i think at the end of the day that loss is going to hurt us, every day on Facebook or twitter I see someone big time company post about him and his highlights. Idk how we lost him but I think it’ll sting
Mac McClung
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Oh, thank goodness. I didn't think there was enough to complain about on this board.
I Think Shaq Carter fills a way bigger void and will be an overall better college basketball player. Maybe if a dunk contest win got you an auto qualifying ncaa tournament bid the Mcclung loss would bite us badly
Want basketball players, not mixtape idols.
Would have been great to watch him jumping over people in giant mascot heads for dunks at Midnight Madness. Probably wouldn't have been so fun to watch in a game where actual skills are required to be effective.
I'm not rooting against McClung and hope he does well at Georgetown, but as a lot have mentioned above, highlights and dunks are rare in quality games in the B1G and sound basketball decision making and hard work will make a successful guard.
Ironically, so much self promotion isn't probably in the long term interest of anyone player, when your opponents take notes and really don't need any more reason to be dialed in and focused to shove right back in McClung mug/face.........I think (very likely) that came across clearly during his weekend visit and we are already working through a lot of these issues with a clearly more talented and gifted player in Sanders....learning how to play within the team concept and doing sound basketball things, can be difficult to transition into from HS to college, when every possession isn't all about you and what you did to upload highlights.
I'm fairly confident we will land a significantly better guard and player than McClung.
Ironically, so much self promotion isn't probably in the long term interest of anyone player, when your opponents take notes and really don't need any more reason to be dialed in and focused to shove right back in McClung mug/face.........I think (very likely) that came across clearly during his weekend visit and we are already working through a lot of these issues with a clearly more talented and gifted player in Sanders....learning how to play within the team concept and doing sound basketball things, can be difficult to transition into from HS to college, when every possession isn't all about you and what you did to upload highlights.
I'm fairly confident we will land a significantly better guard and player than McClung.
How do you plan on coming to a conclusion that one is better than another??
Is it playing time at another school??
Is it PPG or highlight plays on SportsCenter or an assumption of what he would have scored at RU??
Or is it, how many 2nd shot opportunities or offensive rebounds we give up because we didn't have Shaq Carter to help rebound against the strongest front lines up and down the B1G lineups??
Based on impact to the program a 20 game B1G schedule and a couple of other games mixed in, you have ZERO shot to be competitive, if you cant rebound an opponents missed shot and don't have a presence or some sort inside....
In some cases it does work in the opposite direction where a recruit perhaps goes to a better program and winds up wasting his career on a bench, vs finding the best program where he can play, develop and perhaps get to the next level or professional ball.
There were more people excited about McClungs athleticism, but Russ Wood and the recruiting experts expressed concern or amazement that RU offered McClung, based on his AAU playing time and other factors. These are not my opinions, I would be on board if McClung was signed and assume the best, but there is no possible way I would trade McClung for Carter.....Or the question is can you find a better PF than Carter vs a better guard than McClung....??
Curious to learn how fans determine what would be a recruiting "miss"
I’m comparing impact.
I want Shaq Carter to make over 50% of 1 footers and grab as many boards as Freeman. Shaq’s one tape shows he’s a really good finisher at the rim. He’s expected to replace Freeman’s positive impact immediately. Let’s see in the B1G. Oh and we only have him for 2 years. A win now recruit on a team that clearly isn’t win now. Not anymore.
I’m also bearish on Pikiell’s recruiting. I wasn’t before. I am now. It’s Chris Ash like. If he kills it in 2019 then I’ll believe again. But I’m too much of a realist knowing that the under-recruited, lunch pail, message board favorite, speaks so we’ll roster isn’t going to get it done. Maybe Montez Mathis is nasty. I thought he was until folks tempered those expectations.
We’ll see.
I want Shaq Carter to make over 50% of 1 footers and grab as many boards as Freeman. Shaq’s one tape shows he’s a really good finisher at the rim. He’s expected to replace Freeman’s positive impact immediately. Let’s see in the B1G. Oh and we only have him for 2 years. A win now recruit on a team that clearly isn’t win now. Not anymore.
I’m also bearish on Pikiell’s recruiting. I wasn’t before. I am now. It’s Chris Ash like. If he kills it in 2019 then I’ll believe again. But I’m too much of a realist knowing that the under-recruited, lunch pail, message board favorite, speaks so we’ll roster isn’t going to get it done. Maybe Montez Mathis is nasty. I thought he was until folks tempered those expectations.
We’ll see.
RU traded up when they replaced McClung with Carter.
The bottom line with recruiting is that did your roster in totality improve with what is coming in versus what you replaced
I think our 2018-2019 roster will do that versus 2017-2018 when you add the additions, subtract those who won’t be here, and consider improvement in the players on the returning roster
And that’s before any Spring Additions
Class of 2019 is a huge chance to make even a bigger total upgrade,
Process takes time
I think our 2018-2019 roster will do that versus 2017-2018 when you add the additions, subtract those who won’t be here, and consider improvement in the players on the returning roster
And that’s before any Spring Additions
Class of 2019 is a huge chance to make even a bigger total upgrade,
Process takes time
Tough to say. I know what you are saying about being bearish. I will tell you one thing, if Johnson and Kiss aren't impact players next year, that would be an issue.
I think as it stands, given different situations, the programs starting lineup is
Baker, Kiss, Thiam, Omoyuri, Doucoure
Mensah, Mathis, Harper Jr, Carter, Johnson
To me, what is important is having that seemingly strong second unit that can give you solid production.
At the moment, it will be hard to say he will replace Freemans activity. What he will give you is more consistency, and a better team player.
Mathis is still a player that every successful team must have. I am still high on him, and what he will bring over four years. I think the most important player coming in is Harper Jr. If he can transfer his shooting, the team might be able to get over that .500 bump. Big If. What changed from being a team that can't win now? An Omoyuri injury? Also, what is very important is Pikiells last recruit if someone is to leave. He has to fill it with a great player.
There's a lot here...a.lot of vague or not specific items....
Freeman is a hard working college player at 6'6" asked to play against most nights players bigger than him...is that the baseline for what we are comparing to??
Carter is not a player that has to rely on quickness in all cases to score and create space to shoot over a bigger defender...without as many offensive moves as Freeman may have, Carter should be a better finisher in traffic and closer to the basket.
"I hope Mathis is nasty"....define what freshman guard walks into a building program and is considered "nasty"....if your expectation is a 1 or 2 and done player, then that's not what RU is getting....I don't know what amount of points he will score next year, BUT the point of picking RU over schools like Tech Xavier and ultimately UConn, was to earn playing time and a chance to play early.
As far as 2019 "bearish recruiting"....all I'm asking is for specifics....is it 1 Top 100 kid and 2 others in the Top 150??
Getting specific answers to these "questions, would help set realistic and what's fantasy land expectations on recruiting...Very few schools outside of the Top.10-15 land 3 kids in the Top 150 year in and out....once in every 3-4 years perhaps but if you have evidence of a school not in the Top 15 most years doing this, show me the stats.
It's probably 4-5 out of the 14 teams in the B1G recruiting at that level...
I'd like 2 5*'s every year as well....I'm also aware in 99% of the cases it rarely comes without some extreme circumstances on and off the court.
Carter finishing in traffic moving or just putting it back versus two players? He has been sharing some minutes recently at his school. I know he just started playing in HS. I don't want to start getting skiddish, but I hope he pans out, or Pikiell could be in a weird spot.
Myself, I would turn bearish if Myles Johnson didn't turn out to be a player that could produce 5, 4 rb pg. Only because Pikiell missed with Mensah. Carter has to really be as advertised and be a 6 ppg, 7 rb pg player.
You're confident about a lot of things that don't end up happening. Two questions:
If it is so clear that Carter is a better recruit/player than McClung, then why did McClung get Rutgers' last 2018 scholarship? You are aware that Carter only got a committable offer after McClung decommitted, aren't you?
What are your legitimate expectations for Carter? You do realize he only averages 8 and 7 at the Juco level, not sure what you are anticipating he's going to do against the Big Ten?
I'll apologize ahead of time but Carter captured an offer months ahead of McClungs offer......McClung was offered much later and accepted 1st, ahead of Mathis etc...Harper was offered and accepted within a week or two of getting it.
I do realize not everyone follows the recruiting cycles of football and hoops as closely as other do.
On Carter, I just googled a link of Carter's games and they are available online to watch. Sometimes the stats and type of game played are far different from a controlled environment and pace of a B1G conference game...part of that is projecting forward not the stats of the player but situations where the player is on defense or offense and how would that look at RU, based on how we play.
There are really simple things that RU players don't have the skill sets to do,like passing out of the post or finishing in traffic...those items show up in the games online...the other aspect is confidence the guards have to give a player the ball and will the ball movement stop or does it still move...??
Carter's offer did not become committable until McClung decommitted. That is a fact. Which tells me that McClung was higher on the staff's board. I'm not even sure how this is arguable.
Kinda creepy that you still follow a high school kid, NOT coming here, on FB. Like seriously creepy.
That is actually not true....at all....On paper, the offer and goal of signing in the fall was what all the recruits wanted, when the player was offered is where you are incorrect.
Did the other offers that were out there get accepted first and make RU on paper "full"....?? yes, but to say the offer was not commitable is not true. Some schools prefer to make room for those deemed to be priority, which is ultimately why McClung decommitted and Carter committed. Hell or high water, if Carter wanted to commit, his commitment would have been accepted.
I believe "making room" was perhaps asking another player not named Mathis or Carter or Harper if they would be willing to perhaps wait and sign in the spring, while being verbally committed....at that time, the season plays itself out and if there are departures then, the room for 2018 becomes available....McClung was likely asked to defer his commitment and perhaps it was suggested he should, since Carter was the priority....he decided not too (perhaps out of pride and not feeling he should have had to OR should not have been asked to....
But made no mistake, Carter was the priority over McClung, looking at the roster make up now and for next year, it's clear that Carter is a higher priority in the front line....McClung would have been at best, the 4th guard if he stayed committed behind Sanders (if he stays), Baker, Mathis and Kiss/Harper....not a slight against McClung, he has ability, but was in no way a priority over the other 3 signed commitments....their status clearly says so, they signed....
All very true. Still thought Carter would have higher numbers. Hopefully it shakes out well.
I don’t follow him on anything, but all the time I see clips of him posted by Ballislife, bleacherreport, etc.
Learn to read before attacking me.
It's no secret that we wanted Shaq more. Just because they let the kid decommit instead of throwing him out doesn't mean he was higher on the pecking order.
Guys
Read the tea leaves
I wanted Mac
But he backed out the same weekend Paul mulchay (same position) was on campus again and and a week before or after aundre Hyatt was again on campus
He then knew he was being recruited as s depth piece (which every team needs) but could very well be the 5th or 6th player at the 1,2, and 3 spot by his soph year and sought a situation where that would be less likely
Can’t blame him ..but carter was always a take in this class no matter what
Read the tea leaves
I wanted Mac
But he backed out the same weekend Paul mulchay (same position) was on campus again and and a week before or after aundre Hyatt was again on campus
He then knew he was being recruited as s depth piece (which every team needs) but could very well be the 5th or 6th player at the 1,2, and 3 spot by his soph year and sought a situation where that would be less likely
Can’t blame him ..but carter was always a take in this class no matter what
ya he was scared of competition here but has no problem with Georgetown lol
Georgetown may have pushed harder. I was told that the Hoyas liked him so much they discussed reclassifying and coming to Georgetown this season.
I really don't think he was scared by Mulcahy. Anyways, he ended up at Georgetown, not Monmouth. So clearly he doesn't fear competition. He's not with us anymore, so whatever, but it is annoying when people downgrade the skills of a player because he goes somewhere else.
Even before he committed, I don’t think anyone was saying he was a major pickup.
People were much more excited when Mathis committed.
What skills did people say they were excited about with Mac?
He was a good dunker (but not during games).
Was he a scorer?
Slasher?
Shooter from 3?
Lock down defender?
And he is on the short side I believe.
I and I think most people felt he was depth, and we hoped to recruit higher level athletes in 2019 class.
His only other real offer was Georgetown.
I can’t believe anyone on this board is lamenting his loss and think that will doom Pike.
Give me a break.
And this is NOT revisionist history.
I doubt he was outplayed by Souf. I mean come on. Unless it was the other Souf that was bringing it to Corey over the summer and fall. :joy:
Hawk, a simple question deserves a simple answer. How do you compare McClung vs Carter? By seeing which player has more impact on his team. It’s the old eye test.
