So are you saying that abusing children wasn't in PSU's code of conduct, so they never took any disciplinary action because it wouldn't have resulted in a lack of institutional control?
Never Been Contacted by a Coach Regarding Grades
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So are you saying that abusing children wasn't in PSU's code of conduct, so they never took any disciplinary action because it wouldn't have resulted in a lack of institutional control?
I will tell you right now that Joe made a mistake. Common sense says he should have reported it.
Technically the athletic department followed Penn State policy. Joe reported to his superior. Morally Joe could have and should have done more. Secondly NCAA did not follow their own written policy in sanctioning Penn State I would have no problem if the NCAA sanctioned Penn State they should have made a formal investigation, hearing and sanctions. They should not have as Emmert said bluffed their way into sanctions.
Coaches should indeed be allowed to talk to professors. It is idiotic that they can't, if that is even rule.
I would think you'd be honored to hear from a head coach, especially one of Floods class and dignity.
You have one job, give the grade the kid deserves, why would you be uncomfortable, if your comfortable with yourself.
A coach checking on the status of a player he cares about should be considered a plus
You have one job, give the grade the kid deserves, why would you be uncomfortable, if your comfortable with yourself.
A coach checking on the status of a player he cares about should be considered a plus
You f'ing have a million post little man. You have speculated about just about everything there is to speculate regarding RU football and you don't even go to the games. I'd say about 99.9% of your posts were "obvious to the point of not needing to be said". Maybe you should actually attend a game every once in a while.
you say: Morally Joe should have done more (right)
So I guess the e-mail implicating his role in cover-up was not important enough to consider he was more than morally wrong!.
Joe didn't deserve to be fired for helping Coach Emeritus escape justice for years., he did what he had to do for Penn St FB ( my take on what PSU_Nut means (technically speaking)
Penn St never should have accepted their sanctions , because Emmett bullied them is the message I get from what PSU_Nut posted.
Next up : PSU_Nut, finds the killer OJ is looking for and proves the jury was right.
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Would't have had the same impact as the Head Coach inquiring. At least that's what Flood believed.
Also since time might be a factor, Kyle wanted to find out what Nadir could do as quickly as possible , before it was to late for anything to be done.
There are many reasons Flood could have decided to get involved personally in trying to find out if Barnwell still had time to help himself.
I believe psu nut needs to get a new NCAA rule book not the one penn st. provided for him. The rule clearly states that faculty contact is permissible. However, the intent of contact shall in no way be in regards to changing of grades or pressure to change grades. His lack of institution control theory is far reaching. Since the Rutgers rule exceeds that of NCAA guidelines.
psu nut is just providing misinformation, business as usual for some of the Nit posters that come on this board.
PSU Nut is a perfectly reasonable poster. Attacking PSU posters for no reasons makes our fans look really stupid. Kyle Flood has a whole academic support system. He should not contact faculty directly IMO.
Why the hell should a college professor be honored to hear from a football coach? That's idiotic.
What if the rules were followed initially and Flood was just continuing the conversation. Look I know what he did was wrong due to Rutgers rules. But if he was just continuing a conversation this whole situation is way over blown. psu nuts whole premise that this would fall under lack of institutional control is just wrong according to the rule book.
Because the rules of a polite society would suggest as much.
Does it come as a surprise to you that you, for the most part, come across here as an arrogant jackass?
The PSU folks in this thread have a reasonable excuse for not understanding the context of the discussion. Paterno never actually knew that there were grades. And he certainly never stooped so low as to consider academics or discipline as critical path elements in the day to day operation of his football program. See "Vicky Triponey".
stop attacking these guys. they are not trolls and have contributed for years. show how smart you are by debating and not attacking..
Anyone associated with PSU is permanently excluded from having an opinion on any topic related to morals and ethics.
Anyone associated with PSU is permanently excluded from having an opinion on any topic related to morals and ethics.
come on..there has got to be at least 5% decent level headed human beings associated with TSFP... (as much as it pains me to say):victory:
You should know this before posting on the subject, as it would be a major difference.
Did you ever feel intimidated by football staff? Because the implication here is that Flood's question, "Can Player do anything to improve his grade" was so filled with innuendo, that the professor must have felt like he couldn't say no, or else he would be confronted with the wrath of the athletic department. Because Flood is so powerful and famous at RU, lol. PSU has actually had famous and powerful coaches, so find it telling that you have left students ineligible, apparently without any fear of repercussions.
That is my gripe with this whole thing. The supposition that Flood has such clout that he could intimidate academic faculty at RU is, quite frankly, laughable. I mean that could only be believed by someone with no idea of how RU operates. The faculty at RU couldn't give a shit about keeping an athlete eligible, and I suspect a significant portion of them would delight in the opportunity to strip an athlete of what they view as an undeserved scholarship.
Yes, but until medical science comes up with a foolproof diagnostic test to determine who those people are, we cannot afford to make assumptions.
Is Flood not considered to be a faculty member? He said when interviewed today that he teaches classes on campus.
http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...25/kyle-flood-investigation-rutgers/32333135/
http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...25/kyle-flood-investigation-rutgers/32333135/
There must be a full moon tonight that I find myself agreeing with a PSU professor (ImBadRU) and PSU_Nut here. I think that PSU_Nut nails the situation, and appreciate ImBadRU's sharing of his perspective on this.
While I don't think that Flood had any intentional malice here, he seems frighteningly ignorant of an important athletic department rule.
This post makes zero sense, which is pretty much par for the course for you whenever you talk about anything other than football. How in God's name do the "rules of polite society" suggest one should be honored to be contacted by another employee at ones place of employment, whether that person's contact is a breach of propriety or not? Are you familiar with the meaning of the common phrase "to be honored"? The professor didn't receive a freaking medal. He didnt get a congratulatory email from an esteemed senior colleague in his field. He didn't get a phone call from.the president. He got an email from a guy who is, in the grand scheme of things, basically a highly paid gym teacher. No, I don't think the "rules of polite society" dictate he should be "honored" by that contact. Any such "rules" would probably call for little more than common courtesy (assuming the email was not instead seen as a breach of decorum, as appears to be the case ).
Football coaches should be able to speak directly to professors because more often than not, the student-athlete can benefit from it.
Should the professor call the Star Ledger if a coach calls to see if the kid is going to class? Are there no reasons a coach should talk to a professor?
Apparently professors think they are special.
Should the professor call the Star Ledger if a coach calls to see if the kid is going to class? Are there no reasons a coach should talk to a professor?
Apparently professors think they are special.
See, this right here? It's why I'm glad to be blessed with an income level sufficient to prevent my kids from having to be exposed to your particular brand of vapid, self-righteous posturing.
So... enjoy my "Ignore" list.
I don't get people harping on the 'private email as intent to conceal' piece. If said email was sent to a Rutgers email AND COPIED to others (and if Coach Flood does indeed teach classes on campus), how could anyone in their right minds say 'trying to hide something?'
It's 2015; I'm going to give Flood the benefit of the doubt and think that he's not the absolute moron some on here are trying to make him out to be and he understands that emails can be traced and any email sent to a 'public agency' address can be reviewed depending on the circumstances.
Joe P.
It's 2015; I'm going to give Flood the benefit of the doubt and think that he's not the absolute moron some on here are trying to make him out to be and he understands that emails can be traced and any email sent to a 'public agency' address can be reviewed depending on the circumstances.
Joe P.
For the same reason a football Coach should be honored to hear from an esteemed professor.
Joe deserved to be fired. All I was saying is Joe followed Penn State policy at the time in reporting it to supervisors. Joe and the administrators did not handle it properly and the university is paying the prices.
You also missed my point. I don't believe in mob justice. I feel if an organization has rules and bylaws they should follow them. Specifically if NCAA rules call for due process and a chance for the accused to speak then they should get that opportunity. NCAA bylaws calls for that opportunity. Those Penn State involved Paterno, Curley, Spanier and Schultz have never been given the opportunity to give their side to the story. Freeh or the NCAA never even spoke to them. For example Curley or Joe never said what Was said in the meeting referenced in the email. Everyone makes the assumption Joe told them what to do in the meeting. Secondly the Freeh report makes the assumption of motive with no evidence supporting that. I think he clearly showed they did not report it. To me what the NCAA did would be like us executing the Boston marathon bomber without a trial. No matter how outraged we are by it he did deserve a trial. We don't just throw out the constitution when it not convent.
As I said, never heard from a FB staff member, only academic support which cuts across all sports. So, never had a reason to feel intimidated. And no, I would never have felt intimidated. But some people might feel that way if the head FB coach contacted them.
When someone posts this type of crap in this thread, I will claim he/she posts misinformation
(PSU Nut) >"Technically the athletic department followed Penn State policy. Joe reported to his superior. Morally Joe could have and should have done more. Secondly NCAA did not follow their own written policy in sanctioning Penn State I would have no problem if the NCAA sanctioned Penn State they should have made a formal investigation, hearing and sanctions. They should not have as Emmert said bluffed their way into sanctions."<
Then tries to put the worst case scenario on the incident being discussed, I'll say what I please about him/her and won't be shy doing so.
There was a reason and you refuse to acknowledge it.
Weren't you the poster that claimed you talked to Nit recruits and they said Flood had no stain?
If I'm wrong, accept my sincere apology because I try not to attack another poster without just cause.
Edit : PSU Nut explained what he meant and I'll not attack him over it, but will say his worst case scernio was ill advised in my opinion.
Another bloviating professor who thinks so highly of himself that he can't afford to spend $10 a month without getting permission from his wife.
It must piss him off that many "gym teachers" make more in two years than he will in his entire life.
The point is that schools have entire staff who job is specifically do that. Coaches don't have time to be calling all the professors to check on players. That is why they have staff of advisors.
Maybe Flood, being a former teacher, likes being in touch directly with professors. They both work for the same school. Does it matter if he reaches out or someone else, provided they are saying the same thing and aren't seeking special treatment?
I never said NCAA rules prohibit it. NCAA rules say coaches and athletic department member must follow rules set up by their university. If Rutger policy is no emailing professors then the NCAA says Flood must follow that.
Flood had no reason to call all the professors, that's why he made contact with just one.
You don't need an entire staff to inquire about one kid
You don't need an entire staff to inquire about one kid
If Rutgers internal policies prohibit it then yes he must follow that policy. Let me put it this way. If flood has time to routinely contact individual professors then he either not doing some of his football responsibilities or doesn't sleep. There simply not enough time. The only time a head coach is going to reach out is if they want a favor. Typically coaches get weekly report. Most coaches only want to know who in danger of failing. Coaches pay lid service to it and may give a speech or two to players but the real work is done by the academic staff. They are the reason players graduate. Not the head coach.
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