care how tough our conference schedule is, Lehigh should be a regular match for us going forward.
Has anyone used Track wrestling to stream a match? That is one confusing site lol, although I have managed to figure out where results and brackets are. I saw a price of $49 but I'm figuring it's for all content for a month, but it wasn't clear. I couldn't find a price just for the Rutgers-Lehigh match.
http://s200.trackwrestling.com/tw/t...487334814474&pageName=&ie=false&frameSize=633
http://s200.trackwrestling.com/tw/t...487334814474&pageName=&ie=false&frameSize=633
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Track was advertising $49 for all UWW events, HOWEVER, you can watch the Freestlyle world cup for free.(just click on the video and it will start live) FYI-Iran vs US in the finals at 8 30am Eastern time.
I am pretty sure the RU vs Lehigh match will be free. Track usually is a PPV model, but they do have some free content and I think the NWCA events are free.
Of course if I am wrong, don't shoot the messenger!!
just want to add my observations here...let me break this down. you have the
hallowed wrestling elite,. iowa, and ok. st...I mean in terms of a long storied
wrestling tradition. penn st. wasn't a hallowed program, until they hired cael
now they are included. ohio st is getting there, as is Nebraska. both of these
have recent gold medal wrestlers...those five schools will have the best of
the best wrestlers in the country wanting to be trained, and coached at
these schools....lets face the facts ,ru is late in the game as far as establishing
wrestling tradition. even though we are one of the top h.s w restling states
in the u.s.a. ash aside, we will be fortunate to get this type of kid to come
here in the future. ash is the only cant miss type of recruit ,these other schools
have in abundance. it would be nice to have suriano, ethan ramos, mc kenna
sebastion, and other blue chippers in our lineup. but, the reality is we have to
develop the good wrestlers, and state placers we recruit, and make them
great. coach goodale , and staff have done an amazing job since taking
over this program. honestly, I would never have imagined being tied for
4th place in the big 10. one example of a wrestlers development ,is nick
gravina. wasn't a state champion not sure how many years he was a placer
this kid is flirting with being a aa this year. hes a tough jersey kid being coached
up to succeed. just in the last couple of years ,were getting a few multiple
state champions. mulligan,grello, and possibly this year Glasgow, who is very
talented. the kid from blair robinson ,is a real talented kid. these kids will
succeed here. we want to be the best. like these storied programs....that may,
or may not ever happen. as long, as what one poster above stated. we come to
wrestle, we wont back down, and wont be intimidated.. we are getting closer to a
steady flow of aa's, and top ten teams for years to come. look how far we have
come. the future is bright, we should thank our lucky stars, we have a coach who is
passionate, loves our state, and the sport of wrestling......thanks coach G, and staff
hallowed wrestling elite,. iowa, and ok. st...I mean in terms of a long storied
wrestling tradition. penn st. wasn't a hallowed program, until they hired cael
now they are included. ohio st is getting there, as is Nebraska. both of these
have recent gold medal wrestlers...those five schools will have the best of
the best wrestlers in the country wanting to be trained, and coached at
these schools....lets face the facts ,ru is late in the game as far as establishing
wrestling tradition. even though we are one of the top h.s w restling states
in the u.s.a. ash aside, we will be fortunate to get this type of kid to come
here in the future. ash is the only cant miss type of recruit ,these other schools
have in abundance. it would be nice to have suriano, ethan ramos, mc kenna
sebastion, and other blue chippers in our lineup. but, the reality is we have to
develop the good wrestlers, and state placers we recruit, and make them
great. coach goodale , and staff have done an amazing job since taking
over this program. honestly, I would never have imagined being tied for
4th place in the big 10. one example of a wrestlers development ,is nick
gravina. wasn't a state champion not sure how many years he was a placer
this kid is flirting with being a aa this year. hes a tough jersey kid being coached
up to succeed. just in the last couple of years ,were getting a few multiple
state champions. mulligan,grello, and possibly this year Glasgow, who is very
talented. the kid from blair robinson ,is a real talented kid. these kids will
succeed here. we want to be the best. like these storied programs....that may,
or may not ever happen. as long, as what one poster above stated. we come to
wrestle, we wont back down, and wont be intimidated.. we are getting closer to a
steady flow of aa's, and top ten teams for years to come. look how far we have
come. the future is bright, we should thank our lucky stars, we have a coach who is
passionate, loves our state, and the sport of wrestling......thanks coach G, and staff
Interesting post from a 5 page thread on Lehigh vs Rutgers from Wrestling Report that's dominated by Lehigh fans:
Re: Lehigh V. Rutgers
Having watched Rutgers on the B1G Network this year I find them to be a very 'chippy' team....borderline dirty. There's being tough and there's being unnecessarily tough.
IMO this springs from not wanting to be the league doormat. It's worked.
Hopefully our guys come out ready to rumble because RU will be in their face from the opening whistle. If we don't set the tone and return fire, it could be a long night. Several RU wrestlers do not possess technical skills, but do possess a hard-nosed approach and get ranked because of it.
I'm picking us 6-4.
http://wrestlingreport.com/current_news/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=61645&start=45
We are made of tough Jersey wrestlers, and that's how we wrestle. That's how we Jerseyians are like. I can see how others can see us being too aggressive, but we are not dirty. We did hurt few wrestlers along the way but that's wrestling, and dirty is what that dude from N'western tried to do to Van Brill at the end of the match (kneeing him).
Found it i think..... http://s500.trackwrestling.com/tw/t...487353568770&pageName=&ie=false&frameSize=848
Not I. But I'll be checking from 6:45 on from my Cocktail Party in South Orange. Manhattans and Wrestlng!
It looks from the TrackWrestling site like they will have it. Man, that website is a disaster. How its not been made better yet stuns me. Don't get your hopes up for the quality or continuity of the video feed.
DIRECT LINK: http://s200.trackwrestling.com/tw/Stream.jsp?eventStreamId=113280010
DIRECT LINK: http://s200.trackwrestling.com/tw/Stream.jsp?eventStreamId=113280010
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Very ticked I can't attend. I was all set to either WFH or leave early, but I had to come into NYC today and won't get out before 5pm. Hopefully this feed works, but they have been poor in the past even when I was a paying customer.
DIRECT LINK: http://s200.trackwrestling.com/tw/Stream.jsp?eventStreamId=113280010
Story with match ups:
125 Brandon Paetzell 14-7 (6-4) vs No. 5 Darian Cruz** 21-2 (12-1)
133 Scott DelVecchio * 17-10 (7-5) vs No. 9 Scott Parker* 11-2 (6-1)
141 No. 5 Anthony Ashnault ** 23-3 (15-1) vs No. 16 Randy Cruz*** 18-5 (10-3)
149 No. 14 Ken Theobold 18-6 (11-3) vs No. 12 Laike Gardner** 16-7 (8-4)
157 No. 17 John Van Brill 20-8 (11-3) vs No. 4 Jordan Kutler 13-1 (7-0)
165 Anthony Pafumi 9-12 (1-3) vs No. 15 Mitch Minotti** 5-3 (3-1)
174 No. 19 Jordan Pagano 23-7 (5-1) vs No. 4 Ryan Preisch* 19-2 (11-1)
184 No. 13 Nicholas Gravina * 17-7 (10-5) vs Andrew Price 8-9 (1-3)
197 Matthew Correnti 13-10 (8-6) vs Thomas Murray 7-10 (0-2)
285 Razohnn Gross 11-8 (6-6) vs No. 16 Doug Vollaro* 14-6 (8-4)
*denotes previous NCAA Championships qualifications
RU may get lucky as Lehigh #4 ranked Kutler at 157 may miss the match due to injury.
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PS- #16 Michigan at #7 NC St free on ESPN3 at 7pm
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Story with match ups:
125 Brandon Paetzell 14-7 (6-4) vs No. 5 Darian Cruz** 21-2 (12-1)
133 Scott DelVecchio * 17-10 (7-5) vs No. 9 Scott Parker* 11-2 (6-1)
141 No. 5 Anthony Ashnault ** 23-3 (15-1) vs No. 16 Randy Cruz*** 18-5 (10-3)
149 No. 14 Ken Theobold 18-6 (11-3) vs No. 12 Laike Gardner** 16-7 (8-4)
157 No. 17 John Van Brill 20-8 (11-3) vs No. 4 Jordan Kutler 13-1 (7-0)
165 Anthony Pafumi 9-12 (1-3) vs No. 15 Mitch Minotti** 5-3 (3-1)
174 No. 19 Jordan Pagano 23-7 (5-1) vs No. 4 Ryan Preisch* 19-2 (11-1)
184 No. 13 Nicholas Gravina * 17-7 (10-5) vs Andrew Price 8-9 (1-3)
197 Matthew Correnti 13-10 (8-6) vs Thomas Murray 7-10 (0-2)
285 Razohnn Gross 11-8 (6-6) vs No. 16 Doug Vollaro* 14-6 (8-4)
*denotes previous NCAA Championships qualifications
RU may get lucky as Lehigh #4 ranked Kutler at 157 may miss the match due to injury.
scarletknights.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/021517aac.html
PS- #16 Michigan at #7 NC St free on ESPN3 at 7pm
espn.com/watchespn/#type/upcoming/sport/wrestling
NO he isn't , but he's been starting as of late. I just listed only 1 at each weight class for sake of space. The official RU site has a lineup with Scott as 'OR". Same w Dylan Painton. I'd bet on Pafumi getting the nod, but I have no inside info.
PS- a good friend of mine is a Lehigh season ticket holder, as well as a P'burg ticket holder, and he says Kutler is wrestling tonight for Lehigh at 157.
I would not sleep on Cruz. I fully expect Ash to take him so perhaps "toss up" is a bit of a stretch, but if Ash doesn't bring his A game Cruz is a legit AA candidate and could surprise him.
With that said Ash is starting to peak so I expect a 6-2 like win here.
