Some great choices. Right now I will take ANYONE whose heart is beating.
Sean Gleeson could be one for the future. Don't know about Surace.Is it the Princeton coach or the OC hw just lost to Oklahoma state?
This is who I'd be looking at if I were Hobbs, in no particular order, with some notes lifted from vkj91's credible post:
Jim McElwain: 46-29 as a HC. Won 2 SEC titles. Would imagine he wants back into P5 and did a nice job at Colorado State, too.
Jason Candle: Toledo, 29-14. Worth talking to, although he took over a program that had had two straight good HCs.
Lance Leipold: A coach's coach, as respected as anyone in the game because coaches know his value. Won't win 100 of his first 106 games as he did at Whitewater, but he is a custom made Big Ten coach. better recruiter than people realize, too.
Mike Houston: ECU via JMU. Lots of area recruiting ties. 81-27 as college HC. 42-18 as HS head coach. Probably won't have a good record at ECU this year, but that program was a dumpster fire. Underrated candidate.
Willie Fritz: 173-91 as a college head coach; he's for real. Does he translate to New Jersey and Rutgers? I'd be more concerned about his age than that. He might just want that shot at a power conference job, and the window won't be open forever.
Jeff Tedford. Only two losing seasons at Cal. Killing it at Fresno. He seems to know how to do this.
I can't think of any current coordinators who make me feel like they'd be a worthwhile roll of the dice.
Norvell, Heupel, Litrell - their moments for Rutgers have passed. They will take higher-profile jobs than that and are likely beyond Rutgers' reach, salary-wise. Rod Carey's buyout is, I believe, $10 million, $10 million, and $8 million for the next three years, so he's staying put. Also would be looking higher if he were going to make a move.
Fleck doesn't seem like a real solution, even if he's miles better than Ash. I guess he could go on the talk-to list. He'd shake things up, that's for sure.
Rich Rodriguez and Charlie Strong are yesterday's newspaper. Whatever made Rich Rod innovative has become commonplace; he's not different anymore. And Strong is just not a good head coach, apparently. And retreads are retreads. Schiano and Butch Jones could come in and improve things, but both are likelier to disappoint.
EDIT: There are two guys I forgot about, one of whom I just saw mentioned on this thread, Mike Elko, as well as Bob Surace.
Elko is really the only coordinator I can think of who would be appealing. The South Brunswick native is ready for that point in his career, and was favored early by Temple before he got a big salary boost from A&M. His interest may or may not have just been a negotiating ploy, but in any case, he's earned his shot now and I don't think it'll be long. The one drawback is his salary. I think he already makes something like $3.5 million as a coordinator. Wow. He's going to want a king's ransom to be a head coach.
And Princeton's Bob Surace might be my out of the box candidate. He is a Milville, N.J., native, and even though he recruits kids to play in the Ivy, look at his roster. He gets kids from Bergen Catholic, St. Joe's Prep (Philly), etc., so he can walk into those football offices and not have to introduce himself to the staff. He took Princeton from bottom-feeder to the very best in the Ivy despite having the battle one of the strictest admissions offices in the league.
Right, I was trying to remember it in relation to what Temple was offering, which was comparable to what he's making now. Hard to imagine he'd command less than that as a HC at a power conference school to start, though. I thought it seemed high as I was writing it, but these days, who knows?The Aggies already exercised that right and extended Elko through January 2022. Under the terms of the current deal, Elko will make $2.1 million annually, an increase of $300,000 from his first year in A&M.
Thats alot of cash - but not $3.5 mil
There was an article last year about the highest paid coordinators having to a pay cut in order to become Head coaches. That shouldn’t apply to a P5 school but, hey we are Rutgers. LolRight, I was trying to remember it in relation to what Temple was offering, which was comparable to what he's making now. Hard to imagine he'd command less than that as a HC at a power conference school to start, though. I thought it seemed high as I was writing it, but these days, who knows?
I just think he’s the next big thing and Rutgers shouldn’t miss out on him like people did with James Franklin. He’s is a relentless recruiter and would get elite kids to go to Rutgers and not just jersey kids either.What’s so special about Gattis
Love Mike Houston. His pre-game locker room speeches are legendary. Made players and fans want to run through brick walls for him. And in his 3 seasons at JMU, he went to the National Championship game twice, won it once after beating NDSU in their stupid dome. Thing about him is he's one of those good ol' southern boys who probably wouldn't consider moving to NJ out of principle.
https://www.ncaa.com/video/football...p-james-madison-mike-houston-pregame-speeches
Leach is great, but I don't see why he would leave Wash St at 3.75 million to take on the job of building Rutgers.Les Miles.
That aside... I think Leach would be an interesting hire. We certainly need some character injected into the program.
Rex Ryan!?! Wtf
He is not...every fan base wants him...Tennessee fans want him and every other P5 program in trouble wants him...I bet he’s happy as can be in Eastern Wash...Leach is great, but I don't see why he would leave Wash St at 3.75 million to take on the job of building Rutgers.
I think the one thing you can say about all of this is that - if/when Hobbs has to make a head coaching change - it's going to be a big move. With all of the ground-laying he's done throughout the athletic department, especially with the basketball program, his second head football coaching hire is going to make waves in the P5, and it's going to be a hire to challenge the balance of power in the Big Ten.yes, I know we have a head coach. Yes, I'd love for him to win 6 games. That being said, figure it would be "easier" to have one place for people who want to discuss potential hires. For those who think this "hurts" recruiting, I'm sorry. I did a pretty exhaustive search of guys I think could be candidates but I'm sure I missed a bunch.
Personally, I don't want another first time head coach but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be discussed. I also think it's very rare for a P5 guy to jump to another P5 school without a really compelling reason, as a result, I limited those names. These are in no real order. Have at it
Norvell: Memphis. He's my guy and have liked him since ASU days. Strong recruiter, winner, fun offense. Has beaten P5 teams while at Memphis. 37, makes under 2 million, won at least 8 games every year as a HC
Jim McElwain: 46-29 as a HC. Won 2 SEC titles. Would imagine he wants back into P5
Jason Candle: Toledo, 29-14. 39 years old. Scores points in bunches
Lance Leipold: can't argue results. Guy wins 133-35 as a HC. Will bring zero buzz but will definitely make you competitive and upset a few teams.
Mike Houston: ECU via JMU. Lots of area recruiting ties. 81-27 as college HC. 42-18 as HS head coach
Rod Carey: fact the Temple AD hired his is good enough for me. Huge buyout.
Luke Fickell: Think he has as much upside as anyone on this list. Can the fan base live with another midwestern OSU DC?
Josh Heupel: really like him but is it still Frost team and the epitome of a rental head coach.
Willie Fritz: excellent coach. Not sure he's a NJ fit but guy is turning around Tulane which is a horrible job. 173-91 as a college head coach
Bill Napier: not a huge track record only 9-8 as HC BUT has worked under Dabo, Saban, and Graham
Blake Anderson: Arkansas State 40-27. 3 conference titles. Fun Offense to watch
Seth Litrell. Maybe the hottest name out there. Probably getting SEC job
Bill Clark: UAB he's the southern version of Lance Leipold with even more wins
Jeff Tedford. only two losing seasons at Cal. Killing it at Fresno. would he come east? could he be our Bronco Mendenhall
P5 Guys:
Fleck: Doesn't want to be in Minnesota. I personally am not a fan and don't think he's a great coach but his teams find a way to win.
Campbell: @rutgersguy1 says he has a huge buyout. Sucks because to me he's a B1G type coach.
Retreads:
Schiano
Jones
Strong
Interesting coordinators:
Bob Shoop: Great DC, lots of area ties. Only HC job was a failure at Columbia
Steve Sarkisian: has he paid off his debt and fixed his image yet?
Phil Longo: NJ guy, huge resume, no HC experience
Dan Enos: Mixed bag as a HC but lots of P5 OC experience
Rich Rod: would take in heartbeat
Urban Meyer looks bored already as a commentator.
Washington ND away on deck.... wouldn’t assume Helton is safe yet....freeing Harrell to reunite with Littrell in Piscataway. :Wink:USC may ultimately not be in the market for a coach this year also.
Amazing how they have three capable QBs. Just knocked off no. 10 w a third stringer.
This is the second dumbest argument people here make. Sure, nobody’s is going to want a B1G job. If Iowa state, Purdue and Vanderbilt can get hot young names then so can Rutgers. What names would excite youThe dilemma Hobbs will face is identifying a candidate who meets the recruiting and experience requirements to be successful in the B1G and the financial constraints of Rutgers.The list of potential candidates doesn't impress me because the perception of Rutgers football requires a head coach with the cache to overcome all the negativity surrounding the program.When Stringer came to Rutgers she had the name recognition to recruit elite basketball players and the program was a national power for at least a decade.Such a person is needed for football which is the biggest money generator for Rutgers athletics.
I’d hire Wilson in a nano secondBTW another thing about Littrell is that while he's had multiple strong OC stints, he's also coached in the B10 before at IU...not a powerhouse obviously. Wilson took over as HC in 2011 and Littrell came on board for 2012-2013.
Offensive rankings in 2011 before Littrell Total/Scoring 83/101
Offensive rankings in 2012-2013 while Littrell was there Total Scoring 34/52 and 10/17
You can see the big jump and IU isn't a top tier school in the B10 obviously..has done similar good things at other places as OC and again at UNT both in offensive stats from year 1 to 2 and beyond and also took over a 1 win team....make sure he's got a good DC and I'll like him a lot, especially if Harrell also becomes available.
He may be out of reach but who knows depends on how this season goes...a down year and you never know.
To the Armenian community.Sarkiisian is interesting.
I think you are right. I don't think he is going to rush into this. I think he is going to do a lot of consulting with others as well as just listening to people who know the game. He may even hire a search team, not one made of people from Rutgers, but a professional organization.I think the one thing you can say about all of this is that - if/when Hobbs has to make a head coaching change - it's going to be a big move. With all of the ground-laying he's done throughout the athletic department, especially with the basketball program, his second head football coaching hire is going to make waves in the P5, and it's going to be a hire to challenge the balance of power in the Big Ten.
You make some good points here, particularly about Surace. He is recruiting within his peer group now, but has relationships with all those key schools. That can’t be dismissed.This is who I'd be looking at if I were Hobbs, in no particular order, with some notes lifted from vkj91's credible post:
Jim McElwain: 46-29 as a HC. Won 2 SEC titles. Would imagine he wants back into P5 and did a nice job at Colorado State, too.
Jason Candle: Toledo, 29-14. Worth talking to, although he took over a program that had had two straight good HCs.
Lance Leipold: A coach's coach, as respected as anyone in the game because coaches know his value. Won't win 100 of his first 106 games as he did at Whitewater, but he is a custom made Big Ten coach. better recruiter than people realize, too.
Mike Houston: ECU via JMU. Lots of area recruiting ties. 81-27 as college HC. 42-18 as HS head coach. Probably won't have a good record at ECU this year, but that program was a dumpster fire. Underrated candidate.
Willie Fritz: 173-91 as a college head coach; he's for real. Does he translate to New Jersey and Rutgers? I'd be more concerned about his age than that. He might just want that shot at a power conference job, and the window won't be open forever.
Jeff Tedford. Only two losing seasons at Cal. Killing it at Fresno. He seems to know how to do this.
I can't think of any current coordinators who make me feel like they'd be a worthwhile roll of the dice.
Norvell, Heupel, Litrell - their moments for Rutgers have passed. They will take higher-profile jobs than that and are likely beyond Rutgers' reach, salary-wise. Rod Carey's buyout is, I believe, $10 million, $10 million, and $8 million for the next three years, so he's staying put. Also would be looking higher if he were going to make a move.
Fleck doesn't seem like a real solution, even if he's miles better than Ash. I guess he could go on the talk-to list. He'd shake things up, that's for sure.
Rich Rodriguez and Charlie Strong are yesterday's newspaper. Whatever made Rich Rod innovative has become commonplace; he's not different anymore. And Strong is just not a good head coach, apparently. And retreads are retreads. Schiano and Butch Jones could come in and improve things, but both are likelier to disappoint.
EDIT: There are two guys I forgot about, one of whom I just saw mentioned on this thread, Mike Elko, as well as Bob Surace.
Elko is really the only coordinator I can think of who would be appealing. The South Brunswick native is ready for that point in his career, and was favored early by Temple before he got a big salary boost from A&M. His interest may or may not have just been a negotiating ploy, but in any case, he's earned his shot now and I don't think it'll be long. The one drawback is his salary. I think he already makes something like $3.5 million as a coordinator. Wow. He's going to want a king's ransom to be a head coach.
And Princeton's Bob Surace might be my out of the box candidate. He is a Milville, N.J., native, and even though he recruits kids to play in the Ivy, look at his roster. He gets kids from Bergen Catholic, St. Joe's Prep (Philly), etc., so he can walk into those football offices and not have to introduce himself to the staff. He took Princeton from bottom-feeder to the very best in the Ivy despite having the battle one of the strictest admissions offices in the league.
No state income tax in Texas at least.The Aggies already exercised that right and extended Elko through January 2022. Under the terms of the current deal, Elko will make $2.1 million annually, an increase of $300,000 from his first year in A&M.
Thats alot of cash - but not $3.5 mil
Ash was a hot name when he was selected.How has that worked out?If it was as easy as you profess, Rutgers football wouldn't be in its current difficult position.I have no names right now because I don't know how much money Rutgers can offer .The so called hot young names from other parts of the country might not be able to recruit local talent.This is the second dumbest argument people here make. Sure, nobody’s is going to want a B1G job. If Iowa state, Purdue and Vanderbilt can get hot young names then so can Rutgers. What names would excite you
I think it’s a stretch to say Ash was a hot name at the time. Most of us were surprised when he became a leading candidate.Ash was a hot name when he was selected.How has that worked out?If it was as easy as you profess, Rutgers football wouldn't be in its current difficult position.I have no names right now because I don't know how much money Rutgers can offer .The so called hot young names from other parts of the country might not be able to recruit local talent.
IIRC, Syracuse wanted to interview him and Urban Meyer told him to take the Rutgers job. That Urban, he's a peach.I think it’s a stretch to say Ash was a hot name at the time. Most of us were surprised when he became a leading candidate.