Nebby Covid

[MADHAT1]

It's been refuted check CE. Remember how honest the NYTp "examined" the #rusher hoax lmao.

no matter what you believe about the Times, Trump withheld important information about Covid 19 from the beginning of outbreak that his advisers told him about the virus being a major threat and that shouldn't be considered right or ignored like many here seem to be doing .

Knock anyone and everything you want, but when the President of the United States lies to the people of the USA about a health issue and poo poos it's destructiveness which winds up killing close to a million Americans, that deserves condemnation

 

[RUfubar]

Fair answer. I've never denied that the "lab leak of the original coronavirus" theory was possible, wherein through sloppiness some researcher working with the actual SARS-CoV-2 virus (assuming they had it at Wuhan, which there is zero proof of) got infected and became patient zero. However, it would've been an incredible breach of security to not have documented work with such a virus, which is why I simply don't think it was going on (they wouldn't have had reasons to hide the work, since they didn't hide the work on the other bat CVs they had been working on).

However, I've always had a huge issue with people thinking GoF research could have actually produced SARS-CoV2 from some precursor virus or that somehow de novo chimeric approaches could have produced a CV2. I do think GoF research is an area of concern and should be very carefully controlled, but even if the Wuhan Lab had been conducting GoF research on the coronaviruses they had (which there's no evidence of), the likelihood of stumbling upon CV2 is infinitesimal, as per the excerpt from the Science paper below, which quotes the Cell paper that contains the details. And using chimeric appoaches to attempt to build CV2 from scratch given the nearly infinite number of nucleotide combinations for an RNA virus would be absurd. None of this means I'm completely comfortable with GoF research efforts - just that it's extremely unlikely to have produced CV2.

Still, many scientists contend that SARS-CoV-2 can’t be a lab concoction because no known virus is close enough to have served as its starting material. Some have countered that RaTG13, the virus found in the Mojiang mine, could have been that backbone. That makes no sense, asserts a “critical review” by Garry, Worobey, and 19 other scientists that Cell published online on 19 August. More than 1100 nucleotides, the building blocks of RNA, separate the genomes of the two viruses, and the differences are scattered in a way that doesn’t suggest deliberate engineering.

“Nobody has the sort of insight into viral pathogenesis to design something as really devious as SARS-CoV-2,” Garry says. Three other bat viruses more similar to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13 in some key genomic regions are also unlikely to have been used as a template for the pandemic virus, according to the paper.

Having said all that, it pisses me off to no end how obfuscating and unhelpful the Chinese government has been throughout this pandemic (as opposed to Chinese scientists, who did share a ton of helpful CV2 info, especially in the early days) and I really want to know the origin to help reduce the risk of the next pandemic. Presumably it's a wet market like previous CVs, but it would be nice to know a lot more about the early days in China, and I think these wet markets need to be outlawed. Or if it was someone infected from one of the outlying provinces near the bats, that would be good to know - and countries like China need to have a better fever/sickness monitoring system in place to detect these things earlier. I doubt something as transmissible as the original strain of CV2 could've been contained once it hit a city like Wuhan, but if there had been some small outbreak in rural Yunnan, for example, maybe it could be contained.

I smell a lab leak. I do not believe that's the debate. The debate really is specifically over what constitutes gain of function studies. At what potential benefit and at what potential cost.

Also from Bob [Garry]: Before I left the office for the ball, I aligned nCoV with the 96% bat CoV sequenced at WIV. Except for the RBD the S proteins are essentially identical at the amino acid level – well all but the perfect insertion of 12 nucleotides that adds the furin site. S2 is over its whole length essentially identical. I really can’t think of a plausible natural scenario where you get from the bat virus or one very similar to it to nCoV where you insert exactly 4 amino acids 12 nucleotide that all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function – that and you don’t change any other amino acid in S2? I just can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature. Do the alignment of the spikes at the amino acid level – its stunning. Of course, in the lab it would be easy to generate the perfect 12 base insert that you wanted. Another scenario is that the progenitor of nCoV was a bat virus with the perfect furin cleavage site generated over evolutionary times. In this scenario RaTG13 the WIV virus was generated by a perfect deletion of 12 nucleotides while essentially not changing any other S2 amino acid. Even more implausible IMO. That is the big if. You were doing gain of function research you would NOT use an existing close of SARS or MERSv. These viruses are already human pathogens. What you would do is close a bat virus th[at] had not yet emerged. Maybe then pass it in human cells for a while to lock in the RBS, then you reclone and put in the mutations you are interested – one of the first a polybasic cleavage site.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

no matter what you believe about the Times, Trump withheld important information about Covid 19 from the beginning of outbreak that his advisers told him about the virus being a major threat and that shouldn't be considered right or ignored like many here seem to be doing .

Knock anyone and everything you want, but when the President of the United States lies to the people of the USA about a health issue and poo poos it's destructiveness which winds up killing close to a million Americans, that deserves condemnation

Sorry this isn't accurate.

 

[MADHAT1]

Sorry this isn't accurate.

denying the truth, doesn't make it go away.
“The fact is I’m a cheerleader for this country, I love our country, and I don’t want people to be frightened. I don’t want to create panic, as you say,” President Trump says when asked if he downplayed the danger of COVID-19 to reduce panic.


All Trump did there was try to make an excuse for lying to the public when the truth might have saved some lives and made health officials job fighting to protect American a little easier.
Too bad political agendas deny the truth in an effort to ignore the lies Trump told the American public about the virus.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

denying the truth, doesn't make it go away.
“The fact is I’m a cheerleader for this country, I love our country, and I don’t want people to be frightened. I don’t want to create panic, as you say,” President Trump says when asked if he downplayed the danger of COVID-19 to reduce panic.

View embedded media

So? We didn't need to panic. We needed to protect the most vulnerable and not shut down the economy for the next-to-zero-risk working age cohorts. What would you have wanted? China-style lockdowns where they seal-up people in their houses from the outside?

It's clear you haven't done enough homework on this subject and are being lazy reading off MSM headlines and false narratives. Again, spend a few bucks for a monthly premium trial and read the CE.

 

[Knight Shift]

Interesting thread by a PhD mathematical biologist from Princeton




And a reply showing the inconsistency in messaging from the government.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

denying the truth, doesn't make it go away.
“The fact is I’m a cheerleader for this country, I love our country, and I don’t want people to be frightened. I don’t want to create panic, as you say,” President Trump says when asked if he downplayed the danger of COVID-19 to reduce panic.

View embedded media

All Trump did there was try to make an excuse for lying to the public when the truth might have saved some lives and made health officials job fighting to protect American a little easier.
Too bad political agendas deny the truth in an effort to ignore the lies Trump told the American public about the virus.

Your edit makes no difference. What exactly did Trump do that made any health officials' jobs more difficult? We know the NYC Health Clown and DeBozo more than "downplayed" the threat. Those fools urged mass crowds and activities well into Feb 2020 after Trump shutdown Chiner travel. Like Pelosi. Again you're just being lazy.

Flashback: NYC ‘Health Commissioner’ Urged New Yorkers to Gather in Public Places

‘There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday’

news.grabien.com

Pelosi encouraged public gatherings in late February, weeks after Trump’s China travel ban - Washington Examiner

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was out in San Francisco's Chinatown in late February encouraging people to go out in public and spend money at local businesses despite concerns regarding the spread of the coronavirus. “It’s exciting to be here, especially at this time, to be able to be unified with...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[MADHAT1]

So? We didn't need to panic. We needed to protect the most vulnerable and not shut down the economy for the next-to-zero-risk working age cohorts. What would you have wanted? China-style lockdowns where they seal-up people in their houses from the outside?

It's clear you haven't done enough homework on this subject and are being lazy reading off MSM headlines and false narratives. Again, spend a few bucks for a monthly premium trial and read the CE.

LOL, Like I said earlier, if you can't refute the truth : shoot the messenger that brings it and hope others will ignore the truth that messenger brought forth.

What happened was because of Trump people refused to follow the best health advice and the virus protection became more of a political issue than a health subject and to this day conspiracy theories are being considered truth while the evidence science finds and health officials base their advice on are treated as lies.
Trump's lies about the virus divided our nation and made defending America from being ravaged a lot harder for Health Officials because of Trump's lies leading to people foolishly believing conspiracy theories being spread about the virus and refusing to accept the scientific based facts that were being put right in front of their eyes .

All you and some others can do is ignore in an effort to deny the truth , not refute the facts put in front of you

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

LOL, Like I said earlier, if you can't refute the truth : shoot the messenger that brings it and hope others will ignore the truth that messenger brought forth.

What happened was because of Trump people refused to follow the best health advice and the virus protection became more of a political issue than a health subject and to this day conspiracy theories are being considered truth while the evidence science finds and health officials base their advice on are treated as lies.
Trump's lies about the virus divided our nation and made defending America from being ravaged
a lot harder for Health Officials because of Trump's lies leading to people foolishly believing conspiracy theories being spread about the virus and refusing to accept the scientific based facts that were being put right in front of their eyes .

All you and some others cab do is ignore the truth , not refute the facts put in front of you

Again your MSM stories have been refuted.

What exactly did Trump do that made people "refuse the best health advice and protection"? You can't back-up your claims with anything other than pointing to what the NYT, CNN and the like have told you in the first place. Waste of time.

 

[MADHAT1]

Again your MSM stories have been refuted.

What exactly did Trump do that made people "refuse the best health advice and protection"? You can't back-up your claims with anything other than pointing to what the NYT, CNN and the like have told you in the first place. Waste of time.

With this ( proving you’re wrong again) I post my last response to you knowing the truth tends to elude you when you see it, no matter how many times it’s presented to you .

This is for others benefit, you I know will refuse to admit the truth

(from article, link below)
>Trump’s actions — and those of his staff and supporters — should come as no surprise. Over the past eight months, the president of the United States has lied about the dangers posed by the coronavirus and undermined efforts to contain it; he even admitted in an interview to purposefully misrepresenting the viral threat early in the pandemic. Trump has belittled masks and social-distancing requirements while encouraging people to protest against lockdown rules aimed at stopping disease transmission. His administration has undermined, suppressed and censored government scientists working to study the virus and reduce its harm. And his appointees have made political tools out of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), ordering the agencies to put out inaccurate information, issue ill-advised health guidance, and tout unproven and potentially harmful treatments for COVID-19.

“This is not just ineptitude, it’s sabotage,” says Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University in New York City, who has modelled the evolution of the pandemic and how earlier interventions might have saved lives in the United States. “He has sabotaged efforts to keep people safe.”<

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02800-9

edit: don't miss clicking this link in article"
undermined efforts to contain it;

 

[fsg2]

Lol what? One of his best ever was explaining how Japan got it right with masks and then months later their infection rate spiked to insane levels

Cloth masks do absolutely nothing. This has been shown over and over and over again. JFC how stupid are some of you?

Do me a favor, go outside today with your cloth mask and tell me if you see your breathe go right through it on a nice cold day like today.

FFS

Better idea. I'll hire a hospital patient to cough and sneeze right in your face without any coverage, then with coverage. We'll see which you prefer.

The illness he or she has will be a wild card!

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

With this ( proving you’re wrong again) I post my last response to you knowing the truth tends to elude you when you see it, no matter how many times it’s presented to you .

This is for others benefit, you I know will refuse to admit the truth

(from article, link below)
>Trump’s actions — and those of his staff and supporters — should come as no surprise. Over the past eight months, the president of the United States has lied about the dangers posed by the coronavirus and undermined efforts to contain it; he even admitted in an interview to purposefully misrepresenting the viral threat early in the pandemic. Trump has belittled masks and social-distancing requirements while encouraging people to protest against lockdown rules aimed at stopping disease transmission. His administration has undermined, suppressed and censored government scientists working to study the virus and reduce its harm. And his appointees have made political tools out of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), ordering the agencies to put out inaccurate information, issue ill-advised health guidance, and tout unproven and potentially harmful treatments for COVID-19.

“This is not just ineptitude, it’s sabotage,” says Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University in New York City, who has modelled the evolution of the pandemic and how earlier interventions might have saved lives in the United States. “He has sabotaged efforts to keep people safe.”<

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02800-9

edit: don't miss clicking this link in article"
undermined efforts to contain it;

Tolefson is pretty far left, he even criticized shutting down the Chiner international travel LOL. A lot of generalizations and opinions without any facts. Typical.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Remember folks !!! Throughout January of 2020, President Trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus many of the advisors inside his government from top White House advisers to experts deep in the cabinet departments and intelligence agencies — identified Covid 19 as a great threat, sounded alarms and made clear the need for aggressive action.

• The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.
• Despite Trump’s denial weeks later, he was told in a Jan. 29 memo laying out in striking detail the potential risks of a coronavirus pandemic: as many as half a million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses.
• The health and human services secretary, Alex M. Azar II, directly warned Mr. Trump of the possibility of a pandemic during a call on Jan. 30, the second warning he delivered to the president about the virus in two weeks. The president, who was on Air Force One while traveling for appearances in the Midwest, responded that Mr. Azar was being alarmist.
• 
  
• By the third week in February, the administration’s top public health experts concluded they should recommend to Mr. Trump a new approach that would include warning the American people of the risks and urging steps like social distancing and staying home from work. But the White House focused instead on messaging and crucial additional weeks went by before their views were reluctantly accepted by the president — time when the virus spread largely unimpeded.

on Fauci changing what he said. When little was known about the virus he based his advice on what was known at the time and said people could go on doing what thewy normaly were doing , but also let it be known the virus could prove to be a major problem
In the early months, Fauci followed the practice of telling reporters how the situation stood at the moment — which, given relatively few cases, was generally encouraging — but warning that the situation could change.
On Jan. 20, Fauci told CNN, "It really is an evolving situation, and we have to be prepared for the worst. I mean, I don't think there is cause for panic on anyone's part but we certainly need to be following it and watching this very carefully."
The next day, the first country had its first confirmed case. On Fox Business’ "Lou Dobbs Tonight", Fauci said "I believe it can still be stopped, Lou, and it's completely impossible to predict what the scope is going to be, what the kinetic is going to be. … this is something that will likely spread more before we actually get it under control."
With just 15 cases reported as of Feb. 22, Fauci told CNN, "At this particular moment, Michael, the risk is very low. But, and I have to underline ‘but’, this could change and it could change rapidly. Getting back to what you said about a pandemic, if this evolves into a pandemic there's no way we in the United States are going to escape having more infections in this country."
On Feb. 29, with cases still numbering just 24, Fauci spoke in the morning on NBC’s "Today Show" and later that day at the White House Coronavirus Task Force briefing. On NBC, he said:
"Right now at this moment there's no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day by day basis. Right now the risk is still low, but this could change. I’ve said that many times even on this program. You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don't need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread."
And at the White House briefing:
"The country as a whole — because we get asked that all the time — still remains at low risk. But when we say that, we want to underscore that this is an evolving situation."

When knocking Fauci for the advice he gave when virus first started being noticed and had a low number of infections , some here are using part of his statements acting like Fauci gave bad advice, but ignoring the fact their was little knowledge of the virus at the time and the infection rate was low. Also leaving out when they knock the good Doctor how he also advised that the issue could change for the worse and it needed to be looked at closely in case it becomes more of a problem .
Those knocking Fauci ignore the fact as more info about the virus became available , his advice to the public was base on the latest scientific evidence at the time, but he also admitted the problem could get worse.
Those knocking Fauci refuse to knock Trump’s playing down the seriousness of the virus to the public, despite being warned it was a serious issue
Me thinks it more about political agendas and wanting to believe conspiracy theories for them and not really the virus

adding this for informational purposes
From The New York Times:
He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus
An examination reveals the president was warned about the potential for a pandemic but that internal divisions, lack of planning and his faith in his own instincts led to a halting response.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html?smid=em-share

Here's what really happened.

But first, you specified "all through January of 2020".. but it was January 31 2020 where Trump slapped the travel ban on China and was mocked for it as being xenophobic and over-reacting. Fauci supports such opinions and downplayed the risk himself.

So Trump then actually adjusts to the feedback and begins to downplay the risk.. taking the lead from all those inside and outside his administration who mocked him for wanting to shut down travel from coronavirus hit nations.

And then the story becomes how Trump downplayed the virus.

And still.. years later of Biden's own failures to handle Covid.. the story is that Trump downplayed it.

Trump always took his positions based on what he was told. The failure is on CDC, NIH, FEMA.. it is on all the "experts" because nowhere can we find a case of those DC swamp denizens infecting these "expert" organizations insisting that Trump do MORE than what he did. LESS.. yes, you can find that easily enough. Only after the virus did what viruses always do can you find media and politicians and "experts" claiming "I told you so".

Furthermore.. no country anywhere stopped the virus no matter how "woke" they were to the risks.

 

[bac2therac]

you can tell exactly who wants to continue to make this political and keep covid going and those who want to get back to normal lives

bringing up Trump now is laughable considering Covid is still going strong all over, we still have countries who have zero covid plan and see how that is working for them, these countries will be going through some things

big time mask mandates including N95s in Europe that are not stopping the spread

England and Ireland leading the way and the US is looking like idiots at this point with no leadership and then actively attacking any medical professional or politicians that dares to want to go back to normal

their retort will be WE MJST NOT OVERWHELM THE HOSPITALS...they have an answer for everything and thats why covid will linger

masks on children still...wow, what the **** are we doing

 

[fsg2]

you can tell exactly who wants to continue to make this political and keep covid going and those who want to get back to normal lives

bringing up Trump now is laughable considering Covid is still going strong all over, we still have countries who have zero covid plan and see how that is working for them, these countries will be going through some things

big time mask mandates including N95s in Europe that are not stopping the spread

England and Ireland leading the way and the US is looking like idiots at this point with no leadership and then actively attacking any medical professional or politicians that dares to want to go back to normal

their retort will be WE MJST NOT OVERWHELM THE HOSPITALS...they have an answer for everything and thats why covid will linger

masks on children still...wow, what the **** are we doing

No one wants it to last, jackass.

 

[bac2therac]

No one wants it to last, jackass.

those who favor blue want to continue mandates and ignore moving on with risk assessments, we have colleges ordering boosters not based on science and requiring students to mask and stay in their dorms and pull their mask up between bites WITH A VACCINE, WITH A VERY MILD VARIANT...tell me the end game here

imagine your college or high school experience going on the third year of this, lets wipe that from your memory and experiences...you think this isnt going to **** people up

and what are we doing it for...so we can make sure there is mail in balloting and not flood the hospitals...we know EXACTLY who are at risk here....elderly and those with several comorbidities....yet we are still acting like its March 2020

why do vaccinated care about unvaxxed, its their choice if they die, if you believe in your vaccine and booster.....

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

no matter what you believe about the Times, Trump withheld important information about Covid 19 from the beginning of outbreak that his advisers told him about the virus being a major threat and that shouldn't be considered right or ignored like many here seem to be doing .

Knock anyone and everything you want, but when the President of the United States lies to the people of the USA about a health issue and poo poos it's destructiveness which winds up killing close to a million Americans, that deserves condemnation

You have a variety of opinions on every topic. But the expert talking heads and media all criticized the China travel ban from Jan 31, 2020. So there you have a case of Trump doing the right thing.. and was promptly assured by the media and all the haters that he was wrong and a hateful racist. So Trump bends on that and then they hammer him for not doing enough.. for not listening to the experts saying it was going to be bad rather than the experts who said it was no big thing.

You guys cannot point to a single right decision by Biden on any of this so you are still hammering Trump. Fauci and those supporting him here have been all over the map, always claiming to be correct and that the "science" is always changing. It's like Numbers' weather forecasts... they always change and he is always "accurate". No wonder he follows Fauci so closely on this. The moment Fauci admitted that he lied about masks and came up with a reason that it was for the greater good... he should have been fired. There has to be a dozen experts available who won't lie to us for any reason.

 

[MADHAT1]

Here's what really happened.

Trump hears about the new Chinese virus.. like some of us, sees the reports of China shutting down cities, beating people who dare to walk in the streets and Trump then bans travel from China.

What happened next? The media and DNC minions lead the charge to call Trump an idiot who is over-reacting, being xenophobic. Fauci supports such opinions and downplayed the risk himself.

So Trump then actually adjusts to the feedback and begins to downplay the risk.. taking the lead from all those inside and outside his administration who mocked him for wanting to shut down travel from coronavirus hit nations.

And then the story becomes how Trump downplayed the virus.

And still.. years later of Biden's own failures to handle Covid.. the story is that Trump downplayed it.

Trump always took his positions based on what he was told. The failure is on CDC, NIH, FEMA.. it is on all the "experts" because nowhere can we find a case of those DC swamp denizens infecting these "expert" organizations insisting that Trump do MORE than what he did. LESS.. yes, you can find that easily enough. Only after the virus did what viruses always do can you find media and politicians and "experts" claiming "I told you so".

Trump was advised about the seriousness of the virus and ignored thast advice and lied to the public.
No excuses can be given for that and blaming his advisers is only trying to shift the duilt Trump bares alone.
He knew Covid could be deadly from the beginning and he downplayed it.
Then cast doubt on ways that were put forward in an effort to curb the spread.
Trying to excuse his lies don't work when the facts have proven otherwise.
Alternative facts are not accepted because the true facts prove he lied and he admited to lying from the beginning.
Don't blame Trump's advisers or anyone else for the lies Trump told, he was warned and refused to warn the public, only caused problems because he lied from the beginning and continued to do so., knowing he was lying.
But that's what liars do and there are too many on this board willing to excuse him by yrying to place the blame on others.

 

[bac2therac]

Fauci made comments in late Janauary that totally downplayed the virus effect here

Trump allowed Fauci and the CDC to set policy here...bottom line

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Trump was advised about the seriousness of the virus and ignored thast advice and lied to the public.
No excuses can be given for that and blaming his advisers is only trying to shift the duilt Trump bares alone.
He knew Covid could be deadly from the beginning and he downplayed it.
Then cast doubt on ways that were put forward in an effort to curb the spread.
Trying to excuse his lies don't work when the facts have proven otherwise.
Alternative facts are not accepted because the true facts prove he lied and he admited to lying from the beginning.
Don't blame Trump's advisers or anyone else for the lies Trump told, he was warned and refused to warn the public, only caused problems because he lied from the beginning and continued to do so., knowing he was lying.
But that's what liars do and there are too many on this board willing to excuse him by yrying to place the blame on others.

which advisers claimed it was "serious" and what did they propose he do about it?

which advisers disagreed with the above.

why did so many criticize Trump about the China ban if everyone knew it was so serious?

why did the Blue State governors fail so badly in protecting the most at-risk people in their states? they all have access to their own experts as well as all the experts that Trump used.

Constantly attacking Trump on Covid over a year since he is gone when his steps to create operation warp speed (something the "experts" said could not work.. could not produce a vaccine by the end of 2020.. good thing Trump did not listen to those "experts") resulted in the vaccines the new administration is still pushing seems a rather desperate effort to avoid talking about the Harris/Biden administration failures.

 

[bac2therac]

exactly, its comical they keep looking into the bob woodward book for their talking points

where was the rest of the world

they go out of their way to defend china

 

[fluoxetine]

Donald Trump was an inept and ineffective leader in virtually every way, but ultimately I think we end up in a very similar place on COVID with most any president.

 

[MADHAT1]

Fauci made comments in late Janauary that totally downplayed the virus effect here

Trump allowed Fauci and the CDC to set policy here...bottom line

in case you missed this in thread
On Jan. 20, Fauci told CNN, "It really is an evolving situation, and we have to be prepared for the worst. I mean, I don't think there is cause for panic on anyone's part but we certainly need to be following it and watching this very carefully."

The next day, the first country had its first confirmed case. On Fox Business’ "Lou Dobbs Tonight", Fauci said "I believe it can still be stopped, Lou, and it's completely impossible to predict what the scope is going to be, what the kinetic is going to be. … this is something that will likely spread more before we actually get it under control."

With just 15 cases reported as of Feb. 22, Fauci told CNN, "At this particular moment, Michael, the risk is very low. But, and I have to underline ‘but’, this could change and it could change rapidly. Getting back to what you said about a pandemic, if this evolves into a pandemic there's no way we in the United States are going to escape having more infections in this country."

On Feb. 29, with cases still numbering just 24, Fauci spoke in the morning on NBC’s "Today Show" and later that day at the White House Coronavirus Task Force briefing. On NBC, he said:
"Right now at this moment there's no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day by day basis. Right now the risk is still low, but this could change. I’ve said that many times even on this program. You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don't need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread."

And at the White House briefing:
"The country as a whole — because we get asked that all the time — still remains at low risk. But when we say that, we want to underscore that this is an evolving situation."

Just looking at part of what Fauci was saying makes for a whole different outlook than if you take into account of everything he sad.
When the virus first came Fauci advised normalcy, but also claimed the situation could change for the worst.
So what he advised was live like you normaly do , but be aware the situation could change at any moment and you might have to change your lifestyle to protect yourself.
An honest assesment shouldn't be crurisized when the President ( at the time) outright lied about te danger and he gets a pass by some here that refuse to seet he truth

 

[toby83]

Weird... Don't see much press on an Olympic athlete with a bad heart due to the "vaccine"

kool aid wallpaper

 

[RU848789]

those who favor blue want to continue mandates and ignore moving on with risk assessments, we have colleges ordering boosters not based on science and requiring students to mask and stay in their dorms and pull their mask up between bites WITH A VACCINE, WITH A VERY MILD VARIANT...tell me the end game here

imagine your college or high school experience going on the third year of this, lets wipe that from your memory and experiences...you think this isnt going to **** people up

and what are we doing it for...so we can make sure there is mail in balloting and not flood the hospitals...we know EXACTLY who are at risk here....elderly and those with several comorbidities....yet we are still acting like its March 2020

why do vaccinated care about unvaxxed, its their choice if they die, if you believe in your vaccine and booster.....

That's ridiculous that you and others think dems want this to go on - best thing, politically, for Biden/dems is for this to become endemic, so they can declare victory over COVID. I'm somewhat liberal and I was saying it might be over last summer - prematurely, but we were headed that way and it would've been if not for delta, then omicron being far more transmissible than the original strain.

And I've been saying for weeks that omicron is speeding up the transition from pandemic to endemic SARS-CoV-2, given what we've seen in South Africa and now the UK with a sharp peak, then a sharp decline as countries are nearing herd immunity - as long as we don't get a new, more transmissible variant that escapes immunity from vaccines and infection (unlikely, but possible).

Plus, while everyone (on both sides of the aisle) was pulling their hair out over omicron in mid-December thinking sports might get cancelled again, I said that was extremely unlikely to happen way back on 12/21, given the expected exponential rise, sharp peak, and fast decline that would likely only put sports at risk for a few weeks, with some cancellations, which is exactly what happened (thread deleted, but it's on TOS still). We were also very fortunate we've had so many vaccinated to reduce hospitalizations/deaths and that omicron turned out to be milder (we'd be in deep doo doo if not).

 

[RU848789]

Fauci made comments in late Janauary that totally downplayed the virus effect here

Trump allowed Fauci and the CDC to set policy here...bottom line

He did not - he simply said we don't have an epidemic in the US - yet - but that we were at great risk of having a pandemic. That's just a bit different from "it'll all just magically disappear" right as we were on the precipice of the worst pandemic in 100 years (and it was already underway, but we didn't know this in early March, since testing was botched so badly).

 

[MADHAT1]

Donald Trump was an inept and ineffective leader in virtually every way, but ultimately I think we end up in a very similar place on COVID with most any president.

we'll never know because his lies might have done more harm than we realized by making the virus more of a political issue then a health related one.
One thing for sure, Trump divided this nation into to camps.
Trump supporters became anti science and tended to believe conspiracy theories over scientific facts, making health protection issues a political issue as much as a health related one.

The other camp followed the advice health officials gave based on the latest scientific researcher and have to defend their beliefs against the anti science crowd inspired by the lies Trump first told and contused to say all during his presidency

A story anout George Washington goes > that when Washington was six years old, he received a hatchet as a gift, after which he promptly went and cut down his father’s favorite cherry tree. When his father found out about it, he was understandably angry and confronted his son, asking if he had done it, to which little George replied that yes, indeed, he had done it.


A story about Trump might be different:
Young Donald found some rotten apples and gave them to his admires as treats .
When those admires asked Donnie if the apples were good or not, Trump assured them that they were ripe and would make apple sauce great again.
Later it was reported that many people died eating apple sauce and the orange ones supporters blamed those deaths on Mr McIntosh's wife Granny Smith instead of the real cause 😇

 

[bac2therac]

Amazing still talking about Trump

 

[SkilletHead2]

No she is saying cloth masks don't work..and was backed up michael ohlstrom sp? Numerous times

Ever wonder how states with no mask mandates and then with mandates follow the same trajectory

Those mask mandates sure have helped in Europe

There is no question that the 95 series masks are substantially better than cloth masks. But, cloth masks are more effective than no masks. There is no question there either. See here from the Journal of the American Medical Association:

Community mask wearing substantially reduces transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in 2 ways. First, masks prevent infected persons from exposing others to SARS-CoV-2 by blocking exhalation of virus-containing droplets into the air (termed source control). This aspect of mask wearing is especially important because it is estimated that at least 50% or more of transmissions are from persons who never develop symptoms or those who are in the presymptomatic phase of COVID-19 illness.1 In recent laboratory experiments, multilayer cloth masks were more effective than single-layer masks, blocking as much as 50% to 70% of exhaled small droplets and particles.2,3

Effectiveness of Mask Wearing to Control Community Spread of SARS-CoV-2

This JAMA Insights CDC review summarizes accumulating evidence that mask wearing reduces spread of SARS-CoV-2 infection and that universal mandatory mask wearing policies reduce infections and deaths and emphasizes face masks are one component of pandemic control measures, including physical...

jamanetwork.com

The real benefit of cloth masks versus no masks is in spreading COVID, especially before you are symptomatic.

 

[fluoxetine]

Weird... Don't see much press on an Olympic athlete with a bad heart due to the "vaccine"

kool aid wallpaper

Probably because it's bullshit.

 

[RU848789]

With this ( proving you’re wrong again) I post my last response to you knowing the truth tends to elude you when you see it, no matter how many times it’s presented to you .

This is for others benefit, you I know will refuse to admit the truth

(from article, link below)
>Trump’s actions — and those of his staff and supporters — should come as no surprise. Over the past eight months, the president of the United States has lied about the dangers posed by the coronavirus and undermined efforts to contain it; he even admitted in an interview to purposefully misrepresenting the viral threat early in the pandemic. Trump has belittled masks and social-distancing requirements while encouraging people to protest against lockdown rules aimed at stopping disease transmission. His administration has undermined, suppressed and censored government scientists working to study the virus and reduce its harm. And his appointees have made political tools out of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), ordering the agencies to put out inaccurate information, issue ill-advised health guidance, and tout unproven and potentially harmful treatments for COVID-19.

“This is not just ineptitude, it’s sabotage,” says Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University in New York City, who has modelled the evolution of the pandemic and how earlier interventions might have saved lives in the United States. “He has sabotaged efforts to keep people safe.”<

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02800-9

edit: don't miss clicking this link in article"
undermined efforts to contain it;

Remember, these are people who would still love Trump even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, so to think they're going to ever admit that Trump's "leadership" on COVID was catastrophically bad is naive, particulary his criticisms of masks and inability to be a champion for vaccines, which were key reasons why several hundred thousand unncessary deaths occurred in the US...or admit that he and his followers were responsible for the most heinous attack on democracy in the history of this country - all based on a lie about the election with the least fraud in history being "stolen." They cannot be reasoned with. Whereas most of the rest of us are capable of being critical of our own leaders (I've been critical more than a few times of Biden and Harris, but not here since any politics has been squashed, but somehow is being allowed in this thread, for at least a little while), as we're open minded and fair.

 

[bac2therac]

There is no question that the 95 series masks are substantially better than cloth masks. But, cloth masks are more effective than no masks. There is no question there either. See here from the Journal of the American Medical Association:

Community mask wearing substantially reduces transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in 2 ways. First, masks prevent infected persons from exposing others to SARS-CoV-2 by blocking exhalation of virus-containing droplets into the air (termed source control). This aspect of mask wearing is especially important because it is estimated that at least 50% or more of transmissions are from persons who never develop symptoms or those who are in the presymptomatic phase of COVID-19 illness.1 In recent laboratory experiments, multilayer cloth masks were more effective than single-layer masks, blocking as much as 50% to 70% of exhaled small droplets and particles.2,3

Effectiveness of Mask Wearing to Control Community Spread of SARS-CoV-2

This JAMA Insights CDC review summarizes accumulating evidence that mask wearing reduces spread of SARS-CoV-2 infection and that universal mandatory mask wearing policies reduce infections and deaths and emphasizes face masks are one component of pandemic control measures, including physical...

jamanetwork.com

The real benefit of cloth masks versus no masks is in spreading COVID, especially before you are symptomatic.

Keep thinking this..there is a reason even the cdc is speaking on this Wen and Osterhom are speaking on this to tell lies..tough for you to admit

Feel free to knock yourself out wearing 3 n95s

I

 

[bac2therac]

Remember, these are people who would still love Trump even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, so to think they're going to ever admit that Trump's "leadership" on COVID was catastrophically bad, particulary his criticisms of masks and inability to be a champion for vaccines, which were key reasons why several hundred thousand unncessary deaths occurred in the US...or admit that he and his followers were responsible for the most heinous attack on democracy in the history of this country - all based on a lie about the election with the least fraud in history being "stolen." They cannot be reasoned with. Whereas most of the rest of us are capable of being critical of our own leaders (I've been critical more than a few times of Biden and Harris, but not here since any politics has been squashed, but somehow is being allowed in this thread, for at least a little while), as we're open minded and fair.

Lmfao

 

[bac2therac]

Remember when they said protesting was a human right during a raging pandemic

 

[SkilletHead2]

Lol what? One of his best ever was explaining how Japan got it right with masks and then months later their infection rate spiked to insane levels

Cloth masks do absolutely nothing. This has been shown over and over and over again. JFC how stupid are some of you?

Do me a favor, go outside today with your cloth mask and tell me if you see your breathe go right through it on a nice cold day like today.

FFS

Try decaf.

Also, try science. This, from the Journal of the American Medical Association:

Community mask wearing substantially reduces transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in 2 ways. First, masks prevent infected persons from exposing others to SARS-CoV-2 by blocking exhalation of virus-containing droplets into the air (termed source control). This aspect of mask wearing is especially important because it is estimated that at least 50% or more of transmissions are from persons who never develop symptoms or those who are in the presymptomatic phase of COVID-19 illness.1 In recent laboratory experiments, multilayer cloth masks were more effective than single-layer masks, blocking as much as 50% to 70% of exhaled small droplets and particles.2,3 In some cases, cloth masks have performed similar to surgical or procedure masks for source control. Second, masks protect uninfected wearers. Masks form a barrier to large respiratory droplets that could land on exposed mucous membranes of the eye, nose, and mouth. Masks can also partially filter out small droplets and particles from inhaled air. Multiple layers of fabric and fabrics with higher thread counts improve filtration.

Effectiveness of Mask Wearing to Control Community Spread of SARS-CoV-2

This JAMA Insights CDC review summarizes accumulating evidence that mask wearing reduces spread of SARS-CoV-2 infection and that universal mandatory mask wearing policies reduce infections and deaths and emphasizes face masks are one component of pandemic control measures, including physical...

jamanetwork.com

There just isn't any question about this, no matter how foul the language you resort to.

As to Japan, do you not understand that Omicron is different from the original strain and delta? Listen, if you want to live with your eyes squeezed shut against science, go right ahead. If you want to stay up to date on the actual science, Numb3rs is an excellent source.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Keep thinking this..there is a reason even the cdc is speaking on this Wen and Osterhom are speaking on this to tell lies..tough for you to admit

Feel free to knock yourself out wearing 3 n95s

I

Go ahead and ignore the data. It's your long suit.

And btw, Wen, Osterholm, and the CDC all recommend wearing masks.

 

[bac2therac]

N95s

 

[bac2therac]

By the way im done with masks..been done for 9 months..only at rac

But continue your quest for zero covid

Many are pushing for life to get to normal now thank god

 

[RU848789]

Lol what? One of his best ever was explaining how Japan got it right with masks and then months later their infection rate spiked to insane levels

Cloth masks do absolutely nothing. This has been shown over and over and over again. JFC how stupid are some of you?

Do me a favor, go outside today with your cloth mask and tell me if you see your breathe go right through it on a nice cold day like today.

FFS

Serious question: do you ever even try to understand the science? Japan has about 1/20th the death rate per capita as the US (meaning the US would have about 45K dead and not 880K dead if we did as well as they have done) and has never had an "insane" outbreak, relative to the US.

And you don't think masks had anything to do with that? Newsflash, they did. And your comments about masks reveal the intellect of a porpoise or maybe a spiny anteater. You can see your breath through a mask, because that's the water vapor in your breath condensing in the cold air, because gases, like water vapor (and CO2 and O2 and N2, so you can breathe) go completely through almost any mask...but virus-laden water droplets and even most "dry" virus particulates do not, because - wait for it - science. They're not gases/vapors and will be retained by a combination of physicochemical sorption and size exclusion, aided by electrostatic attraction, which, depending on the mask type, can remove some or most (but not all) virus particles - so they reduce transmissions, significantly for N95s, much less so for cloth (but not zero). Period. End of story. Do you need me to speak more slowly or perhaps draw it out in crayon so you might understand?

 

[RUfinally2008]

This link to a scientific article is not related to the deranged ranting I quoted in my post. If this is what he is talking about, you need a translator to figure that out, which is my point.


I mean it's fairly obvious what the plan* was to any non-idiot. It was to get everyone vaccinated, watch the virus fade away on its own, and take as much credit for that as possible. Unfortunately, a couple things were unanticipated:

(1) The Facebook and OAN induced holes in many people's brains are larger than previously thought, which caused a lot of resistance to getting vaccinated.

(2) Variants made the vaccines less effective (note, to people who are aware of the existence of numbers between 0 and 1, this is not the same thing as completely ineffective).

On #1, Biden and Harris induced holes in many people's brains, "including yours", long before anyone even thought to lose faith in vaccines. No excuses on unanticipated "things", you would NEVER have given Trump that luxury, and you know it. FJB. PS. you also never tried to give a reason Biden has gone out of his way to call out 1/2 the country, The Great healer/Uniter, my as$.