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Just a wild guess (or more of a hope)....
Mathis leads the team in MPG.
Mathis
Kiss
Carter
McConnell
Harper
Johnson
i have zero to base this on
Mathis leads the team in MPG.
Mathis
Kiss
Carter
McConnell
Harper
Johnson
i have zero to base this on
Johnson
Mathis
Kiss
Carter
Harper
McConnell
I have confidence in this group. I think they will be awesome and can you make that a Diet Coke instead of a mountain dew ?
Mathis
Kiss
Carter
Harper
McConnell
I have confidence in this group. I think they will be awesome and can you make that a Diet Coke instead of a mountain dew ?
The key isn't determining how many minutes the newcomers actually play or dont...it's how effective or reliable each player is, when they get into the game.
But to answer the original posters item, which is a good discussion.
Mathis, Kiss, Carter, McConnell, Harper and Johnson. This is based on more 3 guard lineups more than talent ability....it also assumes we don't add a grad transfer to the backcourt.
But to answer the original posters item, which is a good discussion.
Mathis, Kiss, Carter, McConnell, Harper and Johnson. This is based on more 3 guard lineups more than talent ability....it also assumes we don't add a grad transfer to the backcourt.
Mathis (25+)
Carter (14-18)
Johnson (12-15)
Harper (10-15)
McConnell (10-15)
Kiss (10-15)
I think Kiss is in the toughest spot. He has to fight with Mathis and Baker at the 2, and Thiam and Harper on the wing. Assuming Mathis gets 25+, Thiam gets 25+, and Baker gets 5 minutes off the ball with McConnell at the 1... that'd leave about 10 min at the 2 and 15 on the wing, which he'd be battling Harper for.
Right now my impression is that by season's end, Harper will be seeing more time than Kiss across those minutes.
Carter (14-18)
Johnson (12-15)
Harper (10-15)
McConnell (10-15)
Kiss (10-15)
I think Kiss is in the toughest spot. He has to fight with Mathis and Baker at the 2, and Thiam and Harper on the wing. Assuming Mathis gets 25+, Thiam gets 25+, and Baker gets 5 minutes off the ball with McConnell at the 1... that'd leave about 10 min at the 2 and 15 on the wing, which he'd be battling Harper for.
Right now my impression is that by season's end, Harper will be seeing more time than Kiss across those minutes.
I'm guessing your banking on Kiss and Harper squeezing Issa's minutes (specifically Kiss being better than Thiam). We'll see. I'm not sold on that at all.
Carter (starter at "4" and will get pretty close to Freeman's minutes.)
Mathis (starter at "2" and will get around 20 mpg)
Kiss (He and Thiam are getting the majority of the wing minutes)
McConnell (someone needs to spell Geo at the "1")
Myles (I don't see Doucoure or Shaq playing much "4" so unless we play two centers there just aren't a "ton" of minutes to split here)
Harper (one of either Harper or Mathis are going to be in the 6-7 mpg range. I think Harper is going to be really good which is different than he is going to really good as a freshman)
Mathis (starter at "2" and will get around 20 mpg)
Kiss (He and Thiam are getting the majority of the wing minutes)
McConnell (someone needs to spell Geo at the "1")
Myles (I don't see Doucoure or Shaq playing much "4" so unless we play two centers there just aren't a "ton" of minutes to split here)
Harper (one of either Harper or Mathis are going to be in the 6-7 mpg range. I think Harper is going to be really good which is different than he is going to really good as a freshman)
I have no idea what to expect from anyone. I'd like to think/hope most of the newcomers are better than '17-'18 Issa on Day 1.
Geo should/will lead the team in minutes. Like last season we do have a depth issue at guard with only Geo, Mathis and McConnell as traditional "1"'s or "2"'s. The issue is more about defense than offense. I am not sure I see players like Thiam, Kiss or Harper able to guard kids like Robert Johnson, Josh Langford or Shep Garner, etc. etc, Those players are the protypical "2" that you see in the B1G.
Be interesting to see if we play more zone this year to protect against this. Next year with Young and Mulcahy our depth issue at guard ends.
Lack of defense had me eating tickets during the end of the Jordan era. I couldn't stomach watching it. Defense IS as important as offense. with that being said.......
We were 28th in adjusted defensive efficiency and 270th in adjusted offensive efficiency
The offense has to be improved and it will come at the expense of defense. You can not play guys who can't or won't shoot.
We should have enough capable bodies to field a team that will drastically improve our offense. I believe we have a defensive foundation in place where a roster of a lot of new guys has a floor of being in the 100th area.
We were 28th in adjusted defensive efficiency and 270th in adjusted offensive efficiency
The offense has to be improved and it will come at the expense of defense. You can not play guys who can't or won't shoot.
We should have enough capable bodies to field a team that will drastically improve our offense. I believe we have a defensive foundation in place where a roster of a lot of new guys has a floor of being in the 100th area.
I'd be willing to bet a large sum that both Thiam (3) and Omoruyi (4) are starters. You may have forgotten Omoruyi when you ran through the above, he is a team captain and there is no way he slides to the end of the bench.
But they won't be competing against 17-18 Issa on Day 1. Thiam will take steps forward in the off season just as he did from Year 1 to 2 - and having real competition for minutes in practice should push him more than he was pushed last year.
I hope you are right. You can't teach 6'10''. Hopefully having freeman and sanders out of the picture takes Issa out of his shell. Still think primary issue is the slow release and release point. He did not fix that in the offseason last year.
He is selfless (to a fault), a very willing defender and passer and a good teammate. He is the type of guy I'd love to see succeed.
Williams was a captain last year and didn't start. If Eugene beats out Carter at "4" then he will have taken another big step forward and we will be better than I think (and I think we are going to be pretty good).
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I think that Geo, Issa, and Eugene will be the core of the team and get the most minutes. They seem to be the most complete players offensively and defensively. Unless I'm not seeing enough highlights, Johnson and Carter both seem to be limited in terms of quickness and offensive skill, so they could spell Doorson (after Doucoure) at the 5 and maybe play some 4 if it's a good match-up. I think Kiss could start the season at the 2 since he has experience and seems pretty skilled. Mathis will get his minutes, as will the other guards as the season progresses. Harper has potential, but that's all at this point, imo.
Why do you think Day 1 Carter offers more than Eugene? I would love to see it.....and i am not doubting it is possible.
I do think unless Eugene improves a ton I'd like to have a squad where he gets 10-15 MPG.
The honest reality is if we are going to make a move up we are going to have to either see massive improvement of returning players OR see returning players have reduced roles. It isn't logical to read how much we are going to miss Sanders and Freeman PLUS returning guys getting same or more minutes AND we are going to be improved or the same.
I do not believe Coach P is willing to put a squad on the floor that is not a very strong rebounding team. As good as Eugene was a year ago he still only gave us 4.3 rpg in league games. Rutgers needs to replace almost 11 rpg in B1G games between what we lost in Freeman (6.5 rpg) and Corey (4.2 rpg---he was an exceptional rebounder for a guard in league). That is almost 33% of our in league rebounds. From what I have read and seen of Carter his rebounding ability seems to be his biggest strength. I think he can come close to giving us (maybe even exceeding) what Deshaun gave us on the glass which is why I believe Carter gets a bunch of minutes at the "4" this season.
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Johnson is not limited in terms of offensive skill from what I remember of his highlight tapes. Plus reports were he was the best big by the end of the season. I think he's the most offensively skilled big man on the team. Also could see Duke playing some 4
Agree with all except on Harper, I think he will be ready to contribute. He may not play a ton but it will be because we'll have other options that are bit further along in terms of defense, conditioning, etc.
You could as we did play Eugene and Freeman together a bunch. That obviously takes minutes from all of Doucoure, Myles and Doorson. And I have a feeling Doucoure is our most improved player in '18-'19. So, I think he plays a bunch.
And I am in no way suggesting Eugene isn't going to play a bunch. I would be surprised if he isn't close to the 22 minutes he averaged in B1G games a year ago. So, lets say they play 5 mpg together and Carter gets the other 18 minutes at PF. That is 23 mpg for Carter which, as per the intent of the OP, would (for me) allot him the most minutes of the 5 newcomers as I am not sure I see another one getting more than 23 mpg.
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I hear ya. The only person I could see guarenteed 25+ MPG is Geo Baker. Everything is hard to predict.
That is not to say the team doesn't have talent. Ithink they do have a large amount, but a lot of players are similar in their skillset to really know how they will differentiate themselves. It will fun to watch it play out.
Thiam and Eugene are your likely two best defensive players but neither can score on their own. I think they are best suited as veteran energy sources off the bench.
There's not a lot of proven shooters on the roster and Mathis is the only one potential player that develops to help Baker "get his own basket".
Baker, Mathis Kiss Carter and Doucoure would be my starting 5...not because they are the best 5, but two of the 5 can stay on the court....if Doucoure has a quick foul, then Eugene can come in and Carter moves to the 5....if Mathis isn't clicking, you can bring in McConnell and move Baker to the 2...or move Kiss to the 2 and bring in Thiam/Harper
If the team has a chance to be extremely quick on defense (especially against Mid Major or smaller teams), you may see Issa and the 4 and Carter/Eugene with a very smaller roster...mind you everyone could be 6'4 to 6'5" or taller at every position so you wouldn't be too undersized.
The B1G games and Miami may see more traditional lineups with Doucoure/Myles at the 5, Carter 4 and Thiam/Kiss/Harper at the 3.
If Harper arrives ready to work and can give short stints of defense without any lapses, he'll earn minutes....same with McConnell....if you buy into and learn the rotations on defense, they will play.
There's not a lot of proven shooters on the roster and Mathis is the only one potential player that develops to help Baker "get his own basket".
Baker, Mathis Kiss Carter and Doucoure would be my starting 5...not because they are the best 5, but two of the 5 can stay on the court....if Doucoure has a quick foul, then Eugene can come in and Carter moves to the 5....if Mathis isn't clicking, you can bring in McConnell and move Baker to the 2...or move Kiss to the 2 and bring in Thiam/Harper
If the team has a chance to be extremely quick on defense (especially against Mid Major or smaller teams), you may see Issa and the 4 and Carter/Eugene with a very smaller roster...mind you everyone could be 6'4 to 6'5" or taller at every position so you wouldn't be too undersized.
The B1G games and Miami may see more traditional lineups with Doucoure/Myles at the 5, Carter 4 and Thiam/Kiss/Harper at the 3.
If Harper arrives ready to work and can give short stints of defense without any lapses, he'll earn minutes....same with McConnell....if you buy into and learn the rotations on defense, they will play.
Good point. Looking at kenpom DREB numbers...
If a shot goes up % of time they got DREB...
Freeman 21.7%
Sanders 12.9
Williams 11.6
Eugene 14.8
Baker 6.5
Issa 12.7
Shaq 14.0
I can see Shaq Carter getting minutes based a lot on DREB which may be needed.
How will Mathis kiss McConnell Harper do?
Kiss was 16.5 on quinnipiac
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