O-Coordinator Timing and Portal Impacts?

[Knight Shift]

Didnt say it was good or bad. Just looking at data. But can we dive deeper? How many incompletions were under pressure? How many had no separation from the CB? How many were throwing the ball away?

What percent of our throws did we only send 2 or 3 out on routes?

My point is there is so much data and film to look at in order to make an argument.

Keep it up. You are going to force me to watch every freaking pass and provide analysis! You might remember, I did this for the Minnesota game (don't hold your breath waiting for me to do the full game analysis. It was either yesterday or the Penn State game, by the eye and emotion test, it seemed that Gavin did make some poor throws on short screen passes-but nobody is perfect):

Summary (from Minnesota gam):
18 passing attempts (one did not count because of penalty, so not the official stat line)
5 bad passes.
2 throwaways
6 catchable balls not caught/dropped

Objective Take on Every Pass Attempt By Gavin Wimsatt With Pictures

Receivers catching the ball would have helped his stats. He could have thrown 5 passes better, including the INT. If Gavin stays and stays healthy and the receivers catch the ball, the future can be bright. Who steps up after Cruickshank, Jones, Ryan and Langan leave is a big question, or RU...

rutgers.forums.rivals.com

 

[Knight Shift]

Here is the thing, as a program things are better.

1. GPA is up.
2. The kids are being good kids
3. Fan day experience is improving.

As a HC you do a lot program running and not coaching (at any level of sports). He has to improve his OC and offensive staff. He needs to hire a STC.

I think his DC and D staff are phenomenal, but the offensive side has a lot to improve on from a coaching stand point.

IDK about #3. The guy running the sound (the DJ) is an asshat and needs to go.

 

[Knight Shift]

I don’t like that path but it’s a definite possibility with a McNulty or Cignetti type.

This. Football is cylical. Now that LBs and SS are smaller and faster to deal with the spread we will see power football return.

I want to see Ace (two TE single back or 1 TE 1 H/FB) single back and two WR. Stretch zone. Then go 2x2 with a 2 WR and a TE and a WR with a single back and RPO.

Very hard to defend balance sets. Stretch, Counter, play action, RPO. There we go.

@NickRU714 is not going to like this.

 

[rutgersguy1]

@NickRU714 is not going to like this.

I don’t either lol

 

[Knight Shift]

Below is a summary of two young QBs, one is a true 18 year old freshman that just turned 19 playing for a first-year head coach and the other is a 19 year old redshirt freshman playing for a coach in his umpteenth season. We will get to see both these players next year. Which one has the most upside? Which would you want on your team in 2023?


2022
CMP: 268, ATT: 443, CMP%: 60.5, YDS: 3,028, AVG: 6.8, TD: 18, INT: 12, LNG: 78, RTG: 125.9
LAST GAME
CMP: 45, ATT: 63, CMP%: 71.4, YDS: 527, AVG: 8.4 , TD: 5, INT: 1, LNG: 40, RTG: 164.7

2022
CMP : 65, ATT: 145, CMP%: 44.8, YDS: 757, AVG: 5.2, TD: 5, INT: 7, LNG: 55, RTG: 90.4
LAST GAME
CMP: 5, ATT: 13, CMP%: 38.5, YDS: 48, AVG: 3.7, TD: 0, INT: 0, LNG: 27, RTG: 69.5

That's cute how you did not provide their names.
Do you know anything about statistics and sample sizes? You are comparing 443 passing attempts versus 145 passing attempts. That is 3 times the sample size. But I'll do the real work to show how your comparison fails.

Let's factor out EJ Warner's game against Lafayette and bring this into focus.

Rutgers 19/32 215 yards 59.4% 1 TD/1 INT
UMass 11/22 173 yards 50% 2 TD/2 INT
Memphis 18/37 245 yards 48.6% 0 TD/3 INT
UCF 24/43 234 yards 44.8% 1 TD/0 INT
TLSA 23/48 47.9% 1 TD/1 INT


TOTALS: 95/182 52.2% 5 TD/7 INT

By the way, in his next game he went 24/48 245 yards , 1 TD and 2 INTs- so let's throw that in.
119/230 51.7%, 6 TD/9 INT

Rutgers would have run their QB out of town with those numbers.
When did EJ Warner improve and start throw in the 70-75% completion range? His last 4 games.

Experience matters. It's called growth and development.

Was Wimsatt's performance yesterday disappointing? Yes. He could have done better.
Penn State was a different story. He was running for his life most of the game. Developing QBs will have ups and downs.

 

[Knight Shift]

I don’t either lol

We are aligned- still.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I honestly think maybe we go more pro style. It works for Minnesota and Michigan.

It works for them because they block people and their QBs and OCs are competent.

 

[jtung230]

It works for them because they block people and their QBs and OCs are competent.

IDK, we beat Illinois last year and their transfer QB too.

 

[gef21]

IDK about #3. The guy running the sound (the DJ) is an asshat and needs to go.

I hope they play Narco for the rest of the time I watch RU football games. haha

 

[NickRU714]

@NickRU714 is not going to like this.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Here’s a name that didn’t come to me but if you’re into the pro style smash mouth..Paul Chryst. I’d find him to be a better option than McNulty or Cignetti.

 

[gef21]

Yuo ca

IDK about #3. The guy running the sound (the DJ) is an asshat and needs to g

@NickRU714 is not going to like this.

You can run whatever concept out of it you want. Especailly the 3 WR and TE sets. RPO? Sure. Vertical attack? sure. Zone read? Sure Outside or inside stretch zone? Sure. Power? Counter? Sure.

All the modern day spread is moving people outside of the box to establish the run. We have not consistently forced teams to remove players from the box. Teams can Man zero us, and stop the run.

 

[Knight Shift]

I hope they play Narco for the rest of the time I watch RU football games. haha

Still trying to understand why Click Click Boom is played after almost every 3 and out by RU offense. Almost seems insulting.

 

[kupuna133]

Still trying to understand why Click Click Boom is played after almost every 3 and out by RU offense. Almost seems insulting.

Because the kid running the sound board either doesn’t have a clue on timing or is clowning the entire fan base. I personally think it is a combination of both.

 

[Knight Shift]

Because the kid running the sound board either doesn’t have a clue on timing or is clowning the entire fan base. I personally think it is a combination of both.

Could be wrong, but the "kid" is a Penn State product.

 

[kupuna133]

Could be wrong, but the "kid" is a Penn State product.

Yep. As is evident by the lion roar at last years game. Kid needs to be relieved of his duties. He may have done a nice job with the boardwalk. But pre game/ team introduction/ in game production has been awful for the last 2 years.

 

[scarletbergen]

If he was really a stand-up guy he would turn the analysis of his performance and whether he was the right guy to lead the program over to Hobbs and agree to waive any buyout clause if Hobbs determined he was not the right guy. But of course, Greg would never do the right thing, he is a used car salesman thru and thru.

Ha ha ha ha! Politics is a brutal game

 

[NickRU714]

@NickRU714 is not going to like this.

Maybe I'm overreacting and letting past performance impact my opinion of OC McNulty.

Let's check in on how has performed as an OC since leaving.

Note - this is out of 131 FBS teams and does NOT include FCS games (i.e. Wagner)

2022 Boston College 3-9/2-6 and last in division
(Rutgers numbers also for reference)

PPG: 15.9 #123 (13.0 #128)
YPG: 300.7 #117 (255 #130)
YPP (yards per play): 4.3 #123 (4.0 #129)

Additional note - both BC and Rutgers were WORSE than last year in all of these stats.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play

 

[Knight Shift]

Yep. As is evident by the lion roar at last years game. Kid needs to be relieved of his duties. He may have done a nice job with the boardwalk. But pre game/ team introduction/ in game production has been awful for the last 2 years.

I mentioned this to Greg pre-season (not the lion roar), but the in-game production. He appeared a little surprised. He has bigger fish to fry right now.

 

[gef21]

Still trying to understand why Click Click Boom is played after almost every 3 and out by RU offense. Almost seems insulting.

I only made it to 2/3 of the home games this year. Coaching on Saturdays got in the way a few times. I enjoyed the time at the stadium, and my 5 year old really enjoyed it.

 

[kupuna133]

I only made it to 2/3 of the home games this year. Coaching on Saturdays got in the way a few times. I enjoyed the time at the stadium, and my 5 year old really enjoyed it.

Only got my kids to agree to come to one game this year. My 8 and 10 year old loved the boardwalk and tailgating lots. But that positive experience didn’t outweigh what has kept them from the stadium for the past 5 years. Volume of the piped in music.

 

[Knight Shift]

Only got my kids to agree to come to one game this year. My 8 and 10 year old loved the boardwalk and tailgating lots. But that positive experience didn’t outweigh what has kept them from the stadium for the past 5 years. Volume of the piped in music.

Did you explain to them that they would not have to listen to cannon blasts during the game because, ummm, you know?

 

[RUforlife]

That's cute how you did not provide their names.
Do you know anything about statistics and sample sizes? You are comparing 443 passing attempts versus 145 passing attempts. That is 3 times the sample size. But I'll do the real work to show how your comparison fails.

Let's factor out EJ Warner's game against Lafayette and bring this into focus.

Rutgers 19/32 215 yards 59.4% 1 TD/1 INT
UMass 11/22 173 yards 50% 2 TD/2 INT
Memphis 18/37 245 yards 48.6% 0 TD/3 INT
UCF 24/43 234 yards 44.8% 1 TD/0 INT
TLSA 23/48 47.9% 1 TD/1 INT


TOTALS: 95/182 52.2% 5 TD/7 INT

By the way, in his next game he went 24/48 245 yards , 1 TD and 2 INTs- so let's throw that in.
119/230 51.7%, 6 TD/9 INT

Rutgers would have run their QB out of town with those numbers.
When did EJ Warner improve and start throw in the 70-75% completion range? His last 4 games.

Experience matters. It's called growth and development.

Was Wimsatt's performance yesterday disappointing? Yes. He could have done better.
Penn State was a different story. He was running for his life most of the game. Developing QBs will have ups and downs.

Because I knew a cultist would. LOL! Yes, all QBs develop, got it. What I didn't include was Wimsatt's 2021 stats. What I didn't include is that Wimsatt had a whole year of practice, off season workouts, and film work. Wimsatt is a redshirt freshman, the other QB is a true freshman. The other QB doesn't have accuracy issues. The other QB had OL issues as well and spent many games running for his life as well. The other QB will be drafted as a QB, Wimsatt will also have a shot at the pros, but not as a QB. Mark it down and book it. Schiano needs to bring in a OC that will attract a competent starting QB from the TP or we are right back here next year arguing over the same stupid topics.

 

[RUforlife]

Waive the buy out clause? Who the **** would? Names please.

Greg Schiano would because we have told over and over that he loves Rutgers and wants what is best for Rutgers even more the personal enrichment. No?

 

[kupuna133]

Did you explain to them that they would not have to listen to cannon blasts during the game because, ummm, you know?

They loved the cannon when they were little. They are fine with appropriate loud noises. It’s the constant barrage that turns them and most people off.

 

[Knight Shift]

Maybe I'm overreacting and letting past performance impact my opinion of OC McNulty.

Let's check in on how has performed as an OC since leaving.

Note - this is out of 131 FBS teams and does NOT include FCS games (i.e. Wagner)

2022 Boston College 3-9/2-6 and last in division
(Rutgers numbers also for reference)

PPG: 15.9 #123 (13.0 #128)
YPG: 300.7 #117 (255 #130)
YPP (yards per play): 4.3 #123 (4.0 #129)

Additional note - both BC and Rutgers were WORSE than last year in all of these stats.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play

I want to be clear--I'm agnostic to kind of against McNulty being hired at Rutgers as OC. I admire your tenacity and willingness to debate yourself on the issue. There are too many other names out there before going to McNulty.

 

[LotusAggressor]

Big year for Greg in the portal. Needs WR and TE help. A few impact players will make all the difference. An obvious statement yes but nonetheless true. We have really good D and serviceable special teams.

Players need to be in an offense that puts them in a position to make an impact. No playmaking TE or WR is going to want to play in an offense where a blown up QB turned TE is being repeatedly run up the middle on direct snaps. They also aren't going to play in an offense with QBs that are inaccurate passers.

 

[kupuna133]

I want to be clear--I'm agnostic to kind of against McNulty being hired at Rutgers as OC. I admire your tenacity and willingness to debate yourself on the issue. There are too many other names out there before going to McNulty.

I know you know this and I agree with you. Can’t imagine McNulty is a realistic option. There have only been 2 coordinators removed in season at Rutgers. One was released by the coach (Gleeeson)one was released by the AD (McNulty). And that AD is still in charge. From what I have heard McNulty is persona non grata at Rutgers.

 

[graystork]

I honestly think maybe we go more pro style. It works for Minnesota and Michigan.

God knows we've screwed up enough spread offenses.

 

[NickRU714]

Since actual player development appears to be minimal - what impact players has the offensive coaching staff recruited?

Are they all on the defensive side of the ball?
Most predictions seem we don’t exactly have impact players waiting in the wings and need to use the Portal to upgrade most offensive talent.

 

[RUb-it-in]

Even if you take out drops that is a terrible completion percentage. You realize that would rank him 105 in the NCAA? I am sure those qbs had drops also. Only one QB had a worse completion percentage then him this year. If he didn’t have 4 stars out of high school you wouldn’t be making all the excuses. The kid isn’t ready to play and probably needs a redshirt year just to learn the game.

He already had a red shirt year.

 

[Rokodesh]

Here’s a name that didn’t come to me but if you’re into the pro style smash mouth..Paul Chryst. I’d find him to be a better option than McNulty or Cignetti.

We should not even consider mcnulty or cignetti. They've both been here already. Enough of the retreads. We're going to get the same dog shit offense with either of them. Time for someone who's run a successful offense with a fresh set of eyes. Need an entire clean slate on offense. Entirely new offensive coaching staff. Otherwise it will be the same garbage we've seen for the last 10 years (minus fridge in 2014)

 

[Rokodesh]

Since actual player development appears to be minimal - what impact players has the offensive coaching staff recruited?

Are they all on the defensive side of the ball?
Most predictions seem we don’t exactly have impact players waiting in the wings and need to use the Portal to upgrade most offensive talent.

Literally just Sam Brown

 

[rucoe89]

Here is the thing, as a program things are better.

1. GPA is up.
2. The kids are being good kids
3. Fan day experience is improving.

As a HC you do a lot program running and not coaching (at any level of sports). He has to improve his OC and offensive staff. He needs to hire a STC.

I think his DC and D staff are phenomenal, but the offensive side has a lot to improve on from a coaching stand point.

Most balanced post on the 2022 assessment.

I too thought defensive side did well in general. They just seemed exhausted as games wore on because of offense failure. Good talent remain unless some head to the transfer portal. It does giveth and taketh.

 

[RUbacker]

Most balanced post on the 2022 assessment.

I too thought defensive side did well in general. They just seemed exhausted as games wore on because of offense failure. Good talent remain unless some head to the transfer portal. It does giveth and taketh.

Could you imagine how good our D would have been had we had a decent offense and they weren’t beaten down most games?

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

If he was really a stand-up guy he would turn the analysis of his performance and whether he was the right guy to lead the program over to Hobbs and agree to waive any buyout clause if Hobbs determined he was not the right guy. But of course, Greg would never do the right thing, he is a used car salesman thru and thru.

Yeah right! That could happen..😂😂😂
I bet that's exactly what you would do in his situation.
I wish I could see the sarcasm. Sadly there is none to see.

Although Gregg may not yet be getting the results people here expect (sometimes unrealistically) or hope for (myself included), I can assure you he truly believes in his team and what he is doing. The used car salesman comparison is not even close.

Time will tell if he is the guy to get RU on the road to respectability. But if he is ultimately unsuccessful, it won't be for lack of commitment or hard work.

 

[RUbacker]

Yeah right! That could happen..😂😂😂
I bet that's exactly what you would do in his situation.
I wish I could see the sarcasm. Sadly there is none to see.

Although Gregg may not yet be getting the results people here expect (sometimes unrealistically) or hope for (myself included), I can assure you he truly believes in his team and what he is doing. The used car salesman comparison is not even close.

Time will tell if he is the guy to get RU on the road to respectability. But if he is ultimately unsuccessful, it won't be for lack of commitment or hard work.

Love how people that don’t know anything about GS say things like “if he was a stand up guy” blah blah. Question his coaching if you want but the man is all about doing the right thing and being stand up. That is never in question. Just ask players and coaches . He has impacted hundreds of them and you can find e the truth there instead of board posters that know nothing .

 

[rimsky]

With Rutgers owing ex-OC Gleeson a $1M 2023, I hope Schiano's next hire is more judicious. It seems the Board of Gov's think Schiano is infallible.