My Big 10 Power Rankings

[bac2therac]

1. Purdue
2. Michigan State
3. Ohio State
4. Michigan
5. Nebraska
6. Maryland
7. Penn State
8. Indiana
9. Northwestern
10. Minnesota
11. Wisconsin
12. Rutgers
13. Illinois
14. Iowa

big story is Nebraska has now emerged from the bottom to be a serious NCAA contender. If they can take care of business down the stretch they will be in great shape even though they are lacking in non conference quality wins and have that bad loss to St Johns. Looks like Big 10 has 4 locks with Nebby the likely 5th. I still say that Maryland will make it 6 when all is said and done. PSU does have a shot if they can finish strong and get another quality win but they have alot of work to do. Minnesota down to 3-7 is the only other school that has a shot but only if they can go on a tear the last few weeks. I think the bottom 4 will stay the bottom 4 the rest of the year and play first day Big 10 tourney. Only question is which team finishes last, if RU can beat Illinois tomorrow, it would really help their chances of staying out of the basement

 

[superfan01]

Is Maryland a ncaa team this year. Do they get in.

Thinking only 5 big teams get in this year.

 

[RUJMM78]

Purdue.Michigan State,Ohio State and Michigan clearly are the best league teams and sure NCAA selections.The rest of the league has a lot of parity and mediocrity.One or two more teams could get NCAA bids depending how they perform in head to head league competition and the B1G tournament.

As to Rutgers I don't think it matters where they finish in the bottom four.They will have a chance to win their first game but then the season will end the next day against stronger competition.

 

[blockm2]

big story is Nebraska has now emerged from the bottom to be a serious NCAA contender. If they can take care of business down the stretch they will be in great shape even though they are lacking in non conference quality wins and have that bad loss to St Johns.

I'm not sure they are a "serious contender" for the tourney at this point. Bart Torvik has a reasonably good predictive model for NCAA bids and has them as the 18th team out right now. Main problem in their bid is they rank 103rd nationally in "resume" by his measure right now. They have 1 top 50 win right now (Michigan at home) and only 2 total road wins (Northwestern, Rutgers).

With Torvik's T-cast if you have Nebraska win out their remaining games prior to Big Ten tourney, he still leaves them as the 3rd team left out of the tourney with a resume ranked #91. They just have no really good wins left on their schedule.

They are a team that will probably end up with a shiny record, but an RPI in the 45-55 range and a massive lack of good wins and losses to St. Johns and UCF. I think if they want to feel safely in, they probably need to win their last 7 regular season games and then advance to Big Ten semis.

 

[bac2therac]

if Nebraska finishes 11-7 in the Big 10 they are going to dance...these things to tend to work themselves out in the long run....not a fan of predictive of what other teams are doing. More concerned with what one school does to help itself get in. From years of following this I know that some teams in that list or just outside the rankings will clearly play their way out. Much like a bunch of ACC schools did last year. Big East will not get 7 bids for example

making a list of schools out and their rank this far away from tourney selection day is pointless

 

[blockm2]

if Nebraska finishes 11-7 in the Big 10 they are going to dance...these things to tend to work themselves out in the long run....not a fan of predictive of what other teams are doing. More concerned with what one school does to help itself get in. From years of following this I know that some teams in that list or just outside the rankings will clearly play their way out. Much like a bunch of ACC schools did last year. Big East will not get 7 bids for example

making a list of schools out and their rank this far away from tourney selection day is pointless

Just to be clear, Torvik predicts them out at 14-4 in Big Ten play. They have almost no shot at 11-7 as they’d have a horrible resume. At 11-7, they will be 20-11 overall with a likely record as follows by KenPom rank opponent:

1-50: 1-6
51-100: 6-5
101-200: 8-0
200+: 5-0

 

[shields]

Losing to the Johnnies does not help.

 

[bac2therac]

Just to be clear, Torvik predicts them out at 14-4 in Big Ten play. They have almost no shot at 11-7 as they’d have a horrible resume. At 11-7, they will be 20-11 overall with a likely record as follows by KenPom rank opponent:

1-50: 1-6
51-100: 6-5
101-200: 8-0
200+: 5-0

14-4?...DUDE if they were 14-4 they are getting in.

20-11/11-7 and 7-11 vs top 100 puts them right there, now yes maybe they need to do well in the Big 10 tourney and yes I know the big wins are lacking but one could have said that about Illinois last year and if they didnt screw up and lose to Rutgers, they would have got in. You can say conference record does not matter but it most certainly does. NCAA uses rpi and not Kenpom so stop with that

 

[BigEastPhil]

1. Purdue
2. Michigan State
3. Ohio State
4. Michigan
5. Nebraska
6. Maryland
7. Penn State
8. Indiana
9. Northwestern
10. Minnesota
11. Wisconsin
12. Rutgers
13. Illinois
14. Iowa

big story is Nebraska has now emerged from the bottom to be a serious NCAA contender. If they can take care of business down the stretch they will be in great shape even though they are lacking in non conference quality wins and have that bad loss to St Johns. Looks like Big 10 has 4 locks with Nebby the likely 5th. I still say that Maryland will make it 6 when all is said and done. PSU does have a shot if they can finish strong and get another quality win but they have alot of work to do. Minnesota down to 3-7 is the only other school that has a shot but only if they can go on a tear the last few weeks. I think the bottom 4 will stay the bottom 4 the rest of the year and play first day Big 10 tourney. Only question is which team finishes last, if RU can beat Illinois tomorrow, it would really help their chances of staying out of the basement

Bac - pretty much agree with the above with the exception that I'd have Illinois over Rutgers. Illinois is better than us. I have to say we're #13 as we surpass Iowa.

 

[blockm2]

14-4?...DUDE if they were 14-4 they are getting in.

20-11/11-7 and 7-11 vs top 100 puts them right there, now yes maybe they need to do well in the Big 10 tourney and yes I know the big wins are lacking but one could have said that about Illinois last year and if they didnt screw up and lose to Rutgers, they would have got in. You can say conference record does not matter but it most certainly does. NCAA uses rpi and not Kenpom so stop with that

Conference record literally doesn’t matter by either objective evidence or quotes from selection committee. Nebraska ain’t getting in at 11-7.

Also keep in mind my breakdown by KenPom opponent is overly kind to their chances. RPI opponent ranks are way worse.

 

[bac2therac]

as I said it is pointless talking how teams are not going to make it while we are still in January and they are 16-8/7-4...keep thinking if they go 23-8/14-4 they are not getting too, when you just made a statement like that I know you dont what you are talking about

 

[blockm2]

as I said it is pointless talking how teams are not going to make it while we are still in January and they are 16-8/7-4...keep thinking if they go 23-8/14-4 they are not getting too, when you just made a statement like that I know you dont what you are talking about

I said 11-7 isn’t getting in. I posted link to T rank for you that would show them on wrong side of bubble at 14-4. I didn’t personally predict that outcome.

 

[bac2therac]

that just shows me that his analysis is totally flawed to Nebby could go 14-4 in the Big 10 which might get them as high as third and not get in.

 

[bac2therac]

that being said they cannot afford a loss to a sub 500 bad Wisconsin team...right now down 10..if that holds yes their battle becomes a long shot possibly reliant on beating a Purdue or MSU in the Big 10 tourney

 

[Ray1125]

Nebraska is better than Michigan and just beat the crap out of them by 20 points last week. Wasn't even a close game and Nebraska looked more athletic. On top of that, Nebraska has clearly improved a lot since the beginning of the year, prob more than Michigan has.

Overall resume, Michigan. Better team right now, Nebraska.

1. Purdue
2. Ohio St
3. Michigan St
4. Nebraska
5. Michigan
6. Indiana
7. Penn State
8. Maryland
9. Northwestern
10. Minnesota
11. Rutgers
12. Wisconsin
13. Iowa
14. Illinois (although they've had some abnormally bad luck)

That's how I see it at this time.

 

[Russ Wood]

Is Maryland a ncaa team this year. Do they get in.

Thinking only 5 big teams get in this year.

I hate to say it but, barring something shocking like going undefeated the rest of the regular season, I do not think Maryland will make the tournament this year.

 

[TDIrish27]

I agree with that Russ----injuries have really set them back.

Penn St has a better chance than them IMO.

 

[TDIrish27]

Russ don't want to bore the Board but what can you tell me about the Durham kid sitting out this year at ND after a year at UConn ?

People I know tell me he's made some good strides physically and he's very athletic.

 

[MADHAT1]

Russ don't want to bore the Board but what can you tell me about the Durham kid sitting out this year at ND after a year at UConn ?

People I know tell me he's made some good strides physically and he's very athletic.

Maybe info better asked on the Notre Dame or UConn boards. Asking about a kid from Florida that committed to UConn and now transferring to Notre Dame on a Rutgers board is:

( in my opinion) to most RU fans and hijacking what this thread is about.
Neither UConn or Notre Dame are members of the B1G so I can't see why you want to talk about a player with no B1G ties in a thread talking about B1G schools.

but in the spirit this thread started out : how the heck did the Badgers get so bad after being one of the top rated B1G MBB programs

 

[Russ Wood]

Russ don't want to bore the Board but what can you tell me about the Durham kid sitting out this year at ND after a year at UConn ?

People I know tell me he's made some good strides physically and he's very athletic.

So we don't hijack this thread I sent you a private message with my thoughts on Durham.

 

[bac2therac]

I hate to say it but, barring something shocking like going undefeated the rest of the regular season, I do not think Maryland will make the tournament this year.

they will have a shot but they need to win a game against the top 4 and finish strong...we shall see, they have had alot of close losses..the MSU game was a missed opportunity that would have been a feather in their cap win

 

[Russ Wood]

@MADHAT1 Wisconsin has had some injuries to some guys that contribute and they recruited some guys that really were just NGE.

Guys like Alex Illikainen and Charles Thomas.

I'll be the first to admit that I thought that
Illikainen was a decent pick up. He looks every bit the part of a Wisconsin big that they would Redshirt and developed him and each year after that he would get better and better. Not that he would ever be a star but that by his senior year he'd be first or second man off the bench and playing starter minutes.

When they offered Thomas, and he committed, all I could do was laugh. Thomas should have gone someplace like Towson or George Mason.

 

[Russ Wood]

they will have a shot but they need to win a game against the top 4 and finish strong...we shall see, they have had alot of close losses..the MSU game was a missed opportunity that would have been a feather in their cap win

So was Michigan and Indiana, missed opportunities that would have been a feather in their cap.

Their margin for error is razor-thin, they need resume building wins or a deep run in the B1G tournament.

The Maryland Message Board is on fire, fans are turning on the coach.

 

[MADHAT1]

@MADHAT1 Wisconsin has had some injuries to some guys that contribute and they recruited some guys that really were just NGE.

Guys like Alex Illikainen and Charles Thomas.

I'll be the first to admit that I thought that
Illikainen was a decent pick up. He looks every bit the part of a Wisconsin big that they would Redshirt and developed him and each year after that he would get better and better. Not that he would ever be a star but that by his senior year he'd be first or second man off the bench and playing starter minutes.

When they offered Thomas, and he committed, all I could do was laugh. Thomas should have gone someplace like Towson or George Mason.

Thanks Russ, when Bo left I felt they wouldn't skip a beat with Gard replacing him.
But might be replacing a HC like Ryan is something
he might not be up to recruiting wise and just a tad short of Bo's coaching ability.
Gard had a good year last season, that's why this one puzzled me.
So thanks for the explanation. [cheers]

 

[blockm2]

that just shows me that his analysis is totally flawed to Nebby could go 14-4 in the Big 10 which might get them as high as third and not get in.

he has been amongst the very best in bracket matrix at predicting the tourney, so objectively his algorithm is far more likely to be correct than you are

 

[bac2therac]

predicting when? from now? Do they take his predictions from now and score them 2 months later..just asking here. I got them all right last year too. Its pointless almost 7 weeks away

 

[bac2therac]

Also Rutgers is bringing the rpi of the other schools down alot...plus overall the Big 10 didnt schedule tough enough as a league..have to do better than that