No, the Big Ten isn’t going to kick Rutgers to the curb (we think) | Politi

[rutgersguy1]

If so it's not by much. Only one team that's not blue chip managed to get to the playoffs in a decade. And the fact that they didn't do well won't put momentum behind the idea of more such invites. The sport is just very fossilized.

Cincy is one and TCU is another. I don’t consider them blue chip. They were out in the wilderness for quite awhile after the SWC vanished. They almost made it twice and missed by a hair.

BCS bowl access was the first step which teams like that never had before and now playoff access and expansion is another step. Not just for G5s but also for lower status P5 schools as well. I’ve listed in the past teams that would have made a 12 team playoff since the CFPs inception. If it’s contending for a playoff spot and just falling short the list is a little longer. That helps keep more of the season interesting too. It all makes for a stronger sport.

It’s never going to be equal (parity) or perfect but it’s much better than it has been.

 

[brgRC90]

Cincy is one and TCU is another. I don’t consider them blue chip. They were out in the wilderness for quite awhile after the SWC vanished. They almost made it twice and missed by a hair.

BCS bowl access was the first step which teams like that never had before and now playoff access and expansion is another step. Not just for G5s but also for lower status P5 schools as well. I’ve listed in the past teams that would have made a 12 team playoff since the CFPs inception. If it’s contending for a playoff spot and just falling short the list is a little longer. That helps keep more of the season interesting too. It all makes for a stronger sport.

It’s never going to be equal (parity) or perfect but it’s much better than it has been.

TCU was the one exception I mentioned. Cincinnati on the other hand hasn't gotten very far, and they're getting into a P5 conference now that it's become a second rate conference. That's not terribly impressive.

 

[rutgersguy1]

TCU was the one exception I mentioned. Cincinnati on the other hand hasn't gotten very far, and they're getting into a P5 conference now that it's become a second rate conference. That's not terribly impressive.

That’s less to do with Cincy’s performance and more to do with Cincy as a school. The fact that Cincy could work their way up to A5 status is plenty. Same for UCF, Utah and others. They’re in a better position currently than the leftovers in the PAC.

There is only so much you can expect from certain schools. Some have reached their potential and gone as far as realistically (probably more than realistic if you viewed them through a prism from 20-30 years ago) one could have imagined.

 

[vic_torre42]

I don’t think Steve has too many credible sources. Just my humble opinion.

 

[RUScrew85]

Dumb premise, in essences the two budding super conferences already exist, the Big and SEC. Why would the Big want to give up their east coast/NYC exposure. Quick answer they wouldn't.
But then IF you are looking at one future super conference (combo Big/ SEC then the Big options would be OSU, Michigan, PSU, USC, Oregon possibly Wisco, UCLA. The rest of the league joins the the bottom half of the SEC, you now have A& B leagues.
Maybe FSU and Clemson from the ACC. In the A group. The Big 12 and ACC leftovers kind of fits with in the "B" group. The reasoning is The A group commands bigger media dollars. The A group schools leave the NCAA and have their own governance structure. Then the whole thing implodes and the Pheonix arises from the ashes
Ha

The "Big"?

 

[RUScrew85]

That’s less to do with Cincy’s performance and more to do with Cincy as a school. The fact that Cincy could work their way up to A5 status is plenty. Same for UCF, Utah and others. They’re in a better position currently than the leftovers in the PAC.

There is only so much you can expect from certain schools. Some have reached their potential and gone as far as realistically (probably more than realistic if you viewed them through a prism from 20-30 years ago) one could have imagined.

Let me introduce you to Rutgers.

 

[jakeknight]

The Big is more than a sports conference, much more. Other than Northwestern the members are all strong prestigious research oriented state universities. Throughout the expansion process the Big has kept pretty true to that identity, last go round, Rutgers/Maryland. This time UCLA, Washington, Oregon. USC is private but with a well respected academic profile. There are literally millions of Big alumni around the country, and while some of the original institutions fans bitch about some of the newcomers, it is nothing more than the uninformed mouthing off. As a conference the Big is institutionally pretty homogeneous. And now after the last two expansions the footprint is national and unique. Looking beyond sports there is no other conference that offers what the Big has why would anybody want to change the model? If you answer money, how much more can you get and at what cost.

 

[RUforlife]

The Big is more than a sports conference, much more. Other than Northwestern the members are all strong prestigious research oriented state universities. Throughout the expansion process the Big has kept pretty true to that identity, last go round, Rutgers/Maryland. This time UCLA, Washington, Oregon. USC is private but with a well respected academic profile. There are literally millions of Big alumni around the country, and while some of the original institutions fans bitch about some of the newcomers, it is nothing more than the uninformed mouthing off. As a conference the Big is institutionally pretty homogeneous. And now after the last two expansions the footprint is national and unique. Looking beyond sports there is no other conference that offers what the Big has why would anybody want to change the model? If you answer money, how much more can you get and at what cost.

The national B1G model has yet to be a proven successful. You do realize USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon don't join the conference until 2024? How will it work with the Olympic sports and how do the student athletes react to having to fly across the country to play a woman's field hockey conference match is yet to be determined.

 

[jakeknight]

The national model was already in the works and successful when the Big came east and added Rutgers and Maryland (just look at the Bigs media rights deal). Prior to the west coast additions the Big was already geographically Nebraska to Nj. Not sure there is a point here regarding the 2024 date other than providing a year to figure out the scheduling for the Olympic sports, which will certainly be challenging and interesting. I would rather be planning from a position of strength than reacting to what other conferences do.
One of the most important points as said above is the identity of the conference members and their similarity of purpose as educational institutions