I liked Kill a lot.
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I think we all liked Kill a lot as an OC. Unfortunately his health issues prevented him from being at RU long term.
With that being said, glad to see that he's still able to coach with success.
Tim Lester out as HC at Western Michigan. While the offense was not productive in 2022, he had some top MAC offenses. He served as OC at Syracuse in 2014-14 under Scott "Isis" Shafer. He played QB at WMU and the XFL and arena football. A former QB would be a good get. Not saying he should be top candidate, but he is out there.
The problem is our identity crisis. Fans want spread but we are more pro style. I feel like Minnesota is us if we stay pro style.
Yes he had a plan. A bad terrible plan.
A plan some actually want to bring back?
Is this real life and people waxing poetic about OC Kill?
People talk about boring bad offense this year.
2017 was literally as bad and possibly even worse.
And the talk at the time was "well a slow, pro style offense will fit our roster better".
2017 stats (only FBS opponents):
PPG: 13.7 (#127 out of 130)
YPG: 243.1 (#129 out of 130)
Plays per game: 59.5 (#129 out of 130)
Yards per play (i.e. offense efficiency): 4.1 (#129 out of 130)
But but..Time of Possession!!
OC Kill didn't have 3 and outs in 13 seconds like OC Mehringer. He saved the defense.
2017 Average TOP: 28:03
2016 Average TOP: 27:20
I'm sure the defense really appreciated that extra 43 seconds of time on the sideline.
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-game
My post was about Kill having a plan. There was a system there was organization there was a methodology. You knew the identity. Since he left there has been disorganization. And I didn’t see anyone waxing poetic.
Zay Flowers should have transferred to a better team if he had a chance - regardless of NIL. It was obvious how the BC season was going to go with their new OC.
kill simplified the offence and recognized gus the bus had nfl talent......boring, but effective enough....focus on run blocking that you don't need a ph.d to figure out.
I want to see us run a pro style offense with spread concepts. Again I love Ace (two TE), and then sets with a TE and an H/FB and a single back. Two or three WR sets with vertical and level concepts as well as RPO concepts. With the ability to motion that H into the backfield and run pro I and counter concepts from balanced looks.
Got caught on camera with his hand in the "cookie jar". That demonstrated poor situational awareness which is a required skill for a good head coach.
Pass.
Every additional TE or FB you put on the field removes a threat to the defense.
See OC McNulty and his 3 TE sets with 1 actual receiving threat on the field.
We have a natural threat advantage (potentially) with Wimsatt at QB.
Why would we want to compromise that threat by pulling more defenders into the box and putting out non-pass catching threats they don't have to worry about?
Isn't our problem the lack of threats on the field to keep the defense honest?
I like two TE single back sets because it is completely balanced. Very hard for defenses to gauge a strength. It allows you to run either way, run counter either way, but also throw the ball. I also like have the TE and an H/split who you can shift out to a 2x2 set, and again being very balanced.
You are a Dad too- which is most important. IIRC, you coached at the college level. IMO, you are one of several posters to whom other posters should listen to, or at least seriously consider. Please keep posting. Your posts are factual, break down concepts and have a reasonable tone.
Do we have TEs that allow us to operate effectively in that formation? I haven’t seen it.
Konopka was on his way until he got injured. I like that kid’s potential. I know one which was a liability every time he was on the field.
Was just a joke. You had written you wanted an identity. So, being the wise-ass prankster that I am, I had to ask who you were.
Guess it wasn't as funny as I'd hoped. 😃
And, just for the record, you're not nobody. I think you're one of the very best contributors to the football forum here. Your posts are informed and educated about the sport from your experience with it. This place is much better for having you.
Also, I think coaches, particularly at the HS or lower levels, and teachers are pretty important.
I actually thought about writing "Dad" too. If I did not stop coaching at the college level, I would not be a dad. I turned down the contract extension and walked away because I knew I was obsessing.
Now I just obsess over two high school sports.
We have the H for it (and probably 2-3 guys who could be successful in that role). If Konopka was healthy we could have done it.
Some of the emails I get from parents might be worse than the political fighting I see.... Haha
The first 25 minutes of this podcast including @Richard Schnyderite is a must listen. Joe Conlin for OC!!!
I like Andrew Sowder from Kent State.
Runs an RPO offense with one of the most effective offenses in the country. Guy is Taylor made for a guy like Gavin and when he took over the offense at Kent State, in his first year the offense increased their PPG by 11 from the previous season. Guy was on a couple shortlists last year including the Miami OC job
Runs an RPO offense with one of the most effective offenses in the country. Guy is Taylor made for a guy like Gavin and when he took over the offense at Kent State, in his first year the offense increased their PPG by 11 from the previous season. Guy was on a couple shortlists last year including the Miami OC job
I've posted similar articles in the past and this one gives me the impression it's more Decker the OC than Conlin and that's the same impression I had from the other article.
From the article:
The Rams have brought a taste of Rocky Top to the Bronx.
The Jesuit Catholic school that produced Vince Lombardi and the Seven Blocks of Granite has the most prolific offense in Division I football.
Fordham (9-2) enters its first-round NCAA Championship Subdivision playoff game Saturday at New Hampshire averaging 612 yards per game while running basically the same scheme as Tennessee, which leads the Bowl Subdivision at 540 yards per game..
The last Division I school to average 600 yards per game over a season was Baylor, which did it twice (2013 and '15) under coach Art Briles.
Tennessee's offense — and now Fordham's — is a version of what those Baylor teams ran. With receivers split out almost the entire width of the field, defenses face a difficult choice. Commit extra defenders to stopping the deep passes to those wideouts and the offense has room to run in the middle of the field with good ratio of blockers to potential tacklers. Creep safeties and linebackers closer to the line of scrimmage to stop the run, and it's bombs away against one-on-one coverage.
“That's the goal of the whole entire thing is just create more space for our guys to make plays,” Fordham offensive coordinator Kevin Decker said. “If we spread them out, and their intent is to spread out with us and leave a thin box we’re going to attack the box. If they load the box, we can still run it, but also we can attack the exterior."
So how did the offense end up in the Bronx?
Enter David Weeks, a former equipment manager at UCF who broke into coaching as a student assistant for Scott Frost in 2017. Weeks spent two years with Heupel and Lebby, working with quarterbacks before he moved to New York and took what amounted to an internship with Fordham coach Joe Conlin in 2020. He is now the Rams' tight ends coach.
Decker, a former New Hampshire quarterback and disciple of UCLA coach Chip Kelly's version of the spread offense, began picking Weeks' brain about what UCF was doing under Heupel and Lebby.
At first Decker was sprinkling parts of the Heupel offense into his system. A few games into the 2021 season, Decker decided to commit fully to the new system.
“If you look at any really good offense, no matter what it is, they have an identity,” Decker said.
Fordham's potent offense brings taste of Rocky Top to Bronx
Fordham has brought a taste of Tennessee to the Bronx this year
www.usatoday.com
This was the other article I've posted before
Kevin Decker discusses installing Josh Heupel's offense at Fordham
A look at how Josh Heupel’s offense has reached Bronx, New York. Offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Kevin Decker discusses installing Josh Heupel’s offense at Fordham.
volswire.usatoday.com
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Btw I've said this before, because there's often this false impression that these offenses like Briles' are just airing it out every play. They don't. Briles' Baylor offense was often in the top 15 rushing, occasionally top 5. Heupel's rushing offense was #18 last year and #12 this year. I don't know if you've seen Arkansas' offense but they have a big bruiser qb KJ Jefferson who throws decently and they try to be physical. Kendal Briles is the OC there. Their rushing offense was #7 and #9 this last two years. Pittman the HC is a former OL coach so you can understand the lean in that direction as well.
Whether it was Briles at Baylor, Heupel at Tenn, K Briles at Ark..they all had more rushing attempts than passing attempts.
So the highlights might give the impression of pass happy offenses but these guys look to run the ball as well and every coach tweaks and adapts to personnel etc...
Whether it was Briles at Baylor, Heupel at Tenn, K Briles at Ark..they all had more rushing attempts than passing attempts.
So the highlights might give the impression of pass happy offenses but these guys look to run the ball as well and every coach tweaks and adapts to personnel etc...
Major applewhite. Makes 280 where he is at and has 2 QB’s better than what we have
This is why I stopped coaching. Anything above HS level becomes your whole life.
Most on here haven't a clue what sacrifice these guys and their families make to do what they do. Most don't make the big time programs and big $.
Can't give proper time to family and the job. One or the other suffers.
Fair enough on other jobs as well.
I didn't say everybody on here doesn't get it. I said most. You would be one of the guys I don't count among them.
Coaching can be a sickness. I have to try and control my brain as a spectator! Sometimes not successfully, much to the chagrin of those around me.😂😂😂
I left college coaching because I had zero normal life. I was not going back to my condo, I was sleeping in the office 3-4 nights a week. I would work out, eat, work, and sleep at The University. I would go on dates and then never have time to follow up.
I was good at what I did, and i'm confident enough to know where I would have ended up, but I had to walk away.
I am lucky to have an amazing family, and to coach two successful high school programs (one of them nationally ranked).
I now probably only spend 10-15 hours a week on coaching (when out of season), and in season 30 hours a week. Plus teaching. But this is far less than what I was doing....and I go home.
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