I have to admit I find it hard these days to root for PSU even though as our conference brethren I am supposed to be rooting for them. I think it is Franklin but not sure I felt differently when BOB was there as well. I respected them under Paterno for their on the field accomplishments. Regarding today, I know they had an interim OC but I thought many of their play calls on certain down and distances were strange.
NJ Penn St Recruits - are you watching?
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Wow, I thought the one thing that would unite all RU fans is an absolute hatred for PSU. Can't root for them. Ever.
Well the Nits did lose to the better B1G schools better than RU did in most cases and won enough
against the lesser opponents to make it to a bowl game.
So I won't say they didn't deserve to go bowling, just that their fans have nothing to brag about.
Unless it's beating a 4-8 Rutgers team and the 3-9 Maryland one that also beat RU.
Hopefully with a better coaching staff and better recruiting from it, RU will show it is a force to be reckoned with and a major player in the B1G.
Every year Penn St is supposed to be a top B1G program, but under Franklin prove to be kiddie table material.
Can't brag about RU being better than that, but hope ASH proves it with his coaching and the recruits him and his staff bring in.
Franklin has shown he can recruit , but proved he can coach those recruits good enough to use their talent and make PSU a good football team.
against the lesser opponents to make it to a bowl game.
So I won't say they didn't deserve to go bowling, just that their fans have nothing to brag about.
Unless it's beating a 4-8 Rutgers team and the 3-9 Maryland one that also beat RU.
Hopefully with a better coaching staff and better recruiting from it, RU will show it is a force to be reckoned with and a major player in the B1G.
Every year Penn St is supposed to be a top B1G program, but under Franklin prove to be kiddie table material.
Can't brag about RU being better than that, but hope ASH proves it with his coaching and the recruits him and his staff bring in.
Franklin has shown he can recruit , but proved he can coach those recruits good enough to use their talent and make PSU a good football team.
Dumb thread. Hey NJ recruits. Did you notice? Penn St. was in a major bowl vs. a SEC team.
Not a dumb thread. PSU clearly has had the better classes the last couple of years and those kids have not developed. It also brings up my holiday experiences. I am good friends and have family that are/were big PSU boosters. We have hosted them and vice versa at the last two games. They are completely dismissive of us. F them! They remind me of Syracuse/BC 15 years ago.
The problem with this thread is that it shouldn't be about just NJ recruits but about NE recruits. They should all take notice now that we are in the BIG and have a legitimate coach who can develop them to the next level rather than a coach who was about to be fired 4 games into this season.
The problem with this thread is that it shouldn't be about just NJ recruits but about NE recruits. They should all take notice now that we are in the BIG and have a legitimate coach who can develop them to the next level rather than a coach who was about to be fired 4 games into this season.
Exactly, fired for good reason.
The OP is mocking Penn State for playing in a Bowl Game. ( and lost to UGA by 7 points).
And we are sitting at home. Brilliant.
Clowns like Cali phony will always embarrass themselves .
Actually Georgia's momemtum stoped when they were ahead 17-3 and started playing not to lose rather than keep the pressure up.
Game should have had a larger margin, but Georgia let the Nits back in the game and would have lost to a better coached team.But can't knock the Nits for going bowling, they did win 7 games .
Easy schedule or not, 7 wins gets you bowling > 4-8 keeps you home:chairshot:
Little heat in crappy valley? Have seen a lot of "maybe Franklin really ain't that good" messages recently.........
glow is certainly off that dome.........
glow is certainly off that dome.........
Cali- I get your point but the problem is that it is difficult to then point toward ourselves, only because of the year we had. I think we all see that we are now pointed in a very good direction but the OP would have been much better served if we had a 7-8 win season.
That said, the OP is also correct because PSU was supposed to win 7 games with their eyes shut this year. They have had a superstar QB just fade into some glorious plays and drives but a train wreck otherwise. The last couple of years, they have had a defense comparable to our 2012 defense, the above mentioned QB and many other things that would have had Rutgers fans calling for us to be at the Rose Bowl.
The QB is running away from this head coach as fast as he can. A number of "big gets" have become invisible and Franklin has shown no abaility to coach. His only asset seems to be talking the young players into joining him on his mediocre ride.
That said, the OP is also correct because PSU was supposed to win 7 games with their eyes shut this year. They have had a superstar QB just fade into some glorious plays and drives but a train wreck otherwise. The last couple of years, they have had a defense comparable to our 2012 defense, the above mentioned QB and many other things that would have had Rutgers fans calling for us to be at the Rose Bowl.
The QB is running away from this head coach as fast as he can. A number of "big gets" have become invisible and Franklin has shown no abaility to coach. His only asset seems to be talking the young players into joining him on his mediocre ride.
I would pay close attention to that coaching staff over the next few weeks. There's been lots of chatter that novody is happy under the Franklin regime (coaches, current players, former players, etc.).
If there was anything to mock the OP about here, it is the fact that PSU only has two NJ commits thus far, and one didn't have an RU offer when he committed. This year, Michigan and Pitt have been much bigger threats to the recruits that RU has been targeting than PSU.
I don't care how bad RU is, it is always fun to watch PSU lose, and can't fault the OP for applauding PSU's 4th straight loss. The fact that they came back in the game and gave their faithful some false hope only to disappoint at the end even makes it sweeter.
Franklin is expensive Flood with good recruiting. He has a 7 win ceiling and his best win was either us in 2014 or Indiana this year.
They are not on the level of Michigan or Ohio State, never were and never will be.
If Ash or Durkin prove to be good HCs, Franklin will be done and that program will be set back even further.
They are not on the level of Michigan or Ohio State, never were and never will be.
If Ash or Durkin prove to be good HCs, Franklin will be done and that program will be set back even further.
The thing is, I never mentioned Rutgers. It was a Penn St. specific post. But as I said after it was brought up, if you want to throw Rutgers into the equation, our coach is unknown. Franklin isn't.
He just got out coached by a hologram
No matter how bad Rutgers plays on the field
we fans do not have the stink of pedophilia.
You will forever have that stain. Be proud, scumbag.
I disagree that he has a seven win ceiling. I don't think he will lead PSU to a T10 finish unless he hands over the offense to his OC but I don't think 8-10 wins is out of the question.
I agree with point #2 except for the fact that PSU has more championships in my lifetime than Michigan does.
I'm not quite sure why you would think PSU would be set back if Franklin were to get fired after next year (as an example). The cupboard will be full for whoever comes in afterwards and Penn State is most likely still a T20 job in CFB.
Hey kjb, tough year for your boy Hodges. He has gone from a starter on a playoff bound team, the Vikings, to a bench warmer on one of the worst teams in the league, the 49ers (yes, I know that he's been playing the last couple of games due to Wilhoite's injury). I guess the Vikings didn't quite think as highly of him as you do? LOL.
kjb said :> "I'm not quite sure why you would think PSU would be set back if Franklin were to get fired after next year (as an example)."<
I don't think the Nits would be set back at all, just the opposite in my opinion.
If Penn St brought in someone who was a good gameday coach to replace Franklin, with the recruits Franklin brought in , PSU would be a real good team.
O'Brien held the program together and kept it from becoming a disaster, Franklin brought in the players that could make PSU a top program.
Now all that is needed is a HC that can properly use and develop the talent PSU has on their roster, which Franklin has failed to do.
As for the Nits' recruiting: Franklin's recruiting ability was needed badly with the sanctions in place, but without those sanctions hindering recruiting a winning PSU program will easily replace Franklin's efforts if his replacement has any personality at all.
Penn St's name is enough to get the Nits into the game with most of the top talent they target.
Hopefully Ash will make Rutgers one of the programs that top recruits seriously consider because they feel it's a winner.
I don't think the Nits would be set back at all, just the opposite in my opinion.
If Penn St brought in someone who was a good gameday coach to replace Franklin, with the recruits Franklin brought in , PSU would be a real good team.
O'Brien held the program together and kept it from becoming a disaster, Franklin brought in the players that could make PSU a top program.
Now all that is needed is a HC that can properly use and develop the talent PSU has on their roster, which Franklin has failed to do.
As for the Nits' recruiting: Franklin's recruiting ability was needed badly with the sanctions in place, but without those sanctions hindering recruiting a winning PSU program will easily replace Franklin's efforts if his replacement has any personality at all.
Penn St's name is enough to get the Nits into the game with most of the top talent they target.
Hopefully Ash will make Rutgers one of the programs that top recruits seriously consider because they feel it's a winner.
I've had that picture as my sig way longer than I've been posting on here. Your post seems like sour grapes to me.
GS- strange post in your part.
Cali- I understand you didn't mention Rutgers but you know that is how it would be taken. I agree though- 7 wins and the SS QB running as fast as he can...bad sign over there.
We crushed you 28-3 and went a bowl game, while you sat at home, hopefully they were watching.
I think you guys are starting every season with tOSU, Michigan and MSU as loss (barring something unforeseen on their end- and so are we and most everyone else these days)...and I think you are good for a good screwup among the crossovers and if RU and UMD get their act together- probably at least one will.
Michigan hired a successful NFL and college HC. They have the most wins all time in CFB. Having been to their campus and yours, theirs is nicer and their academics are better and they are not as isolated- they are an easier sell.
Your OL needs serious rebuilding, you are questionable at QB...we have been there and that is not a one year fix, and say, if Franklin is fired after another 6-7 win season, that will set the tone for a new coach that will keep a lot of talent away. O'Brien was clearly unhappy when he left. I do think the expectations are not in line with current realities. I think you guys are going to go look like the Miami of the last 10 years for some time.
In terms of your first point, I think we will have the talent to compete with the three you mentioned as early as 2017. I know I am the only person who thinks this but I'm not in the camp that MSU is going to continue their success. For whatever reason, we almost always play OSU tough at home so we shall see. I think it all depends on how well these highly talented kids we are bringing in get coached up.
Agree about Harbaugh and the wins. That doesn't change the fact of the championships I mentioned. Their academics are better. Their campus? I think that is a matter of preference as PSU has a beautiful campus. They definitely are not as isolated but let's face it. College kids aren't taking too many roadies to a major city nearby. There is plenty of things to do on campus at universities the size of all those in the B1G.
I think our OL will be improved next year. Shoot, it was improved this year and with no highly rated kids in their second or third year. Mahon is on the right track. We'll have to see about Palmer. He's fine in the run game...actually fairly good. There is one very weak link and it could be that he is replaced next year by Bates or Gonzalez, who have gotten good reviews. I'm not saying our OL will be all-world but we don't need them to be. We just need them to be average. I'm actually more worried about the DL next year.
I think you couldn't be more wrong about Franklin and O'Brien. O'Brien left because he wanted to be an NFL coach. I have no idea why he fired Vandy but I could argue he was the best LB coach in CFB at the time so O'Brien should have expected that fans wouldn't be happy with that. O'Brien being pushed out of state college because of fans is b.s. IMO. The problem with O'Brien is that he doesn't want to have to deal with any of the glad handing in CFB but that's the job. That's not a PSU issue, that's a CFB issue. In regards to Franklin, if he were fired they would simply go out and attract another coach. Really not that different than what the NDs and Michigans of the world have done. Not saying we are in the same category as them but we aren't Purdue either. We'll pay the money and commit the resources and get someone good. The problem at Penn State is not going to be getting talented players, it is going to be whether or not the coach has the ability to actually coach. If you think otherwise, I completely disagree.
your NFL-caliber 1st round QB hated your coach, and you're stuck with him at least another year. Everything does not sound as it should be over there in LaLa Land
And found out PSU isn't the power it once was.
Penn St's name and Franklin's gift of gab will have them interested in becoming Nits, but you better hope that how Franklin's coaching keeps the program down isn't noticed by the recruits PSU needs just to stay an average program because Franklin doesn't know how to coach the talent on his roster and make the Nittany Lions the power it was years go.
This season was a bad one for RU, no getting around that.
But a change in leadership and the way recruiting will be , might just improve RU enough that a desperate fan of another school won't be able to use RU as an example during a whine about how the Nit's season went .
When a fan of a 6 loss school brags about beating a 8 loss school and talks like going bowling was a major accomplishment , despite the easy schedule his school played, you know that fan's desperate to show his school looked good to recruits.
This is really what it boils down to and it's not unique to Penn State. PSU will always get players. The one thing I'm curious to see however is the type of defensive players this new regime has brought in. Not from a physical talent standpoint per se, but from a toughness/football IQ standpoint. Say what you want about the Paterno regime's recruiting getting stale towards the end, but they always, ALWAYS had an eye for defensive talent and were able to develop players out the ying yang. Tough, hard-nosed and very coachable were traits of most of their good players. I know BOB and Franklin have pulled in some highly rated defensive prospects but let's see how they pan out. I'm not saying they will or they won't, just that you can't deny that losing the last of the "old guard" in the past two seasons to graduation (Hull, Zettel, Nassib) leads to a new era of PSU defensive personnel. As for offense, I think PSU will be better next year but still not entirely scary. But other than OSU no one's offense in the B1G is really scary. Will be interesting to see how they attack replacing 3/4 of their starting (veteran) DL in 2016.
This is a really good post by you. Poz and Lee were both kind of under the radar 3* kids. I think we are seeing the same with Bell and Wartman, but not to the same level of the guys I mentioned prior. Those kids were special.
Our DL is going to be very, very young and the depth is going to have to be provided by kids who will be RS FR. To boot, at least two of them will be DE converts who were most likely moved partly out of necessity. Not landing Christian Wilkins will be very, very noticeable next year IMO.
kjb, O'Brien specifically mentioned the "Paterno people"...I don't think there is anywhere in America where you currently have a legacy in "dispute" like you guys have where some people will just not move on. That is actually quite different from ND and Michigan that went through a period of frequent coaching change. I think HCs are going to look at that and really examine. Yeah they may say Franklin just sucked, but I think a lot of coaches will think twice about a 7 win type coach being run out of town, and that would go for most places.
I'm not overly concerned about a major drop off next year on the DL. i think Spencer coaches them up pretty well and they've had significant playing time these past two years because of how much they rotate the guys.
