Notable quote from Ohio WR recruit Kory Taylor

[n1tlion]

It's not the O line coaches fault. We rushed for 375 yds against Howard, 177 vs NM, and 193 vs Iowa. You can only coach them up so much when you have inferior talent and play three top 5 teams.

Let's throw out all stats from the Howard game shall we? I'd hope they could be effective against a bad FCS school. UNM isn't much better, even FCS South Dakota State put up almost 200 yards rushing against them. Iowa? FCS North Dakota state (albeit a good FCS school) rushed for over 200.

What I'm saying about your OLine coach has more to do with recruiting and future coaching of better talent, I question whether his lack of experience coaching at the FBS level is going to hinder that ability to get out of state OLine recruits that are an upgrade in talent and if he'll he able to effectively coach them
Up...he has veteran OLineman right now that don't seem to be progressing from where they were in years past.

 

[vkj91]

Let's throw out all stats from the Howard game shall we? I'd hope they could be effective against a bad FCS school. UNM isn't much better, even FCS South Dakota State put up almost 200 yards rushing against them. Iowa? FCS North Dakota state (albeit a good FCS school) rushed for over 200.

What I'm saying about your OLine coach has more to do with recruiting and future coaching of better talent, I question whether his lack of experience coaching at the FBS level is going to hinder that ability to get out of state OLine recruits that are an upgrade in talent and if he'll he able to effectively coach them
Up...he has veteran OLineman right now that don't seem to be progressing from where they were in years past.

you question how a young guy, who played in the B1G, whose players love him, and by all accounts has a great personality is going to recruit? meanwhile your OC from Fordham is gonna be a selling point? His one year of OC experience at UConn a big attraction?

 

[LotusAggressor]

Article is from TOS, so I won't post the link, but:



I know folks on here have said it before, but this time it's straight from a recruit's mouth. Even though our QB situation sucks, Ash & DM are sticking with the offensive philosophy to be able to show kids how they'll be used if they come here. This allows them to see past the scoreboard/record (something I have trouble doing) and look at the future potential.

Is Ohio State recruiting this guy, too? Because they run the same offense with a QB that can actually throw the ball accurately.

 

[n1tlion]

you question how a young guy, who played in the B1G, whose players love him, and by all accounts has a great personality is going to recruit? meanwhile your OC from Fordham is gonna be a selling point? His one year of OC experience at UConn a big attraction?

That's great, hire a bunch of young inexperienced graduate assistants that
Can relate to the current players and played a little college ball but weren't good enough to play in the LEAGUE, and see how that works out for you...oh wait isn't that your OC? And your DB coach?

You are missing my point, I'm not comparing our coaches, I'm simply saying that you have a rebuilding job on your hands and I question how smart it is to rebuild an offensive line with an inexperienced OLine coach.

 

[Akron Buck]

Is Ohio State recruiting this guy, too? Because they run the same offense with a QB that can actually throw the ball accurately.

I have not heard his name before and I follow our recruiting fairly close.

 

[vkj91]

That's great, hire a bunch of young inexperienced graduate assistants that
Can relate to the current players and played a little college ball but weren't good enough to play in the LEAGUE, and see how that works out for you...oh wait isn't that your OC? And your DB coach?

You are missing my point, I'm not comparing our coaches, I'm simply saying that you have a rebuilding job on your hands and I question how smart it is to rebuild an offensive line with an inexperienced OLine coach.

and I question giving a guy 5 million a year even though he's never beaten a top 25 team in his career. Everyone knows we have a rebuilding job. Best way to rebuild is through recruits.

 

[beaced]

This knock against DM that he does not make adjustments I have taken as being totally unfounded. He should be more concerned with installing the system he wants to run and giving the players reps vs disintegrating his Philosophy for the sake of losing by 40 points instead of 60.

I would rather see the team get those reps now and make gains for when the team is ready to win games. There is no more honor in losing by 30 then there is losing by 60.

Not so. Statistically there is 1/2 as much no more honor.

 

[e5fdny]

Not sure if I would equate the phrase "playing a little college ball" the same as being All-B1G (and co-captain too) in the position you are coaching and recruiting.

I might as it pertains to Fordham though.

 

[n1tlion]

and I question giving a guy 5 million a year even though he's never beaten a top 25 team in his career. Everyone knows we have a rebuilding job. Best way to rebuild is through recruits.

I don't understand why you guys keep harping on who Franklin has or hasn't beaten...he took a team at the bottom of the SEC and made them relevant for a few years, look where they are now, back to the bottom. He took a team under significant scholarship reductions and has had three top 4 (in the B1G) recruiting classes and had an outside chance at taking this team to 9-3 or 8-4 not standing with all the injuries and a first time starting QB

 

[miketd1]

I don't understand why you guys keep harping on who Franklin has or hasn't beaten...he took a team at the bottom of the SEC and made them relevant for a few years, look where they are now, back to the bottom. He took a team under significant scholarship reductions and has had three top 4 (in the B1G) recruiting classes and had an outside chance at taking this team to 9-3 or 8-4 not standing with all the injuries and a first time starting QB

Getting from mediocre to respectable (which Franklin did at Vandy) is a much easier job than going from respectable to contender (his job at PSU).

We've seen this before firsthand with Schiano.

Any D1 coach worth his salt can have the recruiting, development, and scheduling stars align for a few years.

Only the special ones can do it year after year.

Just look at the calls for Brian Kelly's head at ND. Here's a coach that played in the championship game not even 5 years ago...

 

[PaKnight]

I disagree with your first sentence and agree with your second. How many quarterback runs did CM call at the goal line? He did not make adjustments to match the skills of his players. TO and CL could have executed the plays better, but CL is just not a read option QB. In addition, TO did not have the "@ss" to finish the play.

TO could have handed the ball off on the read option. He kept the ball.

 

[n1tlion]

Getting from mediocre to respectable (which Franklin did at Vandy) is a much easier job than going from respectable to contender (his job at PSU).

We've seen this before firsthand with Schiano.

Any D1 coach worth his salt can have the recruiting, development, and scheduling stars align for a few years.

Only the special ones can do it year after year.

Just look at the calls for Brian Kelly's head at ND. Here's a coach that played in the championship game not even 5 years ago...

110% disagree...it's much harder to change the culture at a program and the views of recruits to help turn around a perennial dormat to bring to respectability than to turn around a program with tradition and an inherent recruiting advantage which is a big time school with a huge fan base and many NFL players.

Franklin recruited well but ALSO coached up a team that had few top recruits already in place.

This isn't college basketball where all it takes is one our two top recruits to agree to come on board and make a good run.

 

[miketd1]

110% disagree...it's much harder to change the culture at a program and the views of recruits to help turn around a perennial dormat to bring to respectability than to turn around a program with tradition and an inherent recruiting advantage which is a big time school with a huge fan base and many NFL players.

Franklin recruited well but ALSO coached up a team that had few top recruits already in place.

This isn't college basketball where all it takes is one our two top recruits to agree to come on board and make a good run.

I'm saying it's far easier to win 6-7 games than it is to go to a major bowl, which is quite difficult.

Like epically more difficult.

So difficult that it's pretty much the same 10 teams competing for national titles year after year.

We can disagree if you'd like.

 

[n1tlion]

I'm saying it's far easier to win 6-7 games than it is to go to a major bowl, which is quite difficult.

Like epically more difficult.

So difficult that it's pretty much the same 10 teams competing for national titles year after year.

We can disagree if you'd like.

Ask Indiana how hard it is to win 6-7 games when they've been only been to two bowl games since 1993...it's not easy to get bowl eligible when you are the perennial dormat, even more so in the loaded SEC

 

[miketd1]

n1: Every year, one or two teams emerge seemingly out of nowhere and against improbable odds to experience a Cinderella run and go low tier bowling for the first time.

Every. Year.

Now think of what it takes to get into the playoffs, which is what Franklin is tasked with.

You can't just get lucky -- you need to be lucky and good...

Listen, we're gonna have to disagree here.

 

[n1tlion]

n1: Every year, one or two teams emerge seemingly out of nowhere and against improbable odds to experience a Cinderella run and go low tier bowling for the first time.

Every. Year.

Now think of what it takes to get into the playoffs, which is what Franklin is tasked with.

You can't just get lucky -- you need to be lucky and good...

Listen, we're gonna have to disagree here.

Luckily most of the realistic PSU fans aren't expecting Franklin to take us to the "playoff" in the next few years and he isn't being held to that high of a standard right now

 

[rucoe89]

Take it from a PSU homer who knows how much wasted skill position talent you can have by lagging offensive line recruiting...doesn't matter how good your receivers are if the QB doesn't have time to locate the open receiver and they can't open up the passing game by opening holes for the run game...

Do you think Patton and Agudosi don't think they would benefit from a spread offense? Hasn't translated into much success for them
As of yet...Ash needs to focus on the lines before he'll be able to sell a prolific offense.

Makes a lot of sense. Need more quality depth on OL. Actually have high hopes from this year's OL class. DL class will need work based on what we saw against Michigan 3rd string last week.

 

[vkj91]

I don't understand why you guys keep harping on who Franklin has or hasn't beaten...he took a team at the bottom of the SEC and made them relevant for a few years, look where they are now, back to the bottom. He took a team under significant scholarship reductions and has had three top 4 (in the B1G) recruiting classes and had an outside chance at taking this team to 9-3 or 8-4 not standing with all the injuries and a first time starting QB

because he didn't turn them into a relevant program. His entire SEC career was built on beating Kentucky, a horrible Tennessee program, the worst Florida team ever and a few other putrid teams. I think the total win count for all the SEC teams he beat was like 3 or something. He got blown out by the good teams and some how lucked into never playing Bama. Think he played LSU once. Saying he made the relevant would be like saying Flood made us relevant year one in the B1G.

 

[n1tlion]

because he didn't turn them into a relevant program. His entire SEC career was built on beating Kentucky, a horrible Tennessee program, the worst Florida team ever and a few other putrid teams. I think the total win count for all the SEC teams he beat was like 3 or something. He got blown out by the good teams and some how lucked into never playing Bama. Think he played LSU once. Saying he made the relevant would be like saying Flood made us relevant year one in the B1G.

You guys make the same arguement every time...who cares who he beat or how bad Florida was that year...he took a team that had NEVER been to a bowl game and took them bowling two years...you guys like to discount franklins accomplishments like that means anything to PSU fans...he recruits well and represents the program in a positive light, and hires decent assistants who can also recruit. That's all we care about not what he did in the SEC, it's just further proof to US that he is capable of turning nothing into something.

 

[vkj91]

You guys make the same arguement every time...who cares who he beat or how bad Florida was that year...he took a team that had NEVER been to a bowl game and took them bowling two years...you guys like to discount franklins accomplishments like that means anything to PSU fans...he recruits well and represents the program in a positive light, and hires decent assistants who can also recruit. That's all we care about not what he did in the SEC, it's just further proof to US that he is capable of turning nothing into something.

Vanderbilt went to a bowl only two or three years prior to Franklins arrival. Not that I'd expect a PSU fan to actually check. Citing the BWI mantra is easier. If you don't like our arguments why post on our board?

 

[n1tlion]

Vanderbilt went to a bowl only two or three years prior to Franklins arrival. Not that I'd expect a PSU fan to actually check. Citing the BWI mantra is easier. If you don't like our arguments why post on our board?

Because it's entertaining...but you keep digressing, we were trying to talk about your recruitment of offensive skill position players having no chance at success without a competent Well coached offensive line for which you've been recruiting "under the radar" guys that "want to be at Rutgers"

 

[vkj91]

Because it's entertaining...but you keep digressing, we were trying to talk about your recruitment of offensive skill position players having no chance at success without a competent Well coached offensive line for which you've been recruiting "under the radar" guys that "want to be at Rutgers"

BWI in a nutshell. Facts are digressing.

 

[n1tlion]

BWI in a nutshell. Facts are digressing.

I enjoy the back and forth on here...if we can stick to the topics lol