I would have to admit I was wrong, and Lesniak would actually deserve credit for helping this get done.From NJ.com:
The financial terms haven't been determined, but state Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union), who has been an influential figure in the push to upgrade the Rutgers athletics facilities, said a portion of the total cost for a facilities upgrade could be covered by Economic Redevelopment and Growth (ERG) tax credits that are available for developing mixed-use parking projects.
That legislation, which Lesniak is expected to sponsor in the coming months, is expected to be modeled after a bill introduced by Senate President Steve Sweeney (D-Gloucester) and state Sen. Nellie Pou (D-Paterson) last October, which permits municipalities to receive tax credits under the ERG grant program for certain mixed-use parking projects in Garden State Growth Zones and urban hubs.
Lesniak said his legislation would target the towns and cities with state-research institutions, and could be used to support a mixed-use parking facility for the Cooper Medical School of Rowan University in Camden, the new basketball facility at NJIT in Newark and the basketball practice facility at Rutgers.
That would explain why they are talking about putting it on a parking deck. Classic misuse of political funds (not that I care - thats how the world turns).Originally posted by TonyLieske:
Ok, if this actually happens as described:
I would have to admit I was wrong, and Lesniak would actually deserve credit for helping this get done.From NJ.com:
The financial terms haven't been determined, but state Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union), who has been an influential figure in the push to upgrade the Rutgers athletics facilities, said a portion of the total cost for a facilities upgrade could be covered by Economic Redevelopment and Growth (ERG) tax credits that are available for developing mixed-use parking projects.
That legislation, which Lesniak is expected to sponsor in the coming months, is expected to be modeled after a bill introduced by Senate President Steve Sweeney (D-Gloucester) and state Sen. Nellie Pou (D-Paterson) last October, which permits municipalities to receive tax credits under the ERG grant program for certain mixed-use parking projects in Garden State Growth Zones and urban hubs.
Lesniak said his legislation would target the towns and cities with state-research institutions, and could be used to support a mixed-use parking facility for the Cooper Medical School of Rowan University in Camden, the new basketball facility at NJIT in Newark and the basketball practice facility at Rutgers.
I am still somewhat skeptical, so we will have to see if it works as he proposes or not. I do know Devco has used similar tax credits to help RU fund construction on the College Ave campus (new apartments with retail on the ground floor) so it wouldn't be totally outlandish.
I hear you, but a parking deck would work reasonably well there (between the Rac, the new dorms, and the Business School extra parking could certainly come in handy and I bet it would get a lot of usage...plus a parking garage is much more dense than a parking lot). I still assume they would need some significant donations to attach the practice facility, but simply by combining the two facilities in to one you will naturally reduce the cost of one or both of the projects.Originally posted by derleider:
That would explain why they are talking about putting it on a parking deck. Classic misuse of political funds (not that I care - thats how the world turns).Originally posted by TonyLieske:
Ok, if this actually happens as described:
I would have to admit I was wrong, and Lesniak would actually deserve credit for helping this get done.From NJ.com:
The financial terms haven't been determined, but state Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union), who has been an influential figure in the push to upgrade the Rutgers athletics facilities, said a portion of the total cost for a facilities upgrade could be covered by Economic Redevelopment and Growth (ERG) tax credits that are available for developing mixed-use parking projects.
That legislation, which Lesniak is expected to sponsor in the coming months, is expected to be modeled after a bill introduced by Senate President Steve Sweeney (D-Gloucester) and state Sen. Nellie Pou (D-Paterson) last October, which permits municipalities to receive tax credits under the ERG grant program for certain mixed-use parking projects in Garden State Growth Zones and urban hubs.
Lesniak said his legislation would target the towns and cities with state-research institutions, and could be used to support a mixed-use parking facility for the Cooper Medical School of Rowan University in Camden, the new basketball facility at NJIT in Newark and the basketball practice facility at Rutgers.
I am still somewhat skeptical, so we will have to see if it works as he proposes or not. I do know Devco has used similar tax credits to help RU fund construction on the College Ave campus (new apartments with retail on the ground floor) so it wouldn't be totally outlandish.
Would certainly give Lesniak some credit if in fact that comes through.
Sure, but Im guessing that if the tax incentive werent there they would simply allow the giant surface lot to suffice.Originally posted by TonyLieske:
I hear you, but a parking deck would work reasonably well there (between the Rac, the new dorms, and the Business School extra parking could certainly come in handy and I bet it would get a lot of usage...plus a parking garage is much more dense than a parking lot). I still assume they would need some significant donations to attach the practice facility, but simply by combining the two facilities in to one you will naturally reduce the cost of one or both of the projects.Originally posted by derleider:
That would explain why they are talking about putting it on a parking deck. Classic misuse of political funds (not that I care - thats how the world turns).Originally posted by TonyLieske:
Ok, if this actually happens as described:
I would have to admit I was wrong, and Lesniak would actually deserve credit for helping this get done.From NJ.com:
The financial terms haven't been determined, but state Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union), who has been an influential figure in the push to upgrade the Rutgers athletics facilities, said a portion of the total cost for a facilities upgrade could be covered by Economic Redevelopment and Growth (ERG) tax credits that are available for developing mixed-use parking projects.
That legislation, which Lesniak is expected to sponsor in the coming months, is expected to be modeled after a bill introduced by Senate President Steve Sweeney (D-Gloucester) and state Sen. Nellie Pou (D-Paterson) last October, which permits municipalities to receive tax credits under the ERG grant program for certain mixed-use parking projects in Garden State Growth Zones and urban hubs.
Lesniak said his legislation would target the towns and cities with state-research institutions, and could be used to support a mixed-use parking facility for the Cooper Medical School of Rowan University in Camden, the new basketball facility at NJIT in Newark and the basketball practice facility at Rutgers.
I am still somewhat skeptical, so we will have to see if it works as he proposes or not. I do know Devco has used similar tax credits to help RU fund construction on the College Ave campus (new apartments with retail on the ground floor) so it wouldn't be totally outlandish.
Would certainly give Lesniak some credit if in fact that comes through.
Rutgers needs lots of decks. It needs less surface parking. The Purple Lot should be gone as soon as they can find the money to build something on top of it for example. The RAC lots are less offensive (on the outskirts of campus), but I guess if they fill up during the day, then a deck is a good plan.Originally posted by Scarlet_Scourge:
They REALLY need a parking deck badly there now, so if pairing it up with the practice allows both to happens, that is just awesome.
Just these few sneak peaks really does make it sound like it will FINALLY happen.
We have waited for so long, I don't think some people will believe it until there are cranes there.
I don't think they want a giant surface lot. The campus plan calls for a commercial research district with 4 parking decks, including the one adjacent to the RAC.Originally posted by derleider:
Sure, but Im guessing that if the tax incentive werent there they would simply allow the giant surface lot to suffice.Originally posted by TonyLieske:
I hear you, but a parking deck would work reasonably well there (between the Rac, the new dorms, and the Business School extra parking could certainly come in handy and I bet it would get a lot of usage...plus a parking garage is much more dense than a parking lot). I still assume they would need some significant donations to attach the practice facility, but simply by combining the two facilities in to one you will naturally reduce the cost of one or both of the projects.Originally posted by derleider:
That would explain why they are talking about putting it on a parking deck. Classic misuse of political funds (not that I care - thats how the world turns).
Would certainly give Lesniak some credit if in fact that comes through.
Go cry on the physics message board.Originally posted by mal359:
In other news, the physics labs look like they're straight out of Steinert High School.
But hey! At least we'll have a fancy practice court now! Maybe CVS will win the WNIT again! Maybe Eddie Jordan will win three, maybe four conference games!
watOriginally posted by mal359:
In other news, the physics labs look like they're straight out of Steinert High School.
But hey! At least we'll have a fancy practice court now! Maybe CVS will win the WNIT again! Maybe Eddie Jordan will win three, maybe four conference games!
Originally posted by mal359:
In other news, the physics labs look like they're straight out of Steinert High School.
But hey! At least we'll have a fancy practice court now! Maybe CVS will win the WNIT again! Maybe Eddie Jordan will win three, maybe four conference games!
That might be true - but since it doesn';t look like RU is going to spend non-donations/state money on the facility, its a moot point.Originally posted by mal359:
In other news, the physics labs look like they're straight out of Steinert High School.
But hey! At least we'll have a fancy practice court now! Maybe CVS will win the WNIT again! Maybe Eddie Jordan will win three, maybe four conference games!
Blame the Chemistry DepartmentOriginally posted by mal359:
In other news, the physics labs look like they're straight out of Steinert High School.
Oh come on now. There are lots of reasons to spew vile at state senators, university presidents and athletics directors. :)Originally posted by NotInRHouse:
Will the Lesniak, Barchi and/or JH haters take back that there was no plan, all grandstanding, nonsense arguments?
This a sensible plan. Would have loved a downtown arena but I will take it.
The science wings on the Hamilton Schools are actually pretty nice though.Originally posted by mal359:
In other news, the physics labs look like they're straight out of Steinert High School.
But hey! At least we'll have a fancy practice court now! Maybe CVS will win the WNIT again! Maybe Eddie Jordan will win three, maybe four conference games!
der - those surface lots near the RAC are jam packed every day, so yes, decks are needed. Have to give Lesniak some credit here, at least for pushing hard and being creative. Liked this part...Originally posted by derleider:
Rutgers needs lots of decks. It needs less surface parking. The Purple Lot should be gone as soon as they can find the money to build something on top of it for example. The RAC lots are less offensive (on the outskirts of campus), but I guess if they fill up during the day, then a deck is a good plan.Originally posted by Scarlet_Scourge:
They REALLY need a parking deck badly there now, so if pairing it up with the practice allows both to happens, that is just awesome.
Just these few sneak peaks really does make it sound like it will FINALLY happen.
We have waited for so long, I don't think some people will believe it until there are cranes there.
Either way - I like it.
I envisioned something like that. Though it may not cost as much,Originally posted by _dave_:
Looks like the Caps' facility is on top of an 8-story garage, is 137,000 sq feet and cost $42.7 million. Linked are pics from the architectural firm.
I'm not sensing a change from Barchi. This is pretty much what he has been saying all along. He's been pretty consistent that Rutgers isn't going to get into a spending arms race with Ohio St and Michigan. He's also been pretty consistent that absent the spending arms race, we will spend appropriately to be competitive in the Big Ten. And he's been pretty consistent that the spending needs to be funded by the athletic department and other sources, because the goal is to eliminate or significantly reduce the university subsidy, excluding student fees.Originally posted by LKAP13:
I think they saved most important quote for last!
"We're going to go as big as we need to go for our teams to be competitive in the league,'' Barchi told NJ Advance Media on Wednesday.
Clearly a change of tone from Barchi.