Let's stop with the desperate calls for a 5 next year
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Wish Sa would stop shooting the three ball though.
So based on one game we don't need to recruit another 5? How about when Sa and Doorson leave the next year? What do we do for a 5?
one game does not make a season....ugh They held their own...anytime they create more positive than negative its great but again we need a 5 to be the starter
Greene.....we need a 5 defensively.....OSU made CJ hedge on screen and roll to get him moving and away from the basket, to create driving lanes....Doorson allows too many easy passes inside and is still not moving well enough.....a faster PF with some footspeed at 6-8 to 6-10 with some reasonable athleticism, erases 6 to 8 PPG off our defensive numbers....
Diallo and Doorson are prospects but the better teams have more mobile front courts up and down the B1G....we absolutely need a 5 next year or Doucoure to advance to reclassify to 2017 next year so we have some defensive pressure.
Diallo and Doorson are prospects but the better teams have more mobile front courts up and down the B1G....we absolutely need a 5 next year or Doucoure to advance to reclassify to 2017 next year so we have some defensive pressure.
You recruit for future but there isn't urgency for next year. 1% chance you find a player equal to Gettys for next year.
Recruit for future but a 5 for 17-18 is NOT a top priority
Recruit for future but a 5 for 17-18 is NOT a top priority
I'll take a 3 that will score. When Freeman is not out there we've got issues. If Thiam can take a big step forward, then we might be ok
They did fine in spurts. Doorson has really impressed me all year and has made incredible improvement from last year. Hopefully they keep making strides over the next year and can give you even more next year.
With that said a 5 is 100% a priority. No way you can count on them to give you 25 + mins a game at this point.
Also Doorson has foot issues and it was said by someone he will be having surgery during the off season.
Amen! I've been on the Doorson bandwagon all year. The kid played virtually no basketball last year with the foot injury. He has more upside than Geddy's and should be fine.
Offensively, Gettys is much better...not really even close
I have no opinion on what level of priority a new center should be, but you are kidding yourself if you think Sa and Doorson can easily replace Gettys's production. Even in what everyone is calling a good game for them, Doorson took zero shots in nine minutes. Sa took two in eleven minutes. Maybe the team can live with less offense next year. Maybe not.
Agree.....All you need from the 5 spot is 10 and 10 from your two centers......The game is more about the 1, 2 and 3's.
I don't disagree, but Getty's is a 5th year senior. I think Doorson will get there and he's already a better defender IMHO.
Baker satisfies the 1 and 2. Thiam is a freshman and will get better.
Sa had 1 rebound, 1 block, and four points.
Doorson I felt better about. But still, another surgery.
I am sure Pikiell has his eyes on one.
Remember, he likes rebounding. You do not want your guards consistently rebounding. By commission this year works, but not what you want long term.
Sa had 1 rebound, 1 block, and four points.
Doorson I felt better about. But still, another surgery.
I am sure Pikiell has his eyes on one.
Remember, he likes rebounding. You do not want your guards consistently rebounding. By commission this year works, but not what you want long term.
Next year as of now,
Doorson, Sa, Diallo, Freeman are our only 5/4's.
Eugene O can fill in at the 4 if need be. But to me a grad transfer 5 ala Gettys is a need.
Doorson with another foot surgery, some thoughts on a transfer possible and you are really lacking there.
Doorson, Sa, Diallo, Freeman are our only 5/4's.
Eugene O can fill in at the 4 if need be. But to me a grad transfer 5 ala Gettys is a need.
Doorson with another foot surgery, some thoughts on a transfer possible and you are really lacking there.
I would not count on Diallo being part of the team next season. When was the last time he played a meaningful minute?
Looking at efficiency from our bigs, given that Sa/Doorson/Diallo look to have an expanded role next year, we can get a sense of what their production per minute is vs. Gettys:
Points per 40 min:
14.3 - Gettys
9.3 - Sa
5.9 - Doorson
4.0 - Diallo
Rebounds per 40 min
9.6 - Gettys
8.6 - Diallo
8.3 - Sa
7.6 - Doorson
Assists per 40 min:
2.1 - Gettys
1.3 - Diallo
1.2 - Doorson
0.8 - Sa
Turnovers per 40 min:
1.7 - Doorson
2.3 - Sa
2.4 - Diallo
2.9 - Gettys
Assist to Turnover ratio:
0.73 - Gettys
0.73 - Doorson
0.56 - Diallo
0.32 - Sa
Fouls per 40 min:
4.4 - Gettys
5.2 - Sa
5.8 - Doorson
8.1 - Diallo
Blocks per 40 min:
3.0 - Diallo
2.6 - Sa
2.0 - Doorson
1.4 - Gettys
Points per 40 min:
14.3 - Gettys
9.3 - Sa
5.9 - Doorson
4.0 - Diallo
Rebounds per 40 min
9.6 - Gettys
8.6 - Diallo
8.3 - Sa
7.6 - Doorson
Assists per 40 min:
2.1 - Gettys
1.3 - Diallo
1.2 - Doorson
0.8 - Sa
Turnovers per 40 min:
1.7 - Doorson
2.3 - Sa
2.4 - Diallo
2.9 - Gettys
Assist to Turnover ratio:
0.73 - Gettys
0.73 - Doorson
0.56 - Diallo
0.32 - Sa
Fouls per 40 min:
4.4 - Gettys
5.2 - Sa
5.8 - Doorson
8.1 - Diallo
Blocks per 40 min:
3.0 - Diallo
2.6 - Sa
2.0 - Doorson
1.4 - Gettys
2/14 v. Purdue - Last time he played
1/28 v. Wisconsin - Last time he had a rebound.
1/24 v. Maryland - Last time he played 10+ minutes
1/21 v. Nebraska - Last time he scored a point
Of note, on 1/28 vs. Wisconsin, he managed to pick up 5 fouls in 9 minutes with 0 shots, 0 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, and 2 turnovers. Since then, he's played in four games for a total of 17 game minutes... going 0-3 with 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 block, and 5 fouls.
He's certainly played his way to the end of the bench.
Glad someone showed some sense in this thread.
Sa needs to stop taking 3s.
Doorson needs some conditioning to move his ass into position sooner and develop a quicker first step.. what is that.. some kind of "fast-twitch" muscle development. That thing where he go so turned around.. hard to watch... he should have been playing that body the whole way.. even if he had passed the ball instead of faked it. Doorson needs seasoning.. but that's expected.
If we can find another Gettys.. grab him.. and maybe the next year we won't need one.
That Gettys' "per minute" productivity is going to be hard to match next year given the guys we have on our roster. Their game will need to take significant steps up to match what Gettys brought to the court in his minutes last year.
The biggest things are offense (points/assists) and fouls. Doorson had the same A/T ratio, but fewer assists in his minutes on the court - he really needs to improve as a distributor at the high post in Pike's offense. Sa/Diallo haven't really been used in that role at all, yet, and may not be suited for it. Either way, Gettys' post moves clearly separate him from the other three from a scoring perspective... as Sa would need to be 50%+ more productive with his minutes, and Doorson would need to nearly triple his output.
On the flip side, staying on the court has been an issue for some of our bigs. Gettys was the only one to average fewer than 5 fouls in 40 minutes.
Of those four players, Gettys accounted for 62% of the points and just 39% of the fouls.... while playing just 46% of the total minutes. We'd really need to see one (or more) of them take big steps up... and with Doorson going in for another surgery this offseason, and Diallo being MIA the last month, there's realistic concern. This is why there's a lot of focus on hopefully grabbing another 5 next year, if possible.
Rutgers needs talent improvement at every position moving forward the next two years.Gettys was a life saver this season because he gave Rutgers a pulse on offense at the center position.Yes, he had flaws but so did every player on the team.
Some live in a fantasy world that thinks quality 6'10'' plus grad transfer will be available again.
We need another 4 or 5 who we can dump the ball down to and expect them to score at a reasonable rate. Neither Sa or Doorson give us that. It was nice being able to do that with Gettys since we are so offensively challenged from 1 to 5
Sa and Doorson weren't asked to give us that. Next year is 7 months away.
We need to recruit 5s for the future. Very important. Thinking you can upgrade Sa, Doorson and Diallo for next year isn't realistic. my hope is that 1 or 2 of those 3 improve and make a bigger impact. They aren't going to provide what CJ gave us offensively. On the flip side they may give us more on the defensive end. CJ interior D wasn't the best.
We need to recruit 5s for the future. Very important. Thinking you can upgrade Sa, Doorson and Diallo for next year isn't realistic. my hope is that 1 or 2 of those 3 improve and make a bigger impact. They aren't going to provide what CJ gave us offensively. On the flip side they may give us more on the defensive end. CJ interior D wasn't the best.
There's certainly no guarantee that we'll find another Gettys type for next year but we damn sure better try. Sa will be a Senior and showed nothing this year. Doorson is about to have another foot surgery and, even if healthy, I don't have much faith that he'll be able to play significant minutes without consistently getting in foul trouble which means we'll need a competent alternative. Pikiell obviously doesn't think much of Diallo's game (I always thought he had the most potential) and he's also had injury problems.
Thank you, and I agree with you. As of now, you could give Doorson 40 minutes a night, and you would still get nothing from him - he just doesn't have basketball skills. Maybe he will improve, but if anyone can point to an example that would provide hope, please do. Gettys will be missed, and I agree with the posters who are skeptical about RU's ability to find an immediate replacement. It seems ludicrous, actually. Gettys was not only a great find based on his production at NC, but the fact they he became even more productive on a bad team against Big 10 competition is something of a miracle. Hell, maybe he is the model for Doorson that provides hope.
Mamadou Doucoure is only listed as 205 lbs but is listed as a center. Nothing official but lots of speculation that he'll reclassify and play next year. (Please!) Haven't seen a lot about his game other than the dreaded "raw offensively" description some place. Anyone familiar with his game and how he might fit in if on campus this Fall? He is listed as 4 star so there's got to be talent there.
He is not reclassfying to 2017. I repeat, Doucoure is 2018! Lol.
He has a great nose for rebounds,blocks, and defense. His offense is still improving.
He is definitely a great talent.
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