Notable quote from Ohio WR recruit Kory Taylor

[drewbagel423]

Article is from TOS, so I won't post the link, but:

"I like how their offense runs. I feel like I can really fit in their offense pretty well," Taylor writes. "With my height and my speed, I feel like I could really stretch the field for an offense like that."

I know folks on here have said it before, but this time it's straight from a recruit's mouth. Even though our QB situation sucks, Ash & DM are sticking with the offensive philosophy to be able to show kids how they'll be used if they come here. This allows them to see past the scoreboard/record (something I have trouble doing) and look at the future potential.

 

[brgRC90]

I assume, maybe incorrectly to be sure, that the coaches know how it all works better than a vast majority of fans.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Pin-and-LOCK for all the posters who THINK they know better, than Ash, re: what system to be running on O at this time. The recruits GET IT and that's all that matters right now.

 

[KingHigh]

This knock against DM that he does not make adjustments I have taken as being totally unfounded. He should be more concerned with installing the system he wants to run and giving the players reps vs disintegrating his Philosophy for the sake of losing by 40 points instead of 60.

I would rather see the team get those reps now and make gains for when the team is ready to win games. There is no more honor in losing by 30 then there is losing by 60.

 

[mdk01]

This knock against DM that he does not make adjustments I have taken as being totally unfounded. He should be more concerned with installing the system he wants to run and giving the players reps vs disintegrating his Philosophy for the sake of losing by 40 points instead of 60.

I would rather see the team get those reps now and make gains for when the team is ready to win games. There is no more honor in losing by 30 then there is losing by 60.

Are those players you refer to physically ready for the pounding they will take against the #2 or #4 team in the country? Sometimes it takes a year or two at college to be physically ready.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

This knock against DM that he does not make adjustments I have taken as being totally unfounded. He should be more concerned with installing the system he wants to run and giving the players reps vs disintegrating his Philosophy for the sake of losing by 40 points instead of 60.

I would rather see the team get those reps now and make gains for when the team is ready to win games. There is no more honor in losing by 30 then there is losing by 60.

I get what you're saying, but Iowa (and possibly Illinois) was a winnable game. Failure to make adjustments can also be the difference in winning and losing.

 

[n1tlion]

Article is from TOS, so I won't post the link, but:



I know folks on here have said it before, but this time it's straight from a recruit's mouth. Even though our QB situation sucks, Ash & DM are sticking with the offensive philosophy to be able to show kids how they'll be used if they come here. This allows them to see past the scoreboard/record (something I have trouble doing) and look at the future potential.

Take it from a PSU homer who knows how much wasted skill position talent you can have by lagging offensive line recruiting...doesn't matter how good your receivers are if the QB doesn't have time to locate the open receiver and they can't open up the passing game by opening holes for the run game...

Do you think Patton and Agudosi don't think they would benefit from a spread offense? Hasn't translated into much success for them
As of yet...Ash needs to focus on the lines before he'll be able to sell a prolific offense.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I get what you're saying, but Iowa (and possibly Illinois) was a winnable game. Failure to make adjustments can also be the difference in winning and losing.

So can failure to execute, as we saw in that game:

Laviano to Harris, wide-open for a long TD, overthrown - 7 pts
Laviano to Harris in end zone (IIRC, or heading in...) for a TD, overthrown - 7 pts
Laviano keeping instead of pitching, 4th and 1 for the TD - 7 pts

...that's 21 points lost due to execution, not play calling, so let's be fair.

 

[RobotHunter]

Article is from TOS, so I won't post the link, but:



I know folks on here have said it before, but this time it's straight from a recruit's mouth. Even though our QB situation sucks, Ash & DM are sticking with the offensive philosophy to be able to show kids how they'll be used if they come here. This allows them to see past the scoreboard/record (something I have trouble doing) and look at the future potential.

What is this offense you speak of?

 

[BoogieKnight]

This knock against DM that he does not make adjustments I have taken as being totally unfounded. He should be more concerned with installing the system he wants to run and giving the players reps vs disintegrating his Philosophy for the sake of losing by 40 points instead of 60.

I would rather see the team get those reps now and make gains for when the team is ready to win games. There is no more honor in losing by 30 then there is losing by 60.

I couldn't agree with this more. I get it that it ruins the entertainment value of the games, especially at home, and that pisses people off. But I personally really don't care about moral victories this year nor do I want to ever again. That's the problem with a good portion of this fan base over the years...celebrating mediocrity. I walked out of the Big House last year in the third quarter just like this year. The final scores were irrelevant...both were "a lot to a little" and both counted as L's on the record. Difference was last year's game desperately trying to hang on during a downward spiral and this years game was the seedlings for a rebirth.

If we are going to tear this down and rebuild it for the B1G, then dammit tear it down to the studs and that's what Ash is doing this year. There was nothing good going on over the past 4 years to build off of. Now in year 3 of Ash if we are losing 58-0 and not getting a first down until the second half with Ash's players then people will have a very legitimate reason to gripe.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

This knock against DM that he does not make adjustments I have taken as being totally unfounded. He should be more concerned with installing the system he wants to run and giving the players reps vs disintegrating his Philosophy for the sake of losing by 40 points instead of 60.

I would rather see the team get those reps now and make gains for when the team is ready to win games. There is no more honor in losing by 30 then there is losing by 60.

so you want your weakside exposed to multiple untouched safety blitzes so that you can remain steadfast in your view they are unfounded? I mean, they only did it 6 times in 3 consecutive series!!!!!

 

[ArminRU]

Take it from a PSU homer who knows how much wasted skill position talent you can have by lagging offensive line recruiting...doesn't matter how good your receivers are if the QB doesn't have time to locate the open receiver and they can't open up the passing game by opening holes for the run game...

Do you think Patton and Agudosi don't think they would benefit from a spread offense? Hasn't translated into much success for them
As of yet...Ash needs to focus on the lines before he'll be able to sell a prolific offense.

This

 

[koleszar]

Do you think Stone Hands and Sun Dial 40 time don't think they would benefit from a spread offense? Hasn't translated into much success for them
As of yet...Ash needs to focus on the lines before he'll be able to sell a prolific offense.

I fixed it for you. The wide receivers have their own set of problems. Called separation and actually catching the ball, you know the two main things wide receivers are supposed to do.:chairshot:

 

[n1tlion]

I fixed it for you. The wide receivers have their own set of problems. Called separation and actually catching the ball, you know the two main things wide receivers are supposed to do.:chairshot:

"Separation" was the knock on PSU receivers the past few years, now we have the same receivers and a somewhat upgraded line and a QB That is mobile but with a weaker arm and yet somehow we are gaining "separation" ...combo of experience but also an offensive line picking up the blitz and protecting the QBs blind side...

Stone Hands, lol...for a moment there I thought you were bringing it back to my college days of Tony "Larry's brother" Johnson...who was the original Stone Hands

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Take it from a PSU homer who knows how much wasted skill position talent you can have by lagging offensive line recruiting...doesn't matter how good your receivers are if the QB doesn't have time to locate the open receiver and they can't open up the passing game by opening holes for the run game...

Do you think Patton and Agudosi don't think they would benefit from a spread offense? Hasn't translated into much success for them
As of yet...Ash needs to focus on the lines before he'll be able to sell a prolific offense.

yup

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Take it from a PSU homer who knows how much wasted skill position talent you can have by lagging offensive line recruiting...doesn't matter how good your receivers are if the QB doesn't have time to locate the open receiver and they can't open up the passing game by opening holes for the run game...

Do you think Patton and Agudosi don't think they would benefit from a spread offense? Hasn't translated into much success for them
As of yet...Ash needs to focus on the lines before he'll be able to sell a prolific offense.

yup

"yup" is right. It's exactly the reason he's locked-down Micah Clark, one of the best in the nation at what he does, for the future of our power-spread's OL.[thumb2]

 

[n1tlion]

"yup" is right. It's exactly the reason he's locked-down Micah Clark, one of the best in the nation at what he does, for the future of our power-spread's OL.[thumb2]

It's a good sign he came right out and stood by his commitment, he is the one recruit in a long time I'm envious that Rutgers received over PSU...

 

[Fishky]

So can failure to execute, as we saw in that game:

Laviano to Harris, wide-open for a long TD, overthrown - 7 pts
Laviano to Harris in end zone (IIRC, or heading in...) for a TD, overthrown - 7 pts
Laviano keeping instead of pitching, 4th and 1 for the TD - 7 pts

...that's 21 points lost due to execution, not play calling, so let's be fair.

And you didn't even count the dozens of balls bounced to the receiver or overthrown to a wide open receiver for a first down. If we had a QB who could make all the right decisions and make the plays we would look a ton better.

 

[BoogieKnight]

"Separation" was the knock on PSU receivers the past few years, now we have the same receivers and a somewhat upgraded line and a QB That is mobile but with a weaker arm and yet somehow we are gaining "separation" ...combo of experience but also an offensive line picking up the blitz and protecting the QBs blind side...

Stone Hands, lol...for a moment there I thought you were bringing it back to my college days of Tony "Larry's brother" Johnson...who was the original Stone Hands

Dude, I've watched McSorely play a couple of times now and weak arm or not, that kid is a better college QB than Hackenberg was. More importantly, he fits the system JF wants to be running. And yes your line has gotten somewhat better. But McSorely can play.

 

[n1tlion]

Dude, I've watched McSorely play a couple of times now and weak arm or not, that kid is a better college QB than Hackenberg was. More importantly, he fits the system JF wants to be running. And yes your line has gotten somewhat better. But McSorely can play.

I agree mcsorely is a gamer...a lot to like and he has two more years to play but he is small and does lack the big arm strength...agree he is a better college QB than hack, but my point still stands...with regards to comparing PSU and Rutgers...your passing game won't improve by bringing in more playmakers so much as it will by upgrading your offensive line...

You won't find many bigger fans of mcsorely on the psu bwi board than myself...but his lack of a big arm will limit his ability to become a really good college QB but with an improved line and a great stable of running backs, we only need him to manage the RPO effectively and keep some plays alive and limit sacks to have a decent offense.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I get what you're saying, but Iowa (and possibly Illinois) was a winnable game. Failure to make adjustments can also be the difference in winning and losing.

True, but the loss to Iowa wasn't because of a lack of adjustments. It was because of a lack of execution.

 

[Plum Street]

I think most knowledgable fans know they don't have the knowledge of the coaching staff. Bust most knowledgeable people wonder why the playcalling has stunk in this offense .

 

[LotusAggressor]

I think most knowledgable fans know they don't have the knowledge of the coaching staff. Bust most knowledgeable people wonder why the playcalling has stunk in this offense .

In this case, the play calling is only as good as the players, particularly in the case of this offense. Trying to run a power spread offense without a running threat at the QB position will make the play calling look bad, especially when said QB can't throw the ball either.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

True, but the loss to Iowa wasn't because of a lack of adjustments. It was because of a lack of execution.

I disagree with your first sentence and agree with your second. How many quarterback runs did CM call at the goal line? He did not make adjustments to match the skills of his players. TO and CL could have executed the plays better, but CL is just not a read option QB. In addition, TO did not have the "@ss" to finish the play.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I disagree with your first sentence and agree with your second. How many quarterback runs did CM call at the goal line? He did not make adjustments to match the skills of his players. TO and CL could have executed the plays better, but CL is just not a read option QB. In addition, TO did not have the "@ss" to finish the play.

If Laviano pitches the ball instead of keeping it, that's an easy touchdown. It was actually a very good play call in that situation. It failed because of bad execution.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

If Laviano pitches the ball instead of keeping it, that's an easy touchdown. It was actually a very good play call in that situation. It failed because of bad execution.

Have you ever seen him pitch the ball? I have not in game situations. He is no Geno Smith and CM did not adjust the offense to the players on this team.

 

[n1tlion]

Have you ever seen him pitch the ball? I have not in game situations. He is no Geno Smith and CM did not adjust the offense to the players on this team.

Who is your QB coach? It concerns me that an experienced starter like Laviano still Isn't making any noticeable progress. And none of the other QBs that aren't true freshman appear to be being developed to even come
Close to unseating Laviano?

 

[czxqa]

Have you ever seen him pitch the ball? I have not in game situations. He is no Geno Smith and CM did not adjust the offense to the players on this team.

Well, see, that's where we as fans are kind of in the dark. We have no way of knowing if they called that play 50 times in practice and it worked just fine, only to have Laviano choke in a live ball situation. I find it more than a little hard to believe that they would call a play in such a critical situation that they hadn't practiced at all during the week. That's what practice is for. If they can't get a play down in practice, it doesn't get called in the game.

 

[Plum Street]

In this case, the play calling is only as good as the players, particularly in the case of this offense. Trying to run a power spread offense without a running threat at the QB position will make the play calling look bad, especially when said QB can't throw the ball either.

Fair enough . You're saying we will be better when flood's duds use up their eligibility. Because they stink .

 

[vkj91]

"Separation" was the knock on PSU receivers the past few years, now we have the same receivers and a somewhat upgraded line and a QB That is mobile but with a weaker arm and yet somehow we are gaining "separation" ...combo of experience but also an offensive line picking up the blitz and protecting the QBs blind side...

Stone Hands, lol...for a moment there I thought you were bringing it back to my college days of Tony "Larry's brother" Johnson...who was the original Stone Hands

It's game to game. Michigan was on the line. Iowa was on the WR's and QB. I can understand poor protection against OSU and Michigan but not most other teams. Although Illinois has two great DE's.
Your O line struggled against everyone

 

[vkj91]

Have you ever seen him pitch the ball? I have not in game situations. He is no Geno Smith and CM did not adjust the offense to the players on this team.

Did Geno Smith ever pitch the ball? Not a great analogy. Guy had 340 CAREER rushing yards at WVU

 

[RU31trap]

I say let's see what happens this weekend. This game might put all the BS excuses to rest. Either Ash is good enough to beat a 1-4 team at home or he is not. His mean stares and screaming at athletes are getting old. I say grow up a little bit and do your job which is to develop the kids on the team now, not those who will be here 3 years from now.

 

[n1tlion]

It's game to game. Michigan was on the line. Iowa was on the WR's and QB. I can understand poor protection against OSU and Michigan but not most other teams. Although Illinois has two great DE's.
Your O line struggled against everyone

Can't argue that, they still have their moments of ineptitude, but they seem to be trending in the right direction and are getting some freshman some valuable experience without significantly dropping production...and really think we hit a home run by hiring the former Minnesota offensive line coach...which is somewhat counter to what Ash did by hiring an Offensive line coach without any FBS experience to try to coach up an already mediocre buy veteran OLine backed up by a bunch of lightly recruited underclass men....as a Rutgers fan I think that needs to be your number 1 concern, are you recruiting talented offensive lineman that aren't "projects" and do you have a guy that's qualified to coach them up?

 

[vkj91]

Can't argue that, they still have their moments of ineptitude, but they seem to be trending in the right direction and are getting some freshman some valuable experience without significantly dropping production...and really think we hit a home run by hiring the former Minnesota offensive line coach...which is somewhat counter to what Ash did by hiring an Offensive line coach without any FBS experience to try to coach up an already mediocre buy veteran OLine backed up by a bunch of lightly recruited underclass men....as a Rutgers fan I think that needs to be your number 1 concern, are you recruiting talented offensive lineman that aren't "projects" and do you have a guy that's qualified to coach them up?

You are unrivaled and have an unlimited budget. You lost coaches to lateral moves and hired an OC from Fordham. Don't sweat us...at least our OL guy has B1G pedigree and kids love him

 

[vkj91]

I say let's see what happens this weekend. This game might put all the BS excuses to rest. Either Ash is good enough to beat a 1-4 team at home or he is not. His mean stares and screaming at athletes are getting old. I say grow up a little bit and do your job which is to develop the kids on the team now, not those who will be here 3 years from now.

That's a bit silly. I expect to win but how much can you develop kids in 10 weeks?

 

[mildone]

I think most knowledgable fans know they don't have the knowledge of the coaching staff. Bust most knowledgeable people wonder why the playcalling has stunk in this offense .

I'm not convinced the play-calling has stunk. When the opposing team totally blows up a play before it gets started, even the most knowledgeable fans can't tell you, on many plays, what the intended play was supposed to be. And we had a lot of those sorts of plays in the past two games.

These things are never as simple as fans think. When things aren't working at all, it's never just play-calling. It's partially play-calling, partially poor execution, partially poor preparation, partially great play by the opponent, partially great scheming by the opposing team's coach, etc.

 

[n1tlion]

You are unrivaled and have an unlimited budget. You lost coaches to lateral moves and hired an OC from Fordham. Don't sweat us...at least our OL guy has B1G pedigree and kids love him

We hired a former head coach from Fordham to install and RPO spread that he had been very successful with to be the OC...you hired a guy with one year of FBS assistant coaching experience to be your OC...our coaches have made lateral moves to the SEC, yours are in above their heads in looks like...playing OL in the B1G is a lot different than coaching an OL...but we shall see won't we? Either he'll recruit and coach up the kids needed to be effective or he'll be out of a job in a few years

 

[Blitz Pakage]

We hired a former head coach from Fordham to install and RPO spread that he had been very successful with to be the OC...you hired a guy with one year of FBS assistant coaching experience to be your OC...our coaches have made lateral moves to the SEC, yours are in above their heads in looks like...playing OL in the B1G is a lot different than coaching an OL...but we shall see won't we? Either he'll recruit and coach up the kids needed to be effective or he'll be out of a job in a few years

I agree with you 100% n1tlion! The O line is the key factor to running any kind of offense that will be successful. Most plays being called on the field need time to develop and without great O line play, the plays either gets slowed down or totally blown up. We won a State Championship my junior year in high school because of our offensive line. I was the QB that year and had all of the time I needed to throw. I give them all the credit. My senior year we lost most of that talented line and we ended up a five hundred team. We still had skill players, but we lost the foundation of the Offense. The O line.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Have you ever seen him pitch the ball? I have not in game situations. He is no Geno Smith and CM did not adjust the offense to the players on this team.

A blind squirrel could have made that pitch. Harris was 5-feet away, perfect angle, nobody near him. Laviano - for whatever reason - made by far the wrong choice. Ash, without throwing his QB under the bus both at halftime and in the post-game, essentially said he made the wrong choice. It was a very good play call. Wasn't executed properly. Bottom line.

 

[vkj91]

We hired a former head coach from Fordham to install and RPO spread that he had been very successful with to be the OC...you hired a guy with one year of FBS assistant coaching experience to be your OC...our coaches have made lateral moves to the SEC, yours are in above their heads in looks like...playing OL in the B1G is a lot different than coaching an OL...but we shall see won't we? Either he'll recruit and coach up the kids needed to be effective or he'll be out of a job in a few years

It's not the O line coaches fault. We rushed for 375 yds against Howard, 177 vs NM, and 193 vs Iowa. You can only coach them up so much when you have inferior talent and play three top 5 teams.