Nick Saban Retiring
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Top programs have long held a depth advantage.
Now many 4 star+ players dont want to sit on the bench.
Like a lot of top program coaches, Saban differentiates between sponsor NIL and collectives.
With the kind of football frenzied, alum base Bama has I could see collectives being a real PITA.
I think Saban saw the ground opening under his feet
Nick Saban:
“I think name, image and likeness is good for players. The whole concept of collectives is what has created this environment that we are in, and I’m not sure that anybody really had the insight or the vision to see that was going to happen. ..
When you create those [collectives] for people, are you establishing a pay-for-play type of environment that can be used in recruiting? So now, all the sudden, guys are not going to school where they can create the most value for their future. Guys are going to school where they can make the most money. I don’t think that is even the best thing for the player.
I don’t know that I completely have the answer to that. I think one of the things is everybody having a different state law. A lot of people blame the NCAA for a lot of this, but the NCAA sometimes gets caught. … Because of the changes we’ve had in what’s legal and not, they can’t enforce their own rules and they’re in a little bit of a dilemma, too...
I don’t think we realize sometimes what [universities] are all trying to do to help players—get an education, develop a career off the field, develop personal characteristics that are going to help them be successful in life, all these things we do to help them develop athletically. We invest a lot in that. That’s important for their future success.
We can improve the quality of life for players while they’re going to college, but it needs to be more.
One player should not be [earning] up here and another down here. It should be more equal. When you put these two things together—transfer whenever you want and the system we have now for name, image and likeness—you create a double-edged sword and you have people out there trying to get between the player and money who are trying to create a market. "
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Now many 4 star+ players dont want to sit on the bench.
Like a lot of top program coaches, Saban differentiates between sponsor NIL and collectives.
With the kind of football frenzied, alum base Bama has I could see collectives being a real PITA.
I think Saban saw the ground opening under his feet
Nick Saban:
“I think name, image and likeness is good for players. The whole concept of collectives is what has created this environment that we are in, and I’m not sure that anybody really had the insight or the vision to see that was going to happen. ..
When you create those [collectives] for people, are you establishing a pay-for-play type of environment that can be used in recruiting? So now, all the sudden, guys are not going to school where they can create the most value for their future. Guys are going to school where they can make the most money. I don’t think that is even the best thing for the player.
I don’t know that I completely have the answer to that. I think one of the things is everybody having a different state law. A lot of people blame the NCAA for a lot of this, but the NCAA sometimes gets caught. … Because of the changes we’ve had in what’s legal and not, they can’t enforce their own rules and they’re in a little bit of a dilemma, too...
I don’t think we realize sometimes what [universities] are all trying to do to help players—get an education, develop a career off the field, develop personal characteristics that are going to help them be successful in life, all these things we do to help them develop athletically. We invest a lot in that. That’s important for their future success.
We can improve the quality of life for players while they’re going to college, but it needs to be more.
One player should not be [earning] up here and another down here. It should be more equal. When you put these two things together—transfer whenever you want and the system we have now for name, image and likeness—you create a double-edged sword and you have people out there trying to get between the player and money who are trying to create a market. "
Alabama Coach Nick Saban Weighs in on NIL, Player Safety and NCAA Rules Changes
Saban says he wants NIL for players, but argues that more regulation is needed going forward so athletes are making their decisions for the right reasons.
Bama needs to go get some serious AFLAC GAP insurance.
Next Alabama coach -
Coach Prime?
This is my issue with those against NIL while coaches are raking in the cashTop programs have long held a depth advantage.
Now many 4 star+ players dont want to sit on the bench.
Like a lot of top program coaches, Saban differentiates between sponsor NIL and collectives.
With the kind of football frenzied, alum base Bama has I could see collectives being a real PITA.
I think Saban saw the ground opening under his feet
Nick Saban:
“I think name, image and likeness is good for players. The whole concept of collectives is what has created this environment that we are in, and I’m not sure that anybody really had the insight or the vision to see that was going to happen. ..
When you create those [collectives] for people, are you establishing a pay-for-play type of environment that can be used in recruiting? So now, all the sudden, guys are not going to school where they can create the most value for their future. Guys are going to school where they can make the most money. I don’t think that is even the best thing for the player.
I don’t know that I completely have the answer to that. I think one of the things is everybody having a different state law. A lot of people blame the NCAA for a lot of this, but the NCAA sometimes gets caught. … Because of the changes we’ve had in what’s legal and not, they can’t enforce their own rules and they’re in a little bit of a dilemma, too...
I don’t think we realize sometimes what [universities] are all trying to do to help players—get an education, develop a career off the field, develop personal characteristics that are going to help them be successful in life, all these things we do to help them develop athletically. We invest a lot in that. That’s important for their future success.
We can improve the quality of life for players while they’re going to college, but it needs to be more.
One player should not be [earning] up here and another down here. It should be more equal. When you put these two things together—transfer whenever you want and the system we have now for name, image and likeness—you create a double-edged sword and you have people out there trying to get between the player and money who are trying to create a market. "
Alabama Coach Nick Saban Weighs in on NIL, Player Safety and NCAA Rules Changes
Saban says he wants NIL for players, but argues that more regulation is needed going forward so athletes are making their decisions for the right reasons.
Why shouldn’t Caleb Williams earn 10x what the 3rd string running back makes?
Just like Saban earns 10 x more than the “get back” coach or Quality Control analyst
If he felt that strongly about equal pay, he would’ve had everyone on his staff making the exact same
Now I know why the Seahawks moved Pete Carroll from their HC to being an adviser .
It's hard to coach a team based in Seattle , Washington from Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
But advice is only a quick text or phone call away
edit: uninformed sources claim based on unreliable sources:
Nick is going back to the pro game.
A NFL team based in the state of Washington just booted their HC , so they can bring in Saban.
Greg Schiano was the back up plan,
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Has anyone heard if the Jets are going to do anything to honor Nick Saban when they play Miami next season?
Maybe a video tribute or on the field.
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The question already aired: greatest football coach ever, ahead of Belicheck?
I say no. Recruiting at Alabama is starting at third base and only a few teams have access to the top players. Talent is roughly equal in the pros via the the draft and free agency so it’s a lot harder to win consistently.
And while BB did have Brady, it’s still a team game and he oversaw defense and specials too.
Much more difficult to win in the pros no matter who’s on the team.
I say no. Recruiting at Alabama is starting at third base and only a few teams have access to the top players. Talent is roughly equal in the pros via the the draft and free agency so it’s a lot harder to win consistently.
And while BB did have Brady, it’s still a team game and he oversaw defense and specials too.
Much more difficult to win in the pros no matter who’s on the team.
I don't think anyone has asked that question. Maybe some afternoon dolt on ESPN but no one serious
Well he used to coach Miami and they will be playing Miami.
So maybe they have him out at MetLife for the game or a video board tribute.
Good guess. Some ESPN host I didn’t know asked Stephen A Smith, who answered Saban was better bc he won with multiple different QBs. Maybe he’d have answered BB if he retired first.
I think it’s much harder to win in the pros no matter who the QB is.
Hey Chris Ash! Tuscaloosa is calling!
I agree with Kiffin. I could see him leave Ole Miss and he’s ballsy enough to be like yea I can follow the legend lol.
I think Lanning stays in Oregon but we’ll see.
Actually I forgot, Kiffin has already done it once at USC. He replaced a legend in Pete Carroll. He might not have been successful but the willingness was there to attempt it.
As much as I dislike Belichick (being a Jet fan), I would give him the nod. It’s more difficult to win big consistently in the NFL. The talent level is so close in most games. He did have a great QB which is a key factor but those defenses were top level. Also, consider he won all those championships in the salary cap/ FA era. That is awfully hard to do. Saban is no doubt one of the great coaches in history but he had a distinct talent advantage in probably 90% of his games. Top 3 recruiting classes every year. The way Saban ran his program is really “the model”.
Because of NIL cash is now the king more than ever. With Alabama being a poor state it is going to be harder for The Crimson Tide to stay on top. So if you are a coach at a P5 in a State with significant wealth(see Washington & Oregon) why would you leave for that pressure cooker. I can definitely see Lane moving on to Bama(Mississippi might be poorer than Alabama) and maybe Dabo.
Belichick recruiting 18 year olds @ 72 and the last 40 years in the pros?
10000 - 1
Oregon is okay with this? In business publicly interviewing at the competition gets you shitcanned.
Beats me. Maybe it's a negotiating tactic to get more money from Oregon. He's a young and bold guy. As one of the writers posted on X, it's a risky move following Saban. 10-2 is not going to cut it in Tuscaloosa.
SI has picked up the story.
Was listening to a pod from Feldman and Mandel and Feldman said Greg Byrne told the team that there would be a replacement in 3 days. That is pretty fast imo without an internal promotion and that’s not the case here.
Would be something for Oregon to lose 3 coaches like this but I’ll still have to see it to believe it. Also local tv and radio breaking news reports aren’t always the most reliable as opposed to more mainstream CFB media and none of them have mentioned it yet.
Edit: Forgot to mention that Feldman said it would take way more than the reported 20M to get Lanning. He got the info from another school that inquired about Lanning in the past.
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Maybe misjudging him, but Lanning strikes me as a young renegade (he's only 37), and he may not feel any ties to or loyalty to the state of Oregon. He is originally from Missouri, and maybe he yearns to coach in the SEC? Just spitballing on this. But add in a sweet contract, and he would probably move.
Any of the established coaches in good places will stay put
Kirby
Dabo
Norvell
Sark
Couple reasons.
1. NIL has leveled the playing field in some aspects
2. Following a legend is never a good thing
3. Insane expectations at Bama
4. They'll all leverage this to get raises and ancillary things (facility upgrades, additional staff, etc.)
Some smoke out there Terry is sick and Nick wants to spend time with her. Coaches spend so much of their lives dedicating it to the game that they miss a ton of faimly time.
Grateful for what Saban has done for the game, advancing it and being a consumate professional. Truly the GOAT (college football) and it was a pleasure watching him do his thing
Also good when someone starts at the bottom (Toledo), works his way up (Sparty), gets to the top (LSU), tries something new and fails (Dolphins), and reseructs himself to even greater heights (Bama)
Sounds corny, but to me it's an inspirational story. By all accounts he's a good guy, and his track record speaks for itself.
Wishing Nick and Terry much health, happiness and comfort in their well deserved retirement
Kirby
Dabo
Norvell
Sark
Couple reasons.
1. NIL has leveled the playing field in some aspects
2. Following a legend is never a good thing
3. Insane expectations at Bama
4. They'll all leverage this to get raises and ancillary things (facility upgrades, additional staff, etc.)
Some smoke out there Terry is sick and Nick wants to spend time with her. Coaches spend so much of their lives dedicating it to the game that they miss a ton of faimly time.
Grateful for what Saban has done for the game, advancing it and being a consumate professional. Truly the GOAT (college football) and it was a pleasure watching him do his thing
Also good when someone starts at the bottom (Toledo), works his way up (Sparty), gets to the top (LSU), tries something new and fails (Dolphins), and reseructs himself to even greater heights (Bama)
Sounds corny, but to me it's an inspirational story. By all accounts he's a good guy, and his track record speaks for itself.
Wishing Nick and Terry much health, happiness and comfort in their well deserved retirement
I don't think Smart is going anywhere. He's from Alabama but also a UGA alum and he's king there.
I don't think Lanning would go despite reports of him being in Tuscaloosa and the favorite but we'll see. Buyout could be huge too, even more than 20M.
I don't think Sarkisian would leave given he just took Texas to the playoffs and they have a ton of resources, even more than Alabama.
I don't think Dabo will leave but I wouldn't shut the door on him completely. If he gets grief at Clemson, he'll definitely get a ton in Alabama and he doesn't seem to want to change with the game. Also I wonder if Alabama would want him now that his star has fallen a little. SEC is tougher than the ACC too.
I don't think Norvell would leave but I could see it. You're always going on about FSU in the ACC so if he sees it as being stuck or the fact that FSU got passed over by Alabama for the playoffs then I wouldn't completely shut the door on him.
I definitely could see Kiffin leave Ole Miss but I don't know that Alabama would want him. Feldman was mentioning his firing by Saban, needling of Saban and if Saban has any sort of input he might not get a look.
DeBoer is also mentioned but he just seems like a bad fit for Alabama even though I think he's good coach. I don't think he's coached in that part of the country before, not that he couldn't. Feldman mentioned he just hired Jimmy Sexton as his agent, the same guy as Saban and frankly a ton of coaches. If by some chance he did leave, if I'm Washington I'd just promote Ryan Grubb. Would be kind of funny if DeBoer took the Alabama job when Grubb turned down the OC spot Saban offered last year.
From one side (coach) or the other side (Alabama) most of these seem less likely to happen than more likely to happen but we'll see. Norvell seems most likely out of the bunch imo. If it ends up being none of the names mentioned, wonder where they would turn.
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A lot of it has to do with pressure by Boosters and alumni
Norvell has high expectations by those constituents, but nothing on Bama's level
UF has a massive problem with this - Bull Gators are known to be hardcore nuts. They drove out both NC winning coaches (SOS & Urbs) due to how crazy they are
Dabo is king there. He'd literally be insane to leave (now)
Not saying it won't happen in the future, but let the next guy fall on the sword
might be poorer than Alabama) and maybe Dabo.
I'm not sure you can equate the median income of the state population with NIL cash takes 20 donors at 500K a year to compete and there are plenty of Alabama Alumni that give back to the school...if every Alabama Alumni currently in the NFL gave 50K each, they would have almost 3 million... yes, RU endowment is almost 2X Alabama so maybe donors give more to athletics than directly to school...
if the reports are true that he was interviewing coaches to fill the staff and retired the next day, there is more to the retirement story,..
anyway wish him well.
