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Lion's Post Mortem - RU vs Texas A&M

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Some general thoughts, fist:

Based on the game with Texas A&M (and Alabama) I am in combination bummed (RU had a legitimate chance to beat both Alabama and Texas A&M, 2 ranked teams - but fell short), encouraged by improvement in various areas, excited about the remaining possibilities for this team, and concerned about the productive depth of the team.

1) Bummed: What an opportunity the team had! But fell short. Against Alabama, RU having the ball, down 2, with 43 seconds left against Alabama - and again down 3 ... failing to secure a missed FT rebound, Harper not quite making a good effort shot (when down 2 - he was probably fouled), etc. And against Texas A&M, UP 63-54 with 11:30 left, and even after losing the lead, UP 77-76 with 3 minutes left ... and could not close, in successive possessions having Harper force (he really should have passed the ball out - had someone open in the lane, at least) a shot or a turnover (I scored it a turnover, but I think it officially went as a missed shot) - leading to a breakaway dunk, then RU missing a shot, then Martini had a BAD turnover on a decent pass to him, then even after RU got a defensive stop, Martini had ANOTHER turnover after Bailey passed it to him in the corner (Martini wide open) - on neither pass was Martini ready to catch the ball, so he fumbled it ... the last Martini turnover occurred with 40 seconds left RU down 1. Even then, after A&M made 2 FT's, Harper drove to the rim, and had his shot blocked - but I saw that replay: The defender did cleanly block the shot with his right hand, but his LEFT hand hacked Harper's shooting arm before the block. That was with 22 seconds left. Not to mention Sommerville's really stupid reach in foul with about 4 minutes left, after a rebound, with Sommerville reaching in 90 feet from the A&M basket ... ugh ... RU was up 74-72, and the ensuing FT tied the game, plus was Sommerville's 5th foul ... putting Martini back in ...leading to Martini's 2 turnovers.​
2) Encouraged: RU improved their defense (despite the 50%+ FG and 40% 3-point FG) versus Alabama, in my opinion - especially Ogbole and Bailey ... I saw signs. Against Texas A&M, who admittedly is not a great shooting team, I saw even better signs. I thought RU generally played even better defense against A&M than it did against Alabama - though there WERE some exceptions. One notable exception is that RU DID foul too much - and they were legitimate fouls, mostly ... which put A&M on the line 41 times (which is sick) ... so yes, RU still has to work on defending without fouling. But I still saw signs. I ALSO saw significantly improved rebounding, especially after the 1st 10 minutes of the game. Texas A&M is one of the 5-7 best rebounding teams in the country: They averaged +12 rebounds per game, and are especially good on the offensive glass, rebounding 45% of their missed FG. Yet RU OUTREBOUNDED A&M! By SEVEN (42-35)! And held A&+M to 12 offensive rebounds, just 36=7% of their misses ... while RU had 15 offensive rebounds - also 37.5% of RU's misses (A&M had been allowing the opposing teams to grab just 29% of their misses). So I am encouraged with these specific developments. Also encouraged that RU is extremely competitive with top ranked teams - giving me hope RU will be abkle to break through in SOME of these games.​
3) Excited: Yes, excited ... Again, RU had the best player on the floor, even against a ranked team (Bailey this time, vs Harper against Alabama). And again, RU had 2 of the 3 best players - though in this game you might even argue 3 of the best 4 players (Williams being so superb) ... and yes, Harper was the 3rd best player, even 6-20 FG. The team has a TON of upside still, and has not reached its ceiling for team game performance ... which WILL happen in some games to come. Even without that ceiling, RU is extremely competitive with rankled teams - and when back to back on a neutral court, it is not a fluke. We still have not seen Bailey's ceiling performance in an individual game, but will. We HAVE seen Harper's ceiling - but you could argue the Texas A&M game was his WORST game of the season - and he was not really bad - he mainly shot poorly for him, with a couple of bad judgment decisions, but not a lot ... still 3 assists and 0 turnovers. Williams has now had 2 consecutive good games (though he was GREAT vs A&M, not merely good - and he won't do that every game. Williams is clearly RU's # 3 player - which we need. Ogbole is improving, Sommerville - though with several weaknesses, including never passing out of the post, and defensive weaknesses - still has a lot of upside for THIS season. RU still will need other bench players to perform, at least at times ... which leads us to ...​
4) Concern About Quality Depth: I actually was not yet concerned, but do have at least some concerns now. Acuff is still not quite there yet - though I hope he will get there. Martini completely disappeared the last 3 games, and appears completely useless against teams that are athletic and/or have frontcourt size ... that is a problem. Grant did get some play for the first time - and cl;early has some bounce - certainly grabbed some of Martini's minutes - but he is still raw and thoughg aggressively shot, missed them all. Davis did have 3 assists and 0 turnovers (good), was a little better defensively than vs Alabama, but took an ill-advised 2-pointer and missed his WIDE OPEN 3. Hayes - finally got some shots ... and was 1-5 from 3 ... his defense is still so weak that if he is not hitting 3's he cannot get minutes - its a conundrum. Derkack IS useful, got another 5 rebounds, 4 assists and a steal - but only took 3 shots ... is that better than his 2-8 vs Alabama? But though Derkack starts, Williams is clearly ahead of him - and should be. Anyway, with a clear starting 5 of Ogbole at the 5, Bailey at the 4, Williams, Derkack and Harper at the wings ... your bench is Sommerville (fine) ... and ... Hayes (2 good games, vs low level teams), Martini (1 great game, a couple of decent games, but completely disappeared vs the 2 rankled teams), Davis (not as good defensively as last year or as I expected, and still not shooting well, though his FT have improved), Acuff (hopefully mainly still not in form from the broken foot - and will get better), and now Grant (not sure what we are going to get from him yet). We do not need ALL the reserves to be productive, but we do need at least 1-2 per game other than Sommerville to be productive - it can be a different 2 each game as far as I am concerned.​
Overall I reviewed the schedule after having seen the Alabama and A&M games, and factoring in the play of the rest of the Big Ten. And here is my current projection, including what I WOULD have assumed in the games already played:

1) 18 W's, 6 L's and 7 Swing games ... I would have had Kennesaw St as a W, and the Vegas 3rd game as a Swing game.

2) So ... I now project a record of 17-8, with 6 additional "swing" games. 3-3 in the swing games and RU is 20-11 (12-8) ... NCAA bound. Not sure what seed.

3) Of the 6 remaining swing games, 3 are at home - vs tough teams (Purdue, Michigan and Illinois), 2 are on the road (Maryland and Washington) and 1 is MSU at MSG.

Players:

Bailey: Excellent game ... 10-20 FG, 10 rebounds, 2 steals (and I actually had him with 2 blocked shots - not sure what happened there) ... he did have 4 turnovers, all in the 1st half, and was just 2-8 from 3. Still, the best player on the court this game (yes, I put him ahead, though by just a hair, of A&M's Taylor). His defense was solid, his rebounding outstanding. And STILL not a ceiling - in other words this type of game may be more likely to be repeatable (unlike Harper's prior 2 games of 36_ points) ... and he WILL have games in which he is even better. You have to be excited and pleased.

Harper: Not as good as the prior 2 games, forced some things at times, shot poorly (even without the forces, he did not shoot as well as he had in the prior 5 games). But in fairness, credit A&M's defense as well - not every team will be able to defend him that well (even Alabama could not - and they are at least a decent defensive team with a lot of athleticism) - with forcing Harper into a 6-20 night ... 2-6 3-pointers ... but 4-4 FT. I did think Harper played solid defense again, and he did have 3 assists while being credited with 0 turnovers, and added 4 rebunds. He WILL have better games, even scoring 18 points. It was not the 18 points, but rather the inefficiency that hurt.

Williams: Wow ... not a repeatable efficiency , as he will NOT go 7-8 FG often. But he was dominant in the 2nd half, when RU needed him - and yes, the 7-8 FG was great (all good shots) - but it was his PRESENCE, being all over the floor, defensively, rebounding and of course taking and making great shots. He did have 4 turnovers - 3 in the 1st half I think., RU NEEDS a 3rd reliable scorer, and Williams has always been the most likely one to do that - and has been that player. Against A&M he was more than that. Kudos to him and his effort.

Derkack: Started - and appears to be a starter. A little stat-stuffing again: 5 Rebounds, 4 assists, a steal, more solid defense than not, but more fouls from his aggression. He is SO athletic, he can keep up with athletic teams both on defense, on the boards and on offense. Only took 3 shots - but again missed a wide open 3. Because he was not going to the basket, no FT's. I am fine with him as starter, and as a significant part of RU's 1st 7-8 rotation. RU WILL need him to hit some shots in games at some point.

Ogbole: Not as good as against Alabama, but respectable, with 6 rebounds. But obviously limited because of fouls - if he could have played 18-20 minutes instead of 14, that would have helped the team. They did not credit him with a missed shot (I thought he missed an alley-oop dunk), but rather gave him the turnover instead ... that was a key moment, I thought, when RU was surging, and it was part of several moments that impeded RU's 2nd half momentum. Still, Ogbole shows he CAN contribute, as long as he stays out of foul trouble.

Sommerville: Lots of potential, especially offensively. Did have 8 points and 4 rebounds. Still weak defensively from a fundamental stand point. Does some really good things and I expect him to keep improving - it may not be in a straight line, though. Still makes some really stupid plays - lets call them freshman mistakes. His reach-in foul with 4 minutes left, RU up 74-72, was REALLY bad, and a huge error that cost RU a lot: 2-2 FT plus his 5th foul.

The rest: Martini - covered it above, really poor game, both defensively, and with REALLY bad turnovers at HUGE moments, 0-2 FT, no 3-point attempts (because he kept fumbling when receiving the passes) - he was brought in to be a veteran, non-panicky, steadying player, and has not been so, hopefully he can do better against less athletic teams? ... Hayes - 1-5 3 pointers - if he can't hit the 3's, he cannot get a lot of minutes because his defense is so weak ... Davis - a little better defensively, should not have taken the transition 3 he too, 3 assists to 0 turnovers, but has to do better to get more minutes ... Acuff - I thought he was solid in the prior couple of games, but he did not do well against A&M, hence only 6 minutes - is it his foot still limiting him, or something else? ... Grant - out first real glimpse - he's not bashful shooting, either the 3 or going to the rim, eh? - he appears to have some bounce, and may be able to play some solid defense in spots - got 14 minutes because of frontcourt foul trouble and Martini's ineffectiveness - a deep back-up 4 and 5 man.
 
Way to much to read all at once!
I had kind of thought the defense seemed better, but rewatching, not sure it was, A&M just isn't good offensively. This was their first time scoring 80 and shooting better than 40% against teams not named Lamar or East Texas State.
 
Way to much to read all at once!
I had kind of thought the defense seemed better, but rewatching, not sure it was, A&M just isn't good offensively. This was their first time scoring 80 and shooting better than 40% against teams not named Lamar or East Texas State.
Ultimately, Texas A&M was a top-35 offense coming into our game because of their dominance on the offensive glass and we limited them to like five OREBs in the last 30 mins.
 
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Ultimately, Texas A&M was a top-35 offense coming into our game because of their dominance on the offensive glass and we limited them to like five OREBs in the last 30 mins.
We pulled off an amazing job on the boards considering the foul trouble, but all the foul shots also reduced their o rebounding.
Top 35 by what metric? They outscored their season average against us and are like 150th in points per game.
 
I think both teams rebounded about 25% of their own misses, so in that regard the ORebs were even, which for us was an improvement.
 
Some general thoughts, fist:

Based on the game with Texas A&M (and Alabama) I am in combination bummed (RU had a legitimate chance to beat both Alabama and Texas A&M, 2 ranked teams - but fell short), encouraged by improvement in various areas, excited about the remaining possibilities for this team, and concerned about the productive depth of the team.

1) Bummed: What an opportunity the team had! But fell short. Against Alabama, RU having the ball, down 2, with 43 seconds left against Alabama - and again down 3 ... failing to secure a missed FT rebound, Harper not quite making a good effort shot (when down 2 - he was probably fouled), etc. And against Texas A&M, UP 63-54 with 11:30 left, and even after losing the lead, UP 77-76 with 3 minutes left ... and could not close, in successive possessions having Harper force (he really should have passed the ball out - had someone open in the lane, at least) a shot or a turnover (I scored it a turnover, but I think it officially went as a missed shot) - leading to a breakaway dunk, then RU missing a shot, then Martini had a BAD turnover on a decent pass to him, then even after RU got a defensive stop, Martini had ANOTHER turnover after Bailey passed it to him in the corner (Martini wide open) - on neither pass was Martini ready to catch the ball, so he fumbled it ... the last Martini turnover occurred with 40 seconds left RU down 1. Even then, after A&M made 2 FT's, Harper drove to the rim, and had his shot blocked - but I saw that replay: The defender did cleanly block the shot with his right hand, but his LEFT hand hacked Harper's shooting arm before the block. That was with 22 seconds left. Not to mention Sommerville's really stupid reach in foul with about 4 minutes left, after a rebound, with Sommerville reaching in 90 feet from the A&M basket ... ugh ... RU was up 74-72, and the ensuing FT tied the game, plus was Sommerville's 5th foul ... putting Martini back in ...leading to Martini's 2 turnovers.​
2) Encouraged: RU improved their defense (despite the 50%+ FG and 40% 3-point FG) versus Alabama, in my opinion - especially Ogbole and Bailey ... I saw signs. Against Texas A&M, who admittedly is not a great shooting team, I saw even better signs. I thought RU generally played even better defense against A&M than it did against Alabama - though there WERE some exceptions. One notable exception is that RU DID foul too much - and they were legitimate fouls, mostly ... which put A&M on the line 41 times (which is sick) ... so yes, RU still has to work on defending without fouling. But I still saw signs. I ALSO saw significantly improved rebounding, especially after the 1st 10 minutes of the game. Texas A&M is one of the 5-7 best rebounding teams in the country: They averaged +12 rebounds per game, and are especially good on the offensive glass, rebounding 45% of their missed FG. Yet RU OUTREBOUNDED A&M! By SEVEN (42-35)! And held A&+M to 12 offensive rebounds, just 36=7% of their misses ... while RU had 15 offensive rebounds - also 37.5% of RU's misses (A&M had been allowing the opposing teams to grab just 29% of their misses). So I am encouraged with these specific developments. Also encouraged that RU is extremely competitive with top ranked teams - giving me hope RU will be abkle to break through in SOME of these games.​
3) Excited: Yes, excited ... Again, RU had the best player on the floor, even against a ranked team (Bailey this time, vs Harper against Alabama). And again, RU had 2 of the 3 best players - though in this game you might even argue 3 of the best 4 players (Williams being so superb) ... and yes, Harper was the 3rd best player, even 6-20 FG. The team has a TON of upside still, and has not reached its ceiling for team game performance ... which WILL happen in some games to come. Even without that ceiling, RU is extremely competitive with rankled teams - and when back to back on a neutral court, it is not a fluke. We still have not seen Bailey's ceiling performance in an individual game, but will. We HAVE seen Harper's ceiling - but you could argue the Texas A&M game was his WORST game of the season - and he was not really bad - he mainly shot poorly for him, with a couple of bad judgment decisions, but not a lot ... still 3 assists and 0 turnovers. Williams has now had 2 consecutive good games (though he was GREAT vs A&M, not merely good - and he won't do that every game. Williams is clearly RU's # 3 player - which we need. Ogbole is improving, Sommerville - though with several weaknesses, including never passing out of the post, and defensive weaknesses - still has a lot of upside for THIS season. RU still will need other bench players to perform, at least at times ... which leads us to ...​
4) Concern About Quality Depth: I actually was not yet concerned, but do have at least some concerns now. Acuff is still not quite there yet - though I hope he will get there. Martini completely disappeared the last 3 games, and appears completely useless against teams that are athletic and/or have frontcourt size ... that is a problem. Grant did get some play for the first time - and cl;early has some bounce - certainly grabbed some of Martini's minutes - but he is still raw and thoughg aggressively shot, missed them all. Davis did have 3 assists and 0 turnovers (good), was a little better defensively than vs Alabama, but took an ill-advised 2-pointer and missed his WIDE OPEN 3. Hayes - finally got some shots ... and was 1-5 from 3 ... his defense is still so weak that if he is not hitting 3's he cannot get minutes - its a conundrum. Derkack IS useful, got another 5 rebounds, 4 assists and a steal - but only took 3 shots ... is that better than his 2-8 vs Alabama? But though Derkack starts, Williams is clearly ahead of him - and should be. Anyway, with a clear starting 5 of Ogbole at the 5, Bailey at the 4, Williams, Derkack and Harper at the wings ... your bench is Sommerville (fine) ... and ... Hayes (2 good games, vs low level teams), Martini (1 great game, a couple of decent games, but completely disappeared vs the 2 rankled teams), Davis (not as good defensively as last year or as I expected, and still not shooting well, though his FT have improved), Acuff (hopefully mainly still not in form from the broken foot - and will get better), and now Grant (not sure what we are going to get from him yet). We do not need ALL the reserves to be productive, but we do need at least 1-2 per game other than Sommerville to be productive - it can be a different 2 each game as far as I am concerned.​
Overall I reviewed the schedule after having seen the Alabama and A&M games, and factoring in the play of the rest of the Big Ten. And here is my current projection, including what I WOULD have assumed in the games already played:

1) 18 W's, 6 L's and 7 Swing games ... I would have had Kennesaw St as a W, and the Vegas 3rd game as a Swing game.

2) So ... I now project a record of 17-8, with 6 additional "swing" games. 3-3 in the swing games and RU is 20-11 (12-8) ... NCAA bound. Not sure what seed.

3) Of the 6 remaining swing games, 3 are at home - vs tough teams (Purdue, Michigan and Illinois), 2 are on the road (Maryland and Washington) and 1 is MSU at MSG.

Players:

Bailey: Excellent game ... 10-20 FG, 10 rebounds, 2 steals (and I actually had him with 2 blocked shots - not sure what happened there) ... he did have 4 turnovers, all in the 1st half, and was just 2-8 from 3. Still, the best player on the court this game (yes, I put him ahead, though by just a hair, of A&M's Taylor). His defense was solid, his rebounding outstanding. And STILL not a ceiling - in other words this type of game may be more likely to be repeatable (unlike Harper's prior 2 games of 36_ points) ... and he WILL have games in which he is even better. You have to be excited and pleased.

Harper: Not as good as the prior 2 games, forced some things at times, shot poorly (even without the forces, he did not shoot as well as he had in the prior 5 games). But in fairness, credit A&M's defense as well - not every team will be able to defend him that well (even Alabama could not - and they are at least a decent defensive team with a lot of athleticism) - with forcing Harper into a 6-20 night ... 2-6 3-pointers ... but 4-4 FT. I did think Harper played solid defense again, and he did have 3 assists while being credited with 0 turnovers, and added 4 rebunds. He WILL have better games, even scoring 18 points. It was not the 18 points, but rather the inefficiency that hurt.

Williams: Wow ... not a repeatable efficiency , as he will NOT go 7-8 FG often. But he was dominant in the 2nd half, when RU needed him - and yes, the 7-8 FG was great (all good shots) - but it was his PRESENCE, being all over the floor, defensively, rebounding and of course taking and making great shots. He did have 4 turnovers - 3 in the 1st half I think., RU NEEDS a 3rd reliable scorer, and Williams has always been the most likely one to do that - and has been that player. Against A&M he was more than that. Kudos to him and his effort.

Derkack: Started - and appears to be a starter. A little stat-stuffing again: 5 Rebounds, 4 assists, a steal, more solid defense than not, but more fouls from his aggression. He is SO athletic, he can keep up with athletic teams both on defense, on the boards and on offense. Only took 3 shots - but again missed a wide open 3. Because he was not going to the basket, no FT's. I am fine with him as starter, and as a significant part of RU's 1st 7-8 rotation. RU WILL need him to hit some shots in games at some point.

Ogbole: Not as good as against Alabama, but respectable, with 6 rebounds. But obviously limited because of fouls - if he could have played 18-20 minutes instead of 14, that would have helped the team. They did not credit him with a missed shot (I thought he missed an alley-oop dunk), but rather gave him the turnover instead ... that was a key moment, I thought, when RU was surging, and it was part of several moments that impeded RU's 2nd half momentum. Still, Ogbole shows he CAN contribute, as long as he stays out of foul trouble.

Sommerville: Lots of potential, especially offensively. Did have 8 points and 4 rebounds. Still weak defensively from a fundamental stand point. Does some really good things and I expect him to keep improving - it may not be in a straight line, though. Still makes some really stupid plays - lets call them freshman mistakes. His reach-in foul with 4 minutes left, RU up 74-72, was REALLY bad, and a huge error that cost RU a lot: 2-2 FT plus his 5th foul.

The rest: Martini - covered it above, really poor game, both defensively, and with REALLY bad turnovers at HUGE moments, 0-2 FT, no 3-point attempts (because he kept fumbling when receiving the passes) - he was brought in to be a veteran, non-panicky, steadying player, and has not been so, hopefully he can do better against less athletic teams? ... Hayes - 1-5 3 pointers - if he can't hit the 3's, he cannot get a lot of minutes because his defense is so weak ... Davis - a little better defensively, should not have taken the transition 3 he too, 3 assists to 0 turnovers, but has to do better to get more minutes ... Acuff - I thought he was solid in the prior couple of games, but he did not do well against A&M, hence only 6 minutes - is it his foot still limiting him, or something else? ... Grant - out first real glimpse - he's not bashful shooting, either the 3 or going to the rim, eh? - he appears to have some bounce, and may be able to play some solid defense in spots - got 14 minutes because of frontcourt foul trouble and Martini's ineffectiveness - a deep back-up 4 and 5 man.
Grant gonna be playing more than deep back up minutes real soon.
I’d like to see a lineup of JaMike, Dylan, Ace, Grant, Ogbole for stints of 94 feet of hell defense to break games open.
 
How did EO miss that alley oop? Defender tip the ball, bump EO while he was in the air or did EO just fumble it?

Bad pass by Bailey to Martini at the end. At his left thigh?

We are good for 10-12 shots were you're saying to yourself "that's not a good shot" or "we don't need that from you". We can be more efficient on offense by making better choices. We have posters expecting/hoping for better defense, but that requires more skill/effort.
 
We pulled off an amazing job on the boards considering the foul trouble, but all the foul shots also reduced their o rebounding.
Top 35 by what metric? They outscored their season average against us and are like 150th in points per game.
Adjusted offensive efficiency. A&M scored more points against us because it was by far their highest tempo game, but our defense limited them to 1.05 points per possession, a fairly good return against a HM team.
 
Adjusted offensive efficiency. A&M scored more points against us because it was by far their highest tempo game, but our defense limited them to 1.05 points per possession, a fairly good return against a HM team.
You sure? I saw them ranked around 109 at 1.078, .998 in their last three games combined. Texas A&M corpus was ranked up toward the area you mention.
Either way, limiting the offensive rebounds definitely helped, good sign seeing Ace attacking the boards.
 
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You sure? I saw them ranked around 109 at 1.078, .998 in their last three games combined. Texas A&M corpus was ranked up toward the area you mention.
Either way, limiting the offensive rebounds definitely helped, good sign seeing Ace attacking the boards.

Presumably he is referring to Kenpom. They are #37 in offense currently. It does still have some preseason expectations built in though.

On Torvik’s website you can strip out the preseason expectations. If you do that they are #62. Though I will say that those preseason expectations are in there for a reason and without really knowing anything else about A&Ms team the #37 is probably a better estimate.

According to Torvik again, our adjusted DE in the A&M game was 94.9 which was our 2nd best effort of the year (86.6 against Wagner) and would be the #15 defense if sustained. Now some of that was their bricking from three.
 
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Our defense is no where near where it needs to be. It has to be improve a decent amount for us to even fancy ourselves being an at large type of team. Given that we have already dug ourselves a 1 1/2 game hole we have a lot of work to do fast. Can we get through December with only 1 more loss, stop the bleeding and have 1 more full month under our belt where theoretically we have time to improve (let's not forget other teams improve too)
 
a 1 1/2 game hole
Meh it's more like a 1 game hole. Beat OSU and PSU (a tall order, I am aware) and we are back on track at 7-3.

Can we get through December with only 1 more loss, stop the bleeding and have 1 more full month under our belt where theoretically we have time to improve (let's not forget other teams improve too)
Yeah, the way I see it 10-3 though September would be on track, 9-4 is a bit under but within shouting distance.
 
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One more item. I had tried to highlight this before the game (half of my post disappeared into the maw of Rivals software issues that crop up every so often).

Texas A&M's top 3, and 5 of their top 6, players were Seniors or Graduate Seniors. RU's top 2 and 3 of top 5 or 6 players are true freshmen. This is a HUGE difference in physical body development, experience in many basketball situations and judgment/decision-making. We knew this coming into the game. It meant A&M was starting with a large advantage, and to compete - let alone win - RU would have to offset that disadvantage with advantages of its own: Such as the pure talent of its freshmen, or effort, or showing other skills.

I believe RU did SOME of that, evidenced by a combination better rebounding and the performance of Bailey and Williams (combined 17-28 FG). But in the end, Harper and Sommerville made crucial errors down the stretch (and Martini - but he is a graduate player, a 5th year player, and is not supposed to make those types of mistakes, eh?).

Now, RU is going to face this same disadvantage over the rest of the season, as RU relies on its 2 star freshmen, plus Sommerville, more than most Big Ten teams will rely on freshmen: Many Big Ten teams have added numerous veteran transfers, more and at potentially higher levels in some cases than RU's added transfers.

RU's success this year will rely upon a combination of Harper and Bailey simply being better than opposing players in as many games as possible (a very real potential outcome - and there may be times where this facet of RU's advantage may be enough) ... PLUS ... the RU freshmen (Harper, Bailey and Sommerville in particular, and maybe Grant if he starts playing more) climbing that experience and learning curve to make fewer errors at key and pressure moments (a certainty - but will they learn quickly enough?) ... PLUS ... Pikiell's and his staff's ability to "coach up" all the players to shore areas of weakness, such as rebounding and improving the defense (very possible - and I believe we have seen progress towards that vs Alabama and Texas A&M - but still more is needed).
 
Presumably he is referring to Kenpom. They are #37 in offense currently. It does still have some preseason expectations built in though.

On Torvik’s website you can strip out the preseason expectations. If you do that they are #62. Though I will say that those preseason expectations are in there for a reason and without really knowing anything else about A&Ms team the #37 is probably a better estimate.

According to Torvik again, our adjusted DE in the A&M game was 94.9 which was our 2nd best effort of the year (86.6 against Wagner) and would be the #15 defense if sustained. Now some of that was their bricking from three.
Got it. Yeah, its strange offensive team. They aren't good, but when you have a veteran team lead the nation in offensive rebounds and are top 10 in FT attempts, it helps balance it. We played pretty much how they want to play.
 
One more item. I had tried to highlight this before the game (half of my post disappeared into the maw of Rivals software issues that crop up every so often).

Texas A&M's top 3, and 5 of their top 6, players were Seniors or Graduate Seniors. RU's top 2 and 3 of top 5 or 6 players are true freshmen. This is a HUGE difference in physical body development, experience in many basketball situations and judgment/decision-making. We knew this coming into the game. It meant A&M was starting with a large advantage, and to compete - let alone win - RU would have to offset that disadvantage with advantages of its own: Such as the pure talent of its freshmen, or effort, or showing other skills.

I believe RU did SOME of that, evidenced by a combination better rebounding and the performance of Bailey and Williams (combined 17-28 FG). But in the end, Harper and Sommerville made crucial errors down the stretch (and Martini - but he is a graduate player, a 5th year player, and is not supposed to make those types of mistakes, eh?).

Now, RU is going to face this same disadvantage over the rest of the season, as RU relies on its 2 star freshmen, plus Sommerville, more than most Big Ten teams will rely on freshmen: Many Big Ten teams have added numerous veteran transfers, more and at potentially higher levels in some cases than RU's added transfers.

RU's success this year will rely upon a combination of Harper and Bailey simply being better than opposing players in as many games as possible (a very real potential outcome - and there may be times where this facet of RU's advantage may be enough) ... PLUS ... the RU freshmen (Harper, Bailey and Sommerville in particular, and maybe Grant if he starts playing more) climbing that experience and learning curve to make fewer errors at key and pressure moments (a certainty - but will they learn quickly enough?) ... PLUS ... Pikiell's and his staff's ability to "coach up" all the players to shore areas of weakness, such as rebounding and improving the defense (very possible - and I believe we have seen progress towards that vs Alabama and Texas A&M - but still more is needed).
Good point, it hadn't occured to me just how many veterans they were putting out there. Experience everywhere. The end of game looked like it.
 
Meh it's more like a 1 game hole. Beat OSU and PSU (a tall order, I am aware) and we are back on track at 7-3.


Yeah, the way I see it 10-3 though September would be on track, 9-4 is a bit under but within shouting distance.
If we are going all out WAB using bart removing preseaason bias we are like 1.33 in the hole. +.43 WAB is like what the 42nd best team is and we are -.9

winning those 2 games would move us 1/4 win off track

WAB impact
5-0 +1.56 wins
4-1 +.58 wins
3-2 -.42 wins

any outcome between 0 and 5 wins will have @bac2therac lecturing me about WAB being useless and the committee doesn't care an ounce about it.
 
If we are going all out WAB using bart removing preseaason bias we are like 1.33 in the hole. +.43 WAB is like what the 42nd best team is and we are -.9

winning those 2 games would move us 1/4 win off track

WAB impact
5-0 +1.56 wins
4-1 +.58 wins
3-2 -.42 wins

any outcome between 0 and 5 wins will have @bac2therac lecturing me about WAB being useless and the committee doesn't care an ounce about it.
I don't think you should remove the preseason bias; it is there for a reason.

Obviously the committee doesn't care about WAB directly but it is a proxy for what they *do* care about.
 
RU's success this year will rely upon a combination of Harper and Bailey simply being better than opposing players in as many games as possible
I think there is a next level to this.....they need to provide a net benefit in areas other than scoring.

We need the Bailey that gets 8 DREB and the Harper that will guard Sears in the last 2 minutes of a game.

Also they need to be fresh so need to limit minutes
 
I don't think you should remove the preseason bias; it is there for a reason.

Obviously the committee doesn't care about WAB directly but it is a proxy for what they *do* care about.
Very tough to given what me eyes have seen to pencil in the defense efficiency the rest of the way that bart has.

Your 2nd point is well said and with point 1 I am being a whiny emotional b!tch that thinks we will never improve on D because I have been disapppointed
 
Seems like the most uncharacteristic thing that happened in the TAMU game is that the team had a total of 16 turnovers. We had been averaging only 9 turnovers in our first 7 games.

Had we taken 7 more good shots instead of turning the ball over, we likely win this game.

Crazy that Dylan played 36 minutes and had 0 turnovers. Those 8 turnovers by Ace and JWill really hurt.
 
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Very tough to given what me eyes have seen to pencil in the defense efficiency the rest of the way that bart has.

Your 2nd point is well said and with point 1 I am being a whiny emotional b!tch that thinks we will never improve on D because I have been disapppointed
Bear in mind that Bart's preseason weightings are dragging us down on offense too. So if you don't want to pencil in the defense that Bart expects you should pencil in better offense than Bart expects (which probably makes sense).
 
Bear in mind that Bart's preseason weightings are dragging us down on offense too. So if you don't want to pencil in the defense that Bart expects you should pencil in better offense than Bart expects (which probably makes sense).
bart no preseason vs bias

OFF EF 113.8 vs 113.6 barely a bump up
DEF EF 103.5 vs 98.9 a bit difference

To your point....if a vicious person put a gun to my head and said if we would shoot if i couldnt guess our def eff the rest of the way within 5 my guess would probably be the 98.9
 
Our defense is no where near where it needs to be. It has to be improve a decent amount for us to even fancy ourselves being an at large type of team. Given that we have already dug ourselves a 1 1/2 game hole we have a lot of work to do fast. Can we get through December with only 1 more loss, stop the bleeding and have 1 more full month under our belt where theoretically we have time to improve (let's not forget other teams improve too)
I don't see JWill, Davis, Derkack, EO, Acuff, martini or Hayes getting any better on defense. We get the best we can from them. For Martini, Hayes and maybe Acuff, it just won't be enough.

I suppose LS can improve. It catches your eye when he is the breakdown on defense.

Harper and Bailey need to be on the floor. They seem to pick their spots when to turn up the defense.

Imo, our best bet is to delay the opponent from initiating their offense, reducing the time we have to play half court defense. Sagging full court press with some occasional trapping to keep the opponent on their toes.

Will the B1G teams attack the glass like Bama and A&M? I don't have any numbers handy, but hopefully those were the 2 most aggressive teams we'll face??
 
Some general thoughts, fist:

Based on the game with Texas A&M (and Alabama) I am in combination bummed (RU had a legitimate chance to beat both Alabama and Texas A&M, 2 ranked teams - but fell short), encouraged by improvement in various areas, excited about the remaining possibilities for this team, and concerned about the productive depth of the team.

1) Bummed: What an opportunity the team had! But fell short. Against Alabama, RU having the ball, down 2, with 43 seconds left against Alabama - and again down 3 ... failing to secure a missed FT rebound, Harper not quite making a good effort shot (when down 2 - he was probably fouled), etc. And against Texas A&M, UP 63-54 with 11:30 left, and even after losing the lead, UP 77-76 with 3 minutes left ... and could not close, in successive possessions having Harper force (he really should have passed the ball out - had someone open in the lane, at least) a shot or a turnover (I scored it a turnover, but I think it officially went as a missed shot) - leading to a breakaway dunk, then RU missing a shot, then Martini had a BAD turnover on a decent pass to him, then even after RU got a defensive stop, Martini had ANOTHER turnover after Bailey passed it to him in the corner (Martini wide open) - on neither pass was Martini ready to catch the ball, so he fumbled it ... the last Martini turnover occurred with 40 seconds left RU down 1. Even then, after A&M made 2 FT's, Harper drove to the rim, and had his shot blocked - but I saw that replay: The defender did cleanly block the shot with his right hand, but his LEFT hand hacked Harper's shooting arm before the block. That was with 22 seconds left. Not to mention Sommerville's really stupid reach in foul with about 4 minutes left, after a rebound, with Sommerville reaching in 90 feet from the A&M basket ... ugh ... RU was up 74-72, and the ensuing FT tied the game, plus was Sommerville's 5th foul ... putting Martini back in ...leading to Martini's 2 turnovers.​
2) Encouraged: RU improved their defense (despite the 50%+ FG and 40% 3-point FG) versus Alabama, in my opinion - especially Ogbole and Bailey ... I saw signs. Against Texas A&M, who admittedly is not a great shooting team, I saw even better signs. I thought RU generally played even better defense against A&M than it did against Alabama - though there WERE some exceptions. One notable exception is that RU DID foul too much - and they were legitimate fouls, mostly ... which put A&M on the line 41 times (which is sick) ... so yes, RU still has to work on defending without fouling. But I still saw signs. I ALSO saw significantly improved rebounding, especially after the 1st 10 minutes of the game. Texas A&M is one of the 5-7 best rebounding teams in the country: They averaged +12 rebounds per game, and are especially good on the offensive glass, rebounding 45% of their missed FG. Yet RU OUTREBOUNDED A&M! By SEVEN (42-35)! And held A&+M to 12 offensive rebounds, just 36=7% of their misses ... while RU had 15 offensive rebounds - also 37.5% of RU's misses (A&M had been allowing the opposing teams to grab just 29% of their misses). So I am encouraged with these specific developments. Also encouraged that RU is extremely competitive with top ranked teams - giving me hope RU will be abkle to break through in SOME of these games.​
3) Excited: Yes, excited ... Again, RU had the best player on the floor, even against a ranked team (Bailey this time, vs Harper against Alabama). And again, RU had 2 of the 3 best players - though in this game you might even argue 3 of the best 4 players (Williams being so superb) ... and yes, Harper was the 3rd best player, even 6-20 FG. The team has a TON of upside still, and has not reached its ceiling for team game performance ... which WILL happen in some games to come. Even without that ceiling, RU is extremely competitive with rankled teams - and when back to back on a neutral court, it is not a fluke. We still have not seen Bailey's ceiling performance in an individual game, but will. We HAVE seen Harper's ceiling - but you could argue the Texas A&M game was his WORST game of the season - and he was not really bad - he mainly shot poorly for him, with a couple of bad judgment decisions, but not a lot ... still 3 assists and 0 turnovers. Williams has now had 2 consecutive good games (though he was GREAT vs A&M, not merely good - and he won't do that every game. Williams is clearly RU's # 3 player - which we need. Ogbole is improving, Sommerville - though with several weaknesses, including never passing out of the post, and defensive weaknesses - still has a lot of upside for THIS season. RU still will need other bench players to perform, at least at times ... which leads us to ...​
4) Concern About Quality Depth: I actually was not yet concerned, but do have at least some concerns now. Acuff is still not quite there yet - though I hope he will get there. Martini completely disappeared the last 3 games, and appears completely useless against teams that are athletic and/or have frontcourt size ... that is a problem. Grant did get some play for the first time - and cl;early has some bounce - certainly grabbed some of Martini's minutes - but he is still raw and thoughg aggressively shot, missed them all. Davis did have 3 assists and 0 turnovers (good), was a little better defensively than vs Alabama, but took an ill-advised 2-pointer and missed his WIDE OPEN 3. Hayes - finally got some shots ... and was 1-5 from 3 ... his defense is still so weak that if he is not hitting 3's he cannot get minutes - its a conundrum. Derkack IS useful, got another 5 rebounds, 4 assists and a steal - but only took 3 shots ... is that better than his 2-8 vs Alabama? But though Derkack starts, Williams is clearly ahead of him - and should be. Anyway, with a clear starting 5 of Ogbole at the 5, Bailey at the 4, Williams, Derkack and Harper at the wings ... your bench is Sommerville (fine) ... and ... Hayes (2 good games, vs low level teams), Martini (1 great game, a couple of decent games, but completely disappeared vs the 2 rankled teams), Davis (not as good defensively as last year or as I expected, and still not shooting well, though his FT have improved), Acuff (hopefully mainly still not in form from the broken foot - and will get better), and now Grant (not sure what we are going to get from him yet). We do not need ALL the reserves to be productive, but we do need at least 1-2 per game other than Sommerville to be productive - it can be a different 2 each game as far as I am concerned.​
Overall I reviewed the schedule after having seen the Alabama and A&M games, and factoring in the play of the rest of the Big Ten. And here is my current projection, including what I WOULD have assumed in the games already played:

1) 18 W's, 6 L's and 7 Swing games ... I would have had Kennesaw St as a W, and the Vegas 3rd game as a Swing game.

2) So ... I now project a record of 17-8, with 6 additional "swing" games. 3-3 in the swing games and RU is 20-11 (12-8) ... NCAA bound. Not sure what seed.

3) Of the 6 remaining swing games, 3 are at home - vs tough teams (Purdue, Michigan and Illinois), 2 are on the road (Maryland and Washington) and 1 is MSU at MSG.

Players:

Bailey: Excellent game ... 10-20 FG, 10 rebounds, 2 steals (and I actually had him with 2 blocked shots - not sure what happened there) ... he did have 4 turnovers, all in the 1st half, and was just 2-8 from 3. Still, the best player on the court this game (yes, I put him ahead, though by just a hair, of A&M's Taylor). His defense was solid, his rebounding outstanding. And STILL not a ceiling - in other words this type of game may be more likely to be repeatable (unlike Harper's prior 2 games of 36_ points) ... and he WILL have games in which he is even better. You have to be excited and pleased.

Harper: Not as good as the prior 2 games, forced some things at times, shot poorly (even without the forces, he did not shoot as well as he had in the prior 5 games). But in fairness, credit A&M's defense as well - not every team will be able to defend him that well (even Alabama could not - and they are at least a decent defensive team with a lot of athleticism) - with forcing Harper into a 6-20 night ... 2-6 3-pointers ... but 4-4 FT. I did think Harper played solid defense again, and he did have 3 assists while being credited with 0 turnovers, and added 4 rebunds. He WILL have better games, even scoring 18 points. It was not the 18 points, but rather the inefficiency that hurt.

Williams: Wow ... not a repeatable efficiency , as he will NOT go 7-8 FG often. But he was dominant in the 2nd half, when RU needed him - and yes, the 7-8 FG was great (all good shots) - but it was his PRESENCE, being all over the floor, defensively, rebounding and of course taking and making great shots. He did have 4 turnovers - 3 in the 1st half I think., RU NEEDS a 3rd reliable scorer, and Williams has always been the most likely one to do that - and has been that player. Against A&M he was more than that. Kudos to him and his effort.

Derkack: Started - and appears to be a starter. A little stat-stuffing again: 5 Rebounds, 4 assists, a steal, more solid defense than not, but more fouls from his aggression. He is SO athletic, he can keep up with athletic teams both on defense, on the boards and on offense. Only took 3 shots - but again missed a wide open 3. Because he was not going to the basket, no FT's. I am fine with him as starter, and as a significant part of RU's 1st 7-8 rotation. RU WILL need him to hit some shots in games at some point.

Ogbole: Not as good as against Alabama, but respectable, with 6 rebounds. But obviously limited because of fouls - if he could have played 18-20 minutes instead of 14, that would have helped the team. They did not credit him with a missed shot (I thought he missed an alley-oop dunk), but rather gave him the turnover instead ... that was a key moment, I thought, when RU was surging, and it was part of several moments that impeded RU's 2nd half momentum. Still, Ogbole shows he CAN contribute, as long as he stays out of foul trouble.

Sommerville: Lots of potential, especially offensively. Did have 8 points and 4 rebounds. Still weak defensively from a fundamental stand point. Does some really good things and I expect him to keep improving - it may not be in a straight line, though. Still makes some really stupid plays - lets call them freshman mistakes. His reach-in foul with 4 minutes left, RU up 74-72, was REALLY bad, and a huge error that cost RU a lot: 2-2 FT plus his 5th foul.

The rest: Martini - covered it above, really poor game, both defensively, and with REALLY bad turnovers at HUGE moments, 0-2 FT, no 3-point attempts (because he kept fumbling when receiving the passes) - he was brought in to be a veteran, non-panicky, steadying player, and has not been so, hopefully he can do better against less athletic teams? ... Hayes - 1-5 3 pointers - if he can't hit the 3's, he cannot get a lot of minutes because his defense is so weak ... Davis - a little better defensively, should not have taken the transition 3 he too, 3 assists to 0 turnovers, but has to do better to get more minutes ... Acuff - I thought he was solid in the prior couple of games, but he did not do well against A&M, hence only 6 minutes - is it his foot still limiting him, or something else? ... Grant - out first real glimpse - he's not bashful shooting, either the 3 or going to the rim, eh? - he appears to have some bounce, and may be able to play some solid defense in spots - got 14 minutes because of frontcourt foul trouble and Martini's ineffectiveness - a deep back-up 4 and 5 man.
Great recap. I think th jury is still our on Acuff because of his injury and Hayes because of a lack of sample size. Hayes came into the A&M game shooting 50% from 3. Even great shooters can lay a 1-5 egg from 3 in a single game. Martini, however, has played a lot of minutes and appears to be in over his head, which is very concerning given this team's need for post defense and rebounding.
 
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