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NJ high school coach suspended for winning by too much

Yeah, that's a big part of it. If he's got the scrubs in and they're still scoring, what's he supposed to do?
It was 84 - 20 after 3 quarters (up 64 points!) and Immaculate poured on 20 more points in the 4th. Being a top-level Parochial program their "scrubs" may be better than the public high school starters. In addition, there a number of things a coach can do to limit his team's scoring. Coach got what he deserved.
 
Being a top-level Parochial program their "scrubs" may be better than the public high school starters. In addition, there a number of things a coach can do to limit his team's scoring. Coach got what he deserved.

Maybe, maybe not. What are you gonna tell a kid who rarely gets in the game: Don't try to score?

Again, need to have more details before being able to judge the situation.
 
Maybe, maybe not. What are you gonna tell a kid who rarely gets in the game: Don't try to score?

Again, need to have more details before being able to judge the situation.
I coached U8 soccer last year, and we ran into this a few times. First, I spoke to my playeres, some of whom were 6, and basically said, "We've lost before. Think about how this team is feeling right now, down 6-0. Let's have good sportsmanship and not rub it in." Six year olds totally got that message. Then, because I wasn't sure how they'd react on the field, I told them they were only allowed to shoot with their off foot. I told them there had to be at least one pass before a shot. Most importantly, I went to the other coach and spoke to him to make sure he was ok.
 
I'm guessing his 2nd stringers are better than most teams 1st string

IC, which was fourth in the state in nj.com’s pre-season Top 20 rankings, has been a budding powerhouse for the past five years and current coach Jimmy Kreie, a former Bloomfield High School wrestler who is very active on the girls AAU hoops scene, has put together quite the talent-laden lineup with the Lions who seek to supersede other powerhouse programs such as 2022 Tournament of Champions winner St. John Vianney, Rutgers Prep and Morris Catholic in the quest to become the No. 1 team in the Garden State this 2022-2023 hoops campaign.

IC will once again play quite an ambitious slate this season outside of the SEC with independent games scheduled against the likes of Neumann Goretti of Pennsylvania at St. John Vianney in Holmdel, Riverdale Baptist of Maryland in Philadelphia; Etiwanda, Calif. at another showcase in St. James, Virginia, where it will also meet national power IMG Academy of Florida where its star of last season, 6-foot-4 junior center Tayla Thomas, transferred to and now plays for.

Thomas was the SEC Player of the Year last winter when she led IC (20-5) to its first Essex County Tournament championship since 1990 with a victory over University.
 
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Seems OK considering it's high school and a catholic school, although some kind of warning and apology would've been fine, too. These are kids. They don't have to get their butts kicked. On the other hand, I was on my high school bowling team senior year of high school and those leagues don't play with a handicap. We were the 2nd worst team in the league with averages in the 150s while the best teams had averages in the 210s and 220s. We got beaten like this basketball team almost every game and I didn't have an emotional crisis.
 
I coached U8 soccer last year, and we ran into this a few times. First, I spoke to my playeres, some of whom were 6, and basically said, "We've lost before. Think about how this team is feeling right now, down 6-0. Let's have good sportsmanship and not rub it in." Six year olds totally got that message. Then, because I wasn't sure how they'd react on the field, I told them they were only allowed to shoot with their off foot. I told them there had to be at least one pass before a shot. Most importantly, I went to the other coach and spoke to him to make sure he was ok.
Exactly how it should be done. Never too early to learn proper sportsmanship. My coach in youth soccer had the same rules once we established a big lead. But certain things change once we graduate to higher levels of athletics.

As stated earlier need more info on this one. It is very difficult to tell your seldom used 13th on bench not to shoot. I remember high school basketball. A religious school hounding our coach to schedule a scrimmage with their "5 year undefeated varsity basketball team." we show up see them in lay up lines. Coach immediately sent the varsity and JV home and sent the freshmen over to play their varsity. Some times a coach has to make decisions for the betterment of their team and the other. Know the competition level.
 
Would have been better to handle it internally quietly, unless there was a long history of this. Most people never knew about this game before this action and article, and the situation may be worse now. Je Suis Caldwell.
 
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Seems OK considering it's high school and a catholic school, although some kind of warning and apology would've been fine, too. These are kids. They don't have to get their butts kicked. On the other hand, I was on my high school bowling team senior year of high school and those leagues don't play with a handicap. We were the 2nd worst team in the league with averages in the 150s while the best teams had averages in the 210s and 220s. We got beaten like this basketball team almost every game and I didn't have an emotional crisis.
You had a bowling team?
 
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Reading the article it sounds like it may have stemmed from the coach not having the running clock rule put in place. A rule that the AD who suspended him said he wasn't even aware of. A little irony there.
I think it extends past not employing the running clock rule because the schools AD admitted just like the coach he didn't know about the rule. So he would have been suspended too.
 
If backups backups are in scoring is fair game. But being a coach on the winning side of this is hard to manage.

For those that do not know besides coaching lacrosse I am also a head field hockey coach. We have won back to back state titles, are nationally ranked, etc.

We played a game this fall, a required game, that we won 15-0. This is an incredibly high score, and I had the backups, backups, in. I caught a lot of flack for the game.

My 3rd stringers are good enough to run our systems, go to goal, and play hard, but they were not good enough to play keep away from the other team. It was in an odd situation of trying to decide if I should put the starters back in just to control the game, or to allow my freshmen opportunities to score in a varsity game.

I am always of the mindset of allow backups to play the game. I have gotten my teeth kicked in before, but some people get very upset for it.

Looking at the box score MI scored 59 in the first half and 45 in the second (20 was their lowest and in the 4th quarter).

They have a roster of 10 girls and played 9. 4 girls scored in double figured. 5 other girls scored 3 or more points. This looks like a case of MI clearing the bench, but not having much else to go to.

MI is 3-0 with scoring 57 in their other two games against good teams.

Caldwell is 0-1 and do not play for another week.
 
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Will IC try to take it out on East Orange with their coach sidelined?

Many years ago in a Babe Ruth league all star game our team lost 32-0 in a 4 inning game and we got no hit by the other team. I came in as a relief pitcher and gave up 16 runs in 1 1/3 innings. I remember it like it was yesterday. Ahh the memories!
 
Wait - I thought everyone flips out if OSU fakes a punt in a blowout?
So if the 2nd or 3rd string QB comes in and starts throwing the ball everyone is cool?

I figured everyone would say the coach should have his players just hold the ball and run out the clock. Even backups.
 
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You had a bowling team?
Bowling used to be huge in NJ high schools (especially in central NJ). I think it's still pretty big today. I know a lot of baseball players bowl in HS (mostly pitchers) since it's an easy winter sport.
 
Bowling used to be huge in NJ high schools (especially in central NJ). I think it's still pretty big today. I know a lot of baseball players bowl in HS (mostly pitchers) since it's an easy winter sport.
Knew a couple of guys from my high school that bowled. They bowled because the bartenders didn't card and they would get housed during practices. Not for any other reason.
 
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Wait - I thought everyone flips out if OSU fakes a punt in a blowout?
So if the 2nd or 3rd string QB comes in and starts throwing the ball everyone is cool?

I figured everyone would say the coach should have his players just hold the ball and run out the clock. Even backups.

You don't understand the difference between throwing a pass and a fake punt?
 
I remember in high school, playing girls, basketball, and Harrison high school was in our division. We lost one game 80 to 12. Coach was still pressing in the fourth quarter. May have been their second stringers, but you don’t press when you’re up 70. There was no shot clock back then, so they could’ve worked on passing and just running the play.
It didn’t scar me, but obviously all these years later I still remember it.
 
Here's a thought. Stop letting the Catholic schools compete against public schools. When Cathilic schools actively recruit from several towns/states and offer reduced/free education, how is a public school legitimately supposed to compete ? The playing field is so disproportionate, it's not even funny. The score of this game exemplifies the disparity.
 
Bowling used to be huge in NJ high schools (especially in central NJ). I think it's still pretty big today. I know a lot of baseball players bowl in HS (mostly pitchers) since it's an easy winter sport.
Sport is being used very generously here. One benefit of growing up in the south is the ability to play outdoor sports year round.
 
Wait - I thought everyone flips out if OSU fakes a punt in a blowout?
So if the 2nd or 3rd string QB comes in and starts throwing the ball everyone is cool?

I figured everyone would say the coach should have his players just hold the ball and run out the clock. Even backups.
I think everyone is saying if you call runs up the middle with your backups and score. That’s cool. If you are running reverse, not cool. The OSU thing was only a thing because of the fight after the play.
 
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Sport is being used very generously here. One benefit of growing up in the south is the ability to play outdoor sports year round.
Yea anything where drinking and smoking are encouraged while participating cannot be considered a sport. Was my argument when the teachers voted a bowler athlete of the year my freshmen year.
 
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It looks like they used 9 players, but the #4 team in the state 6-9 is probably not so different than 1-5. The issue to me would be if they were still pressing, stealing and fast breaking in the later part of the game.
 
I coached U8 soccer last year, and we ran into this a few times. First, I spoke to my playeres, some of whom were 6, and basically said, "We've lost before. Think about how this team is feeling right now, down 6-0. Let's have good sportsmanship and not rub it in." Six year olds totally got that message. Then, because I wasn't sure how they'd react on the field, I told them they were only allowed to shoot with their off foot. I told them there had to be at least one pass before a shot. Most importantly, I went to the other coach and spoke to him to make sure he was ok.
Had a similar situation with my son‘s flag team (K-2). Apparently, just like us, this town had an A,B and C team. We split the 3 teams evenly on age and talent. Looks like they didn’t. Dumb move on many levels. It was a sh!tshow from the start. So, instead of alternating between our 1st and 2nd QB, we just kept the first year player in. Our starting backfield only touched the ball once. And every other kid touched the ball, even all our tiny first year Ks. Plus, in the 2nd half I just ran the same play every time, and, I TOLD the opposing coach so he could get his kids ready. They did make some plays, but we still kept scoring. And the talking with the coaches didn’t matter either, they were all still pissed. I did feel bad, but other than just taking my kids off the field or taking a knee, not sure what else I could do. Hindsight, I would have just pressed to end it early.
 
Wait - I thought everyone flips out if OSU fakes a punt in a blowout?
So if the 2nd or 3rd string QB comes in and starts throwing the ball everyone is cool?

I figured everyone would say the coach should have his players just hold the ball and run out the clock. Even backups.

Think we established that the play call wasn’t for a fake… punter just did what he was trained to do.

Still a big difference for a parochial powerhouse to beat up on a public like that.
 
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Seems OK considering it's high school and a catholic school, although some kind of warning and apology would've been fine, too. These are kids. They don't have to get their butts kicked. On the other hand, I was on my high school bowling team senior year of high school and those leagues don't play with a handicap. We were the 2nd worst team in the league with averages in the 150s while the best teams had averages in the 210s and 220s. We got beaten like this basketball team almost every game and I didn't have an emotional crisis.
I seem to recall RU FB getting an 80 -0 pounding n this century . You play the game ,what happens,happens.Suck it up and don't play out of your class.Also you can try to have better coaching and more talent.
 
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I seem to recall RU FB getting an 80 -0 pounding n this century . You play the game ,what happens,happens.Suck it up and don't play out of your class.Also you can try to have better coaching and more talent.
I recall some games when Texas was in the SWC and Oklahoma in the Big 8 those programs putting bad beat-downs of bottom feeders in their conferences.
Taking the points ( sometimes around 50) and the underdog didn't mean a win, more often you lost taking the points.

Like you,
I felt then as I do now: play the game and don't whine about the result..
 
I seem to recall RU FB getting an 80 -0 pounding n this century . You play the game ,what happens,happens.Suck it up and don't play out of your class.Also you can try to have better coaching and more talent.

Agreed - if you’re at the same level. But I don’t know that I took any pleasure in that Wagner punter getting annihilated by our guys and was happy when we stopped with the punt block. Same here - parochial are basically D1 minor leagues while publics are kids who largely won’t play beyond their senior year of high school.
 
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As far as why these teams played, it was actually a Super Essex Conference divisional game.

The league bases its divisions each year by strength of program, but there are two things going on here: 1-The gap between teams, even the league’s top division (where these teams play) is huge. 2-Making it even worse, Caldwell was bumped up from the No. 2 division to the top division after winning the second division last year. But…… since then, their top returning player, who got a soccer scholarship to Purdue, elected to sit out basketball this year. So, they moved up a division AND took a big talent hit.

As for the game itself, not sure how the fourth quarter played out. Immaculate isn’t a team with a ton of girls waiting for a chance to a play. They have a small to mid-size roster and that’s the extent of it. The coach has a reputation of being an AAU guy with his AAU players on the HS roster, so he’s not well liked by the competition. But how this game played out in third and fourth quarters, I have no idea.
 
As far as why these teams played, it was actually a Super Essex Conference divisional game.

The league bases its divisions each year by strength of program, but there are two things going on here: 1-The gap between teams, even the league’s top division (where these teams play) is huge. 2-Making it even worse, Caldwell was bumped up from the No. 2 division to the top division after winning the second division last year. But…… since then, their top returning player, who got a soccer scholarship to Purdue, elected to sit out basketball this year. So, they moved up a division AND took a big talent hit.

As for the game itself, not sure how the fourth quarter played out. Immaculate isn’t a team with a ton of girls waiting for a chance to a play. They have a small to mid-size roster and that’s the extent of it. The coach has a reputation of being an AAU guy with his AAU players on the HS roster, so he’s not well liked by the competition. But how this game played out in third and fourth quarters, I have no idea.
4th quarter was 20 points scored. They played every girl on their listed roster.
 
For those that do not know besides coaching lacrosse I am also a head field hockey coach. We have won back to back state titles, are nationally ranked, etc.

We played a game this fall, a required game, that we won 15-0. This is an incredibly high score, and I had the backups, backups, in. I caught a lot of flack for the game.

My 3rd stringers are good enough to run our systems, go to goal, and play hard, but they were not good enough to play keep away from the other team. It was in an odd situation of trying to decide if I should put the starters back in just to control the game, or to allow my freshmen opportunities to score in a varsity game.

I am always of the mindset of allow backups to play the game. I have gotten my teeth kicked in before, but some people get very upset for it.

Looking at the box score MI scored 59 in the first half and 45 in the second (20 was their lowest and in the 4th quarter).

They have a roster of 10 girls and played 9. 4 girls scored in double figured. 5 other girls scored 3 or more points. This looks like a case of MI clearing the bench, but not having much else to go to.

MI is 3-0 with scoring 57 in their other two games against good teams.

Caldwell is 0-1 and do not play for another week.
In HS, I played for a powerhouse lacrosse program (we won 47 straight over 3 seasons). Most of the games were lopsided. At the time, the league was relatively new and our squad had been playing travel ball together since we were 8, we were going up against some schools with 1st and second year players starting just to have numbers on the field.

Our coach implemented what we called ‘the 19 goal rule’. We were not aloud to take a shot once we hit 19 goals. We would work it around the horn and practice defending our clears. Those were the days man…
 
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4th quarter was 20 points scored. They played every girl on their listed roster.
Does it show how many free throws they took in the fourth? That’s a Legitimate question as well, if they were in the bonus and the other team kept fouling are they not supposed to take the free throws?
 
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