Fair enough. But I’m fine with UVA over those teams based on their overall resume. The two BE teams weren’t all that special when you place them under the microscope. SHU was inconsistent and SJU benefited from NY media love over a suspect winning streak.
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Yeah - I think SJU was a media fabrication. But, I think SHU had some really good wins to overcome a choppy preseason
pretty obvious conference tourney runs dont matter unless you win the whole thing and bad losses do not matter..see FAU
Providence losing Bryce Hopkins derailed their season, he was a 1st team all Big East player. They probably needed 2 more wins along the way to make it, losing Hopkins was a lot of overcome.
Yes and the committee knew he was out. I know they played outstanding in the BE tourney without him but they jad already dug a hole in his absence
Is it though?
You’re talking about a team that went 9-11 in conference and had about 6 wins against the field. By the NET, yeah it’s a bad loss, but sometimes a team is bipolar. The Seton Hall loss on the other hand, that was bad.
I guess my point is, it’s easy to go this team had x number of quad 1 wins and x number quad three losses. But there’s more to it.
I’m not saying this because I think we should have gotten in. I just think the NET is very flawed when it comes to pointing out what’s a quad 1 win and what’s a bad loss
Not trying to bust balls, but haven’t you said it correlates to neither selection nor seeding. Honestly trying to understand.
Net does not matter for selection...it can be used for seeding but SOR seems to be playing a greater role now..see New Mexico. Its always a combo of criteria.
Rutgers had like a 77 net and got in because their wins were so good but got dinged in seeding and were sent to play in games
That’s what I meant. The work was done before the major league tournaments even started. It discounts the idea that a team may need one or two more wins in their conference tournament to secure an at-large bid. In fact, these teams need to win the entire tournament.
Because up and down East Coast would always make East Coast most difficult bracket. Big 12 champ, SEC champ, three of last years Final Four. Loaded.
Okay, net is irrelevant to selection (and quite at variance with selection). If it is so at odds it seems ridiculous that it then becomes a valid measure for seeding, even if a secondary consideration. And if not used for seeding, either, why bother with it? It seems not only illogical, but subversive.
Do BYU was 17th overall which should be a 5 and Gonzaga 21 which should be a 6 and they were switched...i guess because of the no games on sunday rule for byu...thats bs for bracketologists
do a better job figuring it out
also note Colorado State was even behind Oregon in seeding.
do a better job figuring it out
also note Colorado State was even behind Oregon in seeding.
Why are the ten seeds sent to Dayton, but not the fifteen seeds?
Yup well deserved. Dude is super knowledgeable of all the Big Ten teams. Takes it seriously and obviously does his homework.
#44 CSU Q1 6-7 Q2 3-2 (9-9) Q3 7-1 (16-10)
#41 UVA Q1 2-7 Q2 8-3 (10-10) Q3 7-0 (17-10)
#39 CU Q1 4-5 Q2 6-5 (10-10) Q3 7-0 (17-10)
#38 BSU Q1 6-5 Q2 3-4 (10-9) Q3 3-1 (13-10)
#37 NEV Q1 6-6 Q2 2-0 (8-6) Q3 8-1 (16-8)
#36 NW Q1 4-7 Q2 5-3 (9-10) Q3 5-0 (14-10) 1 Q4
#35 TCU Q1 5-11 Q2 3-1 (8-12) Q3 5-0 (13-12)
#34 TAMU Q1 7-7 Q2 6-3 (13-10) Q3 2-4 (15-14)
First 4 out,
OU 4-12 5-0 (9-12) 3-0 (12-12)
SHU 5-8 4-3 (9-11) 2-1 (11-12)
IndSt 1-4 4-1 (5-5) 10-0 (15-5) 1 Q4
Pitt 4-6 5-3 (9-9) 6-2 (15-11)
#41 UVA Q1 2-7 Q2 8-3 (10-10) Q3 7-0 (17-10)
#39 CU Q1 4-5 Q2 6-5 (10-10) Q3 7-0 (17-10)
#38 BSU Q1 6-5 Q2 3-4 (10-9) Q3 3-1 (13-10)
#37 NEV Q1 6-6 Q2 2-0 (8-6) Q3 8-1 (16-8)
#36 NW Q1 4-7 Q2 5-3 (9-10) Q3 5-0 (14-10) 1 Q4
#35 TCU Q1 5-11 Q2 3-1 (8-12) Q3 5-0 (13-12)
#34 TAMU Q1 7-7 Q2 6-3 (13-10) Q3 2-4 (15-14)
First 4 out,
OU 4-12 5-0 (9-12) 3-0 (12-12)
SHU 5-8 4-3 (9-11) 2-1 (11-12)
IndSt 1-4 4-1 (5-5) 10-0 (15-5) 1 Q4
Pitt 4-6 5-3 (9-9) 6-2 (15-11)
turning on espn for analysis and getting one hour of womens bracket coverage is not what espn was intended for
do you have their sor listing...curious i believe the mountain west teams all have bad sor
NIT bracket reveal show at 9:30 on ESPN2 y'all
man espn is all about equity pushing the womens tourney, why doesnt it have its own show on Monday
is rutgers being invited to the cbiNIT bracket reveal show at 9:30 on ESPN2 y'all
whats the over/under on declines for nit
what say you Shaheen..do we have any f bomb commentary from him tonight
SHU board saying they are playing Princeton at Walsh gym. Good for them for not declining like Pitt/Indiana/St Johns, I guess
Yeah they've told the NIT not to invite them. I think I saw a couple more too but forget who
#44 CSU Q1 6-7 Q2 3-2 (9-9) Q3 7-1 (16-10) SOR 56
#41 UVA Q1 2-7 Q2 8-3 (10-10) Q3 7-0 (17-10) SOR 32
#39 CU Q1 4-5 Q2 6-5 (10-10) Q3 7-0 (17-10) SOR 35
#38 BSU Q1 6-5 Q2 3-4 (10-9) Q3 3-1 (13-10) SOR 58
#37 NEV Q1 6-6 Q2 2-0 (8-6) Q3 8-1 (16-8) SOR 31
#36 NW Q1 4-7 Q2 5-3 (9-10) Q3 5-0 (14-10) 1 Q4 SOR 30
#35 TCU Q1 5-11 Q2 3-1 (8-12) Q3 5-0 (13-12) SOR 27
#34 TAMU Q1 7-7 Q2 6-3 (13-10) Q3 2-4 (15-14) SOR 44
First 4 out,
OU 4-12 5-0 (9-12) 3-0 (12-12) SOR 28
SHU 5-8 4-3 (9-11) 2-1 (11-12) SOR 42
IndSt 1-4 4-1 (5-5) 10-0 (15-5) 1 Q4 SOR 40
Pitt 4-6 5-3 (9-9) 6-2 (15-11) SOR 48
ESPN BPI is the best place to find it under the resume tab.
So they definitely penalized csu and bsu for their sor but its arbitrary because uva and col were penalized for not have q1 wins of quality..ie wins vs field
The #1 mistake bracketologists make is working super hard to be consistent with their seeding principles. That's impossible in a committee where one guy really cares about Metric X and stands up for the mid major so they compromise and give Dayton a 7 and another guy is adamant that the ACC was a better league than everyone thinks so Clemson gets a 6.
What about taking Byu from highest 5th to highest 6th while moving Gonzaga up a full seed line
They didn't want to do the work to figure how to move byu to avoid Sunday play
Then they just figured we will make up for it by moving Duquense up a full seed so BYU really gets to play the 12 afterall
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