National Duals Qualifications announced

[ScarletGrapfan]

Here are how they are picking the teams. Of course some will decline the invite, but there are a lot of teams that will have to decline before RU gets a crack.


OKLAHOMA CITY (April 2, 2025) – The National Duals Invitational, a groundbreaking $1 million collegiate wrestling event sponsored byPaycom, has announced the qualification process for the inaugural 16-team bracket. Featuring top programs from across the country, this high-stakes tournament will bring together elite competition and unprecedented prize money to the BOK Center in Tulsa this fall.
Automatic entry will be awarded to the top 12 teams in the final 2025 NCAA Division I standings: Penn State, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Iowa, Minnesota, Ohio State, Cornell, NC State, Northern Iowa, Illinois, Virginia Tech and Michigan. To secure their spots, these 12 teams must complete their participation agreements by April 15. Final teams will be listed on the website as they are confirmed.
“While we know this is not an accurate representation of dual team rankings, we believe it will ensure that the event features some of the best competition in the country,” said Matt Surber, Tournament Director. “I’m excited to see additional participation as we grow the sport of wrestling.”
The remaining spots will be filled through a random drawing on April 24 from teams that finished 13-24 in the NCAA standings. The teams competing for these final spots are Purdue, Missouri, Lehigh, Pennsylvania, Little Rock, Arizona State, Stanford, West Virginia, Navy, Wyoming, South Dakota State, Indiana, Maryland and Oregon State.
The premier 16-team event will feature a total purse of more than $1 million. The top eight teams will earn payouts, with the winning squad walking away with $200,000. The second- and third-place teams will earn $150,000, while fourth place earns $75,000. Fifth through eighth place payouts will be: $50,000, $40,000, $25,000, and $20,000, respectively. All participating teams will receive $20,000 for attending.
Thirty-four-time NCAA champion Oklahoma State will serve as the host school.
This event will be held at BOK Center in Tulsa, Okla., on Nov. 15-16. Learn more at nationaldualsinvitational.com.

 

[LETSGORU91]

National duals. Last I checked, Rutgers was 11th, right? Yet a team we beat this year (Illinois) is an auto invite. And three teams we beat this year (UPenn, MD, Indiana) are vying for remaining spots?? WTF?? They took national tournament standings and applied them to dual meet competition. Talk about an RU Screw!

 

[west2east]

The article says top 12 from NCAA are in and the rest will be randomly drawn from 13-24

 

[KidDagger]

The article says top 12 from NCAA are in and the rest will be randomly drawn from 13-24

So our 11th dual meet ranking means nothing here in a dual meet tournament?? Wow lol I thought our dual meet first mindset would pay off here( we are traditionally a better dual meet team).. that’s kinda bs…

So what does being ranked 36th get….? We got no chance to compete finally in our format wow.. lol

 

[LETSGORU91]

Asinine way of selecting teams. What's next? NCAA deciding that team, dual meet rankings will determine individual seeding at nationals?

 

[MS-RU]

And why does last year's results matter for next years tournament? Many of the rosters are completely different, especially now due to the transfer portal.

 

[ScarletGrapfan]

And why does last year's results matter for next years tournament? Many of the rosters are completely different, especially now due to the transfer portal.

Agree, very strange way to pick the teams. However, currently our teams projected lineup is nowhere near a top 16 team.

 

[biochemist01]

I've already seen/heard that PSU and Iowa will not be participating.

 

[MS-RU]

Agree, very strange way to pick the teams. However, currently our teams projected lineup is nowhere near a top 16 team.

100% agree.. wasn't event talking about RU specifically but just in general. For example Little Rock will be a terrible dual team next year especially after losing Williams and Bailey

 

[west2east]

Being that it's the 1st year of it and it's early in November they decided to use NCAAs as the starting point. Not sure how they will select in the future

 

[mikemessner]

Agree, very strange way to pick the teams. However, currently our teams projected lineup is nowhere near a top 16 team.

Damn. No Iowa State. Purdue had the worse dual team but had a good individual NCAA tournament.

 

[mikemessner]

Through Games FEB. 23, 2025

RANK	TEAM (FIRST)	RECORD	POINTS	PREVIOUS
RANK	TEAM (FIRST)	RECORD	POINTS	PREVIOUS
1	Penn State (16)	(15-0)	400	1
2	Iowa	(14-1)	383	3
3	Oklahoma State	(13-1)	367	2
4	Northern Iowa	(14-1)	354	4
5	Nebraska	(11-3)	333	5
6	Minnesota	(10-2)	320	6
7	Ohio State	(13-3)	300	8
8	Virginia Tech	(9-2)	279	10
9	NC State	(11-2)	268	7
10	Cornell	(11-1)	252	9
11	Rutgers	(14-5)	233	11
12	Iowa State	(12-5)	232	12
13	South Dakota State	(14-4)	217	13
14	Illinois	(9-4)	196	14
15	Little Rock	(17-3)	181	15
16	North Carolina	(9-6)	147	16
17	Pittsburgh	(10-6)	145	18
18	Stanford	(10-5)	135	17
19	Michigan	(7-5)	114	19
20	Oklahoma	(8-4)	94	20
21	Lehigh	(7-4)	79	21
22	Indiana	(8-5)	57	22
23	Army West Point	(8-3)	47	23
24	West Virginia	(10-7)	23	24
25	Missouri	(5-10)	16	25

 

[RUAldo]

Love the idea but it will likely crash and burn if they can’t secure the top teams like PSU and Iowa.

 

[ScottRU93]

When you finish 36th at NCAA tournament you don’t deserve to be included.

 

[koleszar]

This is hilarious. Goodale puts together strong dual teams and weak NCAA Championship teams. As he places a high emphasis on dual meets. The criteria to make a dual tournament strictly comes from NCAA Championship placing where we finished an abysmal 36th. We're never going to make this thing.

 

[RUSpider]

This is hilarious. Goodale puts together strong dual teams and weak NCAA Championship teams. As he places a high emphasis on dual meets. The criteria to make a dual tournament strictly comes from NCAA Championship placing where we finished an abysmal 36th. We're never going to make this thing.

Correct. No chance until Goodale shakes the High School mentality and puts together a team that can succeed in the post-season tournaments B10 and NCAAs. I do agree that duals are exciting and understand that Goodale did a good job of using duals success to build the program.

 

[RUSpider]

Through Games FEB. 23, 2025

RANK	TEAM (FIRST)	RECORD	POINTS	PREVIOUS
RANK	TEAM (FIRST)	RECORD	POINTS	PREVIOUS
1	Penn State (16)	(15-0)	400	1
2	Iowa	(14-1)	383	3
3	Oklahoma State	(13-1)	367	2
4	Northern Iowa	(14-1)	354	4
5	Nebraska	(11-3)	333	5
6	Minnesota	(10-2)	320	6
7	Ohio State	(13-3)	300	8
8	Virginia Tech	(9-2)	279	10
9	NC State	(11-2)	268	7
10	Cornell	(11-1)	252	9
11	Rutgers	(14-5)	233	11
12	Iowa State	(12-5)	232	12
13	South Dakota State	(14-4)	217	13
14	Illinois	(9-4)	196	14
15	Little Rock	(17-3)	181	15
16	North Carolina	(9-6)	147	16
17	Pittsburgh	(10-6)	145	18
18	Stanford	(10-5)	135	17
19	Michigan	(7-5)	114	19
20	Oklahoma	(8-4)	94	20
21	Lehigh	(7-4)	79	21
22	Indiana	(8-5)	57	22
23	Army West Point	(8-3)	47	23
24	West Virginia	(10-7)	23	24
25	Missouri	(5-10)	16	25

This is a poll. In reality it means nothing. A more accurate measurement of success is Rutgers duals record in the B10

 

[biochemist01]

Below I've listed final Coaches's Poll results versus placement at NCAAs and the delta between the two results.

School	Coaches's Poll	NCAA Finish	Delta
Penn State	1	1	0
Iowa	2	4	-2
Oklahoma State	3	3	0
Northern Iowa	4	9	-5
Nebraska	5	2	3
Minnesota	6	T5	1
Ohio State	7	T5	2
Virginia Tech	8	11	-3
NC State	9	8	1
Cornell	10	7	3
Rutgers	11	36	-25
Iowa State	12	T27	-15
SDSU	13	23	-10
Illinois	14	10	4
UALR	15	17	-2
UNC	16	32	-16
Pittsburgh	17	T27	-10
Stanford	18	T18	0
Michigan	19	12	7
Oklahoma	20	38	-18
Lehigh	21	15	6
Indiana	22	T24	-2
Army	23	47	-24
West Virginia	24	T18	6
Missouri	25	14	9
Pennsylvania	26	16	10
Wyoming	27	22	5
Campbell	28	57	-29
Navy	29	21	8
Oregon State	30	T24	6
Northern Colorado	31	T29	2
Purdue	NR	13
Arizona State	NR	T18
Maryland	NR	T24
Cal Poly	NR	T29
Wisconsin	NR	31
Northwestern	NR	33
CSUB	NR	34
Utah Valley	NR	35
NDSU	NR	37
Rider	NR	39
Bucknell	NR	T40
Lock Haven	NR	T40

 

[ScottRU93]

Below I've listed final Coaches's Poll results versus placement at NCAAs and the delta between the two results.

School	Coaches's Poll	NCAA Finish	Delta
Penn State	1	1	0
Iowa	2	4	-2
Oklahoma State	3	3	0
Northern Iowa	4	9	-5
Nebraska	5	2	3
Minnesota	6	T5	1
Ohio State	7	T5	2
Virginia Tech	8	11	-3
NC State	9	8	1
Cornell	10	7	3
Rutgers	11	36	-25
Iowa State	12	T27	-15
SDSU	13	23	-10
Illinois	14	10	4
UALR	15	17	-2
UNC	16	32	-16
Pittsburgh	17	T27	-10
Stanford	18	T18	0
Michigan	19	12	7
Oklahoma	20	38	-18
Lehigh	21	15	6
Indiana	22	T24	-2
Army	23	47	-24
West Virginia	24	T18	6
Missouri	25	14	9
Pennsylvania	26	16	10
Wyoming	27	22	5
Campbell	28	57	-29
Navy	29	21	8
Oregon State	30	T24	6
Northern Colorado	31	T29	2
Purdue	NR	13
Arizona State	NR	T18
Maryland	NR	T24
Cal Poly	NR	T29
Wisconsin	NR	31
Northwestern	NR	33
CSUB	NR	34
Utah Valley	NR	35
NDSU	NR	37
Rider	NR	39
Bucknell	NR	T40
Lock Haven	NR	T40

Pretty telling. Thanks for doing this. Largest delta of any P5 level school by 9 pts.

I want us to be as competitive as anyone on here but current formula is not working.

The gigglers can gig and keep enjoying 25+ place finishes.

 

[SCNJ]

Why are we using tournament scoring to seed a dual tournament? Some outlets have separate tournament and dual rankings for a reason.

 

[KidDagger]

Why are we using tournament scoring to seed a dual tournament? Some outlets have separate tournament and dual rankings for a reason.

That’s the irony of it all. As a program that emphasizes having a strong dual meet team over a strong NCAA scoring team and we can’t even qualify for the dual tournament is just lol.

 

[mikemessner]

That’s the irony of it all. As a program that emphasizes having a strong dual meet team over a strong NCAA scoring team and we can’t even qualify for the dual tournament is just lol.

I don't think we emphasize being a dual meet team over a NCAA scoring team. Goodale and some fans like the dual meet atmosphere. We aren't a good NCAA scoring team because we struggle at getting bonus points. Teams that place in the top ten get bonus points or have guys that advance on the front side of the bracket. Cornell finished second last year with three AA. We had two AA finished 20th. Bonus Points + Front Side Advancement= Top Ten Finish.

 

[SCNJ]

Being 11th in duals and 36th in tournament scoring is a bizarre anomaly too. We got really harsh draws, particularly Yara. If Yara ends up at like 22 instead of 16, or 12 where he probably belonged prior to the injury, we’re a few spots higher. Still not 11th, but still.

 

[michhoops]

There is no doubt that Goodale wants both a good dual and a good tournament team; he's not going to emphasis duals and not care about NCAA finishes. No All-Americans is what leads to 36th. If you pencil in Peterson, Shawver and Yara at 8th place each, then you're probably inside the top 15. Bonus points are important but placement points even more so.

 

[KidDagger]

I don't think we emphasize being a dual meet team over a NCAA scoring team. Goodale and some fans like the dual meet atmosphere. We aren't a good NCAA scoring team because we struggle at getting bonus points. Teams that place in the top ten get bonus points or have guys that advance on the front side of the bracket. Cornell finished second last year with three AA. We had two AA finished 20th. Bonus Points + Front Side Advancement= Top Ten Finish.

Good points, I think we need to do a better job at identifying the recruits that are capable of advancing and able to get bonus points..

I realize we only got limited resources to get the elite guys but I remember when we were actively trying to get ~4 similar national qualifier lvl guys around 2 weight classes and it didn’t look like the best use of resources to score points imo. And ppl kept saying “iron sharpens iron” and that it was so great to be a few National qualifier lvl guys deep at some weights… this is usually only good if their timelines don’t overlap.

If we are trying to move the needle at nationals a better strat could be to have studs and a few holes in the lineups rather then a more balance lineup but no real sure fire AA threat.

 

[Skull83]

National duals. Last I checked, Rutgers was 11th, right? Yet a team we beat this year (Illinois) is an auto invite. And three teams we beat this year (UPenn, MD, Indiana) are vying for remaining spots?? WTF?? They took national tournament standings and applied them to dual meet competition. Talk about an RU Screw!

I have to explain this every once in awhile LETSGORU91, the RU Screw is when the Rutgers administration/bureaucracy screws it's own students, staff, community etc. In other words, Rutgers screwing itself.

When Rutgers is the screwee rather than the screwor, it's not the RU Screw. We still get screwed, but it's somebody else doing it to us.

 

[RUSpider]

Why are we using tournament scoring to seed a dual tournament? Some outlets have separate tournament and dual rankings for a reason.

Polls (rankings) are only opinions. Rutgers won/loss record in the conference is a better indicator of performance.

 

[SCNJ]

Polls (rankings) are only opinions. Rutgers won/loss record in the conference is a better indicator of performance.

Comical. So if Rutgers goes through the gauntlet and loses to Penn State, Iowa, Ohio State, Minnesota, Nebraska, and then beats whoever else, their 3-5 record in conference suggests they’re a lesser team than say a Northwestern team who might not face any of the big dogs in conference and goes 5-3 in dual season?

There’s too many teams in conferences to look solely at win loss record, and the drop off from Big 10 to everyone else will make any mid level Big 10 team look way worse than they really are.

 

[RUSpider]

Comical. So if Rutgers goes through the gauntlet and loses to Penn State, Iowa, Ohio State, Minnesota, Nebraska, and then beats whoever else, their 3-5 record in conference suggests they’re a lesser team than say a Northwestern team who might not face any of the big dogs in conference and goes 5-3 in dual season?

There’s too many teams in conferences to look solely at win loss record, and the drop off from Big 10 to everyone else will make any mid level Big 10 team look way worse than they really are.

Rutgers out of conference schedule is softer than a baby's behind. Let's take a look.

Patsies: Duke, Franklin Marshal, LIU, Gardner Webb, Clarion, and Kent State (none of these programs close to fully funded)

Anticipated Ivy patsy that gave Rutgers a tough match: Penn

Local Ivy rival suffering through down year: Princeton

Formidable opponents that dominated Rutgers: NC State and Virginia Tech.

Keep simping and making excuses. SEC football schedules tougher out of conference opponents. The only accurate means to measure Rutgers dual success is through its B10 record.

 

[SCNJ]

Rutgers out of conference schedule is softer than a baby's behind. Let's take a look.

Patsies: Duke, Franklin Marshal, LIU, Gardner Webb, Clarion, and Kent State (none of these programs close to fully funded)

Anticipated Ivy patsy that gave Rutgers a tough match: Penn

Local Ivy rival suffering through down year: Princeton

Formidable opponents that dominated Rutgers: NC State and Virginia Tech.

Keep simping and making excuses. SEC football schedules tougher out of conference opponents. The only accurate means to measure Rutgers dual success is through its B10 record.

You lose all your credibility when you call Penn an anticipated Ivy patsy.

Also the “gave them trouble” line is good. Yeah a handful of notorious drama queens here overreacted because we lost the first two toss up bouts. We lost literally one bout the entire dual where we were favored and negated it by upsetting a wrestler later on. The match score was pretty much as predicted.

You’re also completely missing the point. Dual record itself is not a good indicator because year to year each teams big 10 schedule is vastly different. Going 3-5 in a conference isn’t necessarily worse than going 6-2 depending on who the opponents are. There should be more criteria than just record, and doing it by individual tournament points makes no sense.

 

[RUSpider]

You lose all your credibility when you call Penn an anticipated Ivy patsy.

Also the “gave them trouble” line is good. Yeah a handful of notorious drama queens here overreacted because we lost the first two toss up bouts. We lost literally one bout the entire dual where we were favored and negated it by upsetting a wrestler later on. The match score was pretty much as predicted.

You’re also completely missing the point. Dual record itself is not a good indicator because year to year each teams big 10 schedule is vastly different. Going 3-5 in a conference isn’t necessarily worse than going 6-2 depending on who the opponents are. There should be more criteria than just record, and doing it by individual tournament points makes no sense.

The fact remains Rutgers was predicted to handily beat Penn and failed to do so. At the college level the opinion polls that you rely upon to measure Rutgers success mean nothing. As you know the B10 schedules year to year are fairly balanced. Keep on simping instead of holding the coaching staff accountable for their failures.

 

[ScottRU93]

The fact remains Rutgers was predicted to handily beat Penn and failed to do so. At the college level the opinion polls that you rely upon to measure Rutgers success mean nothing. As you know the B10 schedules year to year are fairly balanced. Keep on simping instead of holding the coaching staff accountable for their failures.

Some people are just ok with the status quo. Its ashame but to each their own.

 

[SCNJ]

The fact remains Rutgers was predicted to handily beat Penn and failed to do so. At the college level the opinion polls that you rely upon to measure Rutgers success mean nothing. As you know the B10 schedules year to year are fairly balanced. Keep on simping instead of holding the coaching staff accountable for their failures.

Weird because everyone whose opinion I respect here was expecting a tight dual with Rutgers to pull it out by a handful of points and while the points come from different places than expected, the final score was pretty much as expected. Anyone who expected a blowout was delusional or setting themselves up to be disappointed as usual.

 

[LETSGORU91]

I have to explain this every once in awhile LETSGORU91, the RU Screw is when the Rutgers administration/bureaucracy screws it's own students, staff, community etc. In other words, Rutgers screwing itself.

When Rutgers is the screwee rather than the screwor, it's not the RU Screw. We still get screwed, but it's somebody else doing it to us.

Salient point, and well taken. Although I view this situation as a transitive property. Rutgers doing something to us = RU Screw = someone else doing something to us. A=B, B=C. Therefore A=C.

 

[RUSpider]

Weird because everyone whose opinion I respect here was expecting a tight dual with Rutgers to pull it out by a handful of points and while the points come from different places than expected, the final score was pretty much as expected. Anyone who expected a blowout was delusional or setting themselves up to be disappointed as usual.

Clever debate tactic. Ignore the main point (Rutgers team failure this year) and focus on one minor point (the Penn Dual). I never used the word "blowout" that is your verbiage. You have a way of not accurately citing anyone you debate. A telltale sign of the weakness of your arguments. Keep simping for the coaching staff.

 

[SCNJ]

Clever debate tactic. Ignore the main point (Rutgers team failure this year) and focus on one minor point (the Penn Dual). I never used the word "blowout" that is your verbiage. You have a way of not accurately citing anyone you debate. A telltale sign of the weakness of your arguments. Keep simping for the coaching staff.

Bro you’re the one who brought up the Penn dual, not me. You sound like a clown and you’ve brought nothing to this debate other than wah wah Rutgers is bad. You’re more than welcome to support another program.

I don’t simp for the coaching staff but I appreciate what they’ve done for the program. But you and a few others can keep hoping for Jordan Burroughs and play dumb when you’re told he doesn’t want to do it.

 

[RUSpider]

Bro you’re the one who brought up the Penn dual, not me. You sound like a clown and you’ve brought nothing to this debate other than wah wah Rutgers is bad. You’re more than welcome to support another program.

I don’t simp for the coaching staff but I appreciate what they’ve done for the program. But you and a few others can keep hoping for Jordan Burroughs and play dumb when you’re told he doesn’t want to do it.

First off I am not your "Bro". Penn dual was only one of multiple examples regarding the weakness of Rutgers schedule. Yet that is what you focused on. Keep simping for the staff. Keep thinking you are protecting your relative/friend on the staff by repeating JB is currently not interested in the head coaching position. When is the last time you spoke with JB? You might find out something different.

BTW I love Rutgers and New Jersey wrestling. However, Rutgers and its fans deserves better than a 36th place finish.

 

[SCNJ]

Anyone else get the feeling that RUSpider is a Crackers alter ego

 

[RUSpider]

Anyone else get the feeling that RUSpider is a Crackers alter ego

You truly are laughable. Disagree with the Simp and he/she calls you Crackers. Weak tactic to attempt to have the Board join in with you.

 

[ScottRU93]

No he writes way too well!!

Anyone else get the feeling that RUSpider is a Crackers alter ego