NJ HS QB dies Friday after football injury
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Horrible sadness.
And outrage that the officials and coaches finished the game after a serious injury.
And outrage that the officials and coaches finished the game after a serious injury.
I don't think he died immediately on the field, did he? I can't find that anywhere.
absolutely agree that this is tragic beyond all comprehension
but , there are virtually no details in the 'news' reports -- (there is one statement on a 'Go Fund Me' page set up to aid his family that says he 'took a hit that sent him to the hospital immediately' )
- if he was taken from the field in an ambulance and transported to the hospital ... how would the officials and coaches have had any ability to distinguish this genuine serious injury from other apparently serious injuries that leave the field and turn out to be mild / moderate / serious but recoverable?
Absent any genuine details it is hard to jump to "outrage"
What precaution was needed at that point? If there was no indication that he had died I don't see anything wrong with continuing the game
more details in this article -
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/war...n_concern_and_disbelie.html#incart_river_home
statement from a a person who was there -
Murray walked off the field under his own power after taking a hit in the backfield.
Right around halftime, something happened on the sideline, she said. Murray fell to the ground. The crowd hushed.
"He was laying on the ground and everyone was looking at him. He did get back up. He stood up with help and sat on a gurney."
He was then taken to an ambulance, she said.
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/war...n_concern_and_disbelie.html#incart_river_home
statement from a a person who was there -
Murray walked off the field under his own power after taking a hit in the backfield.
Right around halftime, something happened on the sideline, she said. Murray fell to the ground. The crowd hushed.
"He was laying on the ground and everyone was looking at him. He did get back up. He stood up with help and sat on a gurney."
He was then taken to an ambulance, she said.
Let's see what the official story is, but that really sounds like a pre-existing heart condition.
Why are they letting kids play a sport that results in so many deaths every year.
Football is not a safe sport. You can't make it safe. The only way to make it safe it to remove tackling.
There should be a formal announcement before the start of a game that you are about to watch a sport that can result in serious injury and even death. If you can't handle this, please leave now.
Let's not use the word safe with football. Certain parts of the body can't be protected such as head, neck and knees.
Football is not a safe sport. You can't make it safe. The only way to make it safe it to remove tackling.
There should be a formal announcement before the start of a game that you are about to watch a sport that can result in serious injury and even death. If you can't handle this, please leave now.
Let's not use the word safe with football. Certain parts of the body can't be protected such as head, neck and knees.
Why are you in a football board if you think football should be banned?
More people have serious injuries cheerleading than football.. But that is not your agenda here.
This is correct. AD from a local Somerset County High school told me today that it was a ruptured spleen and heavy internal bleeding.
I am at a loss for this child. Having three children, 2 boys, I truly feel for this family.
But anyone who wants to ban football must also demand ban on teen drivers and demand any risk a person takes the moment they get out of bed be eliminated.
I am so sorry for this family's loss. Totally devastating.
But anyone who wants to ban football must also demand ban on teen drivers and demand any risk a person takes the moment they get out of bed be eliminated.
I am so sorry for this family's loss. Totally devastating.
Calm down ladies - 1,088,158 guys play high school football a year. The yearly death average is 12 and that includes college.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...ball-players-die-year-study-article-1.1309671
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...ball-players-die-year-study-article-1.1309671
NY Times
Despite Concussions, Boxing Is Still Required for Military Cadets
Despite Concussions, Boxing Is Still Required for Military Cadets
"Boxing accounts for nearly one out of every five concussions at West Point, and one out of four at the Air Force Academy. So far this school year, boxing has caused a quarter of all concussions at the Naval Academy — more than twice as many as football."
This is soccer players who have died during a game
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing
Loved lawn darts. Played all time down the grandparents farm.
Note - not defending FB - pretty sure demographics and political pressure will determine its fate, not the veracity of statistics/arguments.
BUT, what's the deal with table tennis - the real silent killer (link).
Football will not banned at any level in the USA as long as Roger Goodell is running the NFL.His league must have its own way,regardless of the popular will.He almost singlehandedly stopped a sovereign state from enacting one of its laws.Don't put anything past this guy.
NY Times
As Worries Rise and Players Flee, a Missouri School Board Cuts Football
As Worries Rise and Players Flee, a Missouri School Board Cuts Football
"Ridgefield Memorial High School in New Jersey scrapped its varsity football program this season because only 13 students tried out."
I missed that.
It was, in fact, a lacerated (not ruptured) spleen that led to the internal bleeding that killed this young man.
Per the autopsy, he had a congenitally enlarged spleen to begin with, making it more susceptible to injury.
Still, I would fully expect a lawsuit to be filed against the hospital. It would appear that they failed to triage the patient as an emergent internal bleed.
Per the autopsy, he had a congenitally enlarged spleen to begin with, making it more susceptible to injury.
Still, I would fully expect a lawsuit to be filed against the hospital. It would appear that they failed to triage the patient as an emergent internal bleed.
It is really hard to say what "appears" to be the case - we have no idea how they managed his care - or if in fact there was any 'managing' that was possible to be done once he arrived at the hospital.
- you have to remember that he was transported from Warren Hills High School to Morristown Medical Center - a 41+ mile trip that with no traffic is about 45 minutes & if you add in load & unload and other patient care cautionary steps - it was likely well over an hour from the time he walked off the field to his arrival at Morristown .
One could ask why didn't they go to one of the closer hospitals - likely it was a situation where - in the ambulance - they had no way of knowing exactly what the critical issue was.... heart? head trauma? internal trauma? - so they headed to the designated Trauma center.
Since reports indicate that "The autopsy determined that the cause of death was massive intra-abdominal hemorrhage (massive internal bleeding) due to a laceration of the spleen," it may well be that he bled out in the ambulance - or that the amount of "massive internal bleeding" that occurred while in transit was simply too much & then there were no viable interventions available.
I didn't know the ride they gave him was that long. Under the circumstances, that's insane. My educated assumption is that if he was bleeding during transport then repeated assessment (vitals every 5 minutes) would reveal a drop in BP. I don't know if he had ALS during transport (I'm assuming not, since no ALS crew would submit to a 40 mile transport) but even a reasonably well-trained BLS crew would note the signs of an internal bleed and make the appropriate transport decisions.
Frankly, initial presentation (LOC prior to arrival following blunt injury) combined with a 40 mile transport decision absolutely screams "fly". I'd be interested in knowing why that decision wasn't made.
They have to do this every couple years, most recently 2011. They field a JV team instead of putting the freshman on varsity
this latest conversation here reminds me a bit of the Ben Wilson story in Chicago years back----protocol of the time was you had to go to the closest hospital. That closest spot was not equipped to handle the injuries and the patient died when they could have gone elsewhere and given him a better chance.
How much does location play into it?
How long to get a bird in the air to get to Warren Hills HS?
At that point, as you're on the field, do you make the decision to drive him there rather than waiting for the helo?
Generally speaking, from the initial call for a medevac to bird at the LZ is 15 minutes or less, anywhere in the state.
It's possible that they could have inquired and been informed that there were no medvacs available, but I 99% doubt that since they would have, at that point, transported by ground to the closest facility. The fact that they decided to go on an hour-long cross-country jaunt tells me that this was a straight-up BLS transport with no other input or consideration.
Is it possible that they assessed the patient on scene, decided that he wasn't in any immediate danger and then did the whole, "Well, the parents say their doctor is in Morristown and they want us to take him there, so... um..."
Sure. That worthless shit happens all the time.
But as I said, internal bleed is internal bleed. He didn't start bleeding in the ED. So if the treating EMT was doing periodic vitals during transport, as is protocol, they would have quickly discovered what is best described as a decompensating patient. At that point you get on the radio and call for ALS to meet you line-of-sight en route to the closest hospital so that they can start an IV for volume.
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