OT: A&M about to lose its 2nd 5* QB in one week...

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

the implosion down there and subsequent bleed out of talent could means some good TX talent available...maybe RU could benefit from that cluster****

Amazing how fast things can head south!

Oh well...good while it lasted!

 

[RUONTHERISE]

Why the implosion at a&m?

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

This wouldn't had happen if Ash wasn't still coaching the bowl game.

 

[Knight Shift]

Can you give us a little more to go with, like a link? Google search reveals nothing.

 

[Knight Shift]

OK, found this:
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2015...n-sat-down-kyler-kevin-murray-texas-am-aggies

 

[Caliknight]

Recruiting has turned into musical chairs, and the music stops on signing day.

 

[mychaljohn]

I'm not sure what the issues are at TA&M, but I have this theory about college football offenses. As we've seen in the last decade and a half or two, we've seen pro style offenses, with the occasional gimmicky O sprinkled in. Then, there were so many gimmicky O's that we started calling them "spread" O's. Eventually, there were more spread O's than pro/traditional O's. Finally, we're starting to realize, I think, that your QB's, in a spread, while maybe easier to find on the street, are also significant more vulnerable to injury.

And since recruiting multiple high level QB's onto your roster ain't no joke, we see some folks moving back pro style, or other teams self-destructing when their 2nd or even 3rd string QB gets hurt.

I suspect at least a few coaches are going to make it a big part of their recruiting pitch that 1) their QB's will get at least some practical pro-style experience, and 2) _their_ version of the spread makes it a bigger priority to protect the QB. Even more so than it has been recently.

So, "multiple but safe."

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I'm not sure what the issues are at TA&M, but I have this theory about college football offenses. As we've seen in the last decade and a half or two, we've seen pro style offenses, with the occasional gimmicky O sprinkled in. Then, there were so many gimmicky O's that we started calling them "spread" O's. Eventually, there were more spread O's than pro/traditional O's. Finally, we're starting to realize, I think, that your QB's, in a spread, while maybe easier to find on the street, are also significant more vulnerable to injury.

And since recruiting multiple high level QB's onto your roster ain't no joke, we see some folks moving back pro style, or other teams self-destructing when their 2nd or even 3rd string QB gets hurt.

I suspect at least a few coaches are going to make it a big part of their recruiting pitch that 1) their QB's will get at least some practical pro-style experience, and 2) _their_ version of the spread makes it a bigger priority to protect the QB. Even more so than it has been recently.

So, "multiple but safe."

This is a great point that is also manifesting itself in the NFL success of spread OL--or lack of success. NFL GMs are getting pretty concerned about the overall depth of the OL talent pool as the spread has matriculated all the way down to the HS level. Many of these guys will go to an NFL camp and never blocked in anything resembling a traditional under center offense.

 

[vkj91]

Recruiting has turned into musical chairs, and the music stops on signing day.

these aren't recruits these are their last two starting QB's

 

[RUinHouston59]

He was not at Bowl practice and he's a head case.

 

[gef21]

Football is always cyclical. Teams spread out the ball on offense so defenses get smaller and faster. Eventually we will see a swing back to the power run game, because of the small defense, and defenses will bulk up again.

 

[mychaljohn]

Football is always cyclical. Teams spread out the ball on offense so defenses get smaller and faster. Eventually we will see a swing back to the power run game, because of the small defense, and defenses will bulk up again.

I guess, that's one theory. But football, in it's entire history, hasn't completed a full cycle yet. It's _never_ moved back to the run from a passing game. I'd offer that instead of a cycle, it's more evolutionary.

 

[gef21]

I guess, that's one theory. But football, in it's entire history, hasn't completed a full cycle yet. It's _never_ moved back to the run from a passing game. I'd offer that instead of a cycle, it's more evolutionary.

I would agree and disagree with that. Creating the read option out of the spread was the same as running the wing T just spreading everyone out. So it evolved one of the original offenses.

But yes the modern trend is to move towards more passing (especially at the collegiate and nfl levels). I would say the high school shows a lot more cyclical movement than higher levels. I have seen teams go completely to the spread and I now see a swing back to multiple I, power I, bone, and triple offenses. As a DC this year I faced 4 spread passing team teams, 1 old school wing T (with guards in the backfield), 2 spread read option teams, 4 multiple I teams, and 1 bone team. A few years ago I was seeing almost entirely spread.

 

[MozRU]

I'm not sure what the issues are at TA&M, but I have this theory about college football offenses. As we've seen in the last decade and a half or two, we've seen pro style offenses, with the occasional gimmicky O sprinkled in. Then, there were so many gimmicky O's that we started calling them "spread" O's. Eventually, there were more spread O's than pro/traditional O's. Finally, we're starting to realize, I think, that your QB's, in a spread, while maybe easier to find on the street, are also significant more vulnerable to injury.

And since recruiting multiple high level QB's onto your roster ain't no joke, we see some folks moving back pro style, or other teams self-destructing when their 2nd or even 3rd string QB gets hurt.

I suspect at least a few coaches are going to make it a big part of their recruiting pitch that 1) their QB's will get at least some practical pro-style experience, and 2) _their_ version of the spread makes it a bigger priority to protect the QB. Even more so than it has been recently.

So, "multiple but safe."

Baylor found out the hard way. Undefeated until their QB went down. Season imploded after.

 

[bitnez]

KS will be in the NFL this year or the next. I could see him getting the Tennessee job with MM there.

 

[RUinBoston]

Football is always cyclical. Teams spread out the ball on offense so defenses get smaller and faster. Eventually we will see a swing back to the power run game, because of the small defense, and defenses will bulk up again.

Exactly. The spread works not because it's special but because it is (was) unique. But now even we are going to do it...I assume that means the spread has officially jumped the shark...?

 

[vkj91]

Baylor found out the hard way. Undefeated until their QB went down. Season imploded after.

You mean until their first 3 QB's went down.

 

[gef21]

Exactly. The spread works not because it's special but because it is (was) unique. But now even we are going to do it...I assume that means the spread has officially jumped the shark...?

There are so many variations of the spread that it all depends. There is the spread them out to run the ball, the spread them out to run the option, the spread them out to throw it deep, the spread them out to throw quick hitters etc. Spread means so much. I think we have evolved past the true read option spreads and I think we are seeing the peak of the run/pass option spreads.

This year, at all levels, we started to see a lot of spread with motion back inside to run the ball inside. I think that offenses are moving back towards the two TE single back look (think Broncos with Terrell Davis). This allows offenses to split TEs out or run in balanced sets. If I was an OC that is what I would run and that is what I hate to see as a DC.

 

[biazza38]

Baylor found out the hard way. Undefeated until their QB went down. Season imploded after.

You mean when they were playing TCU in a down pour with their 3rd string QB and neither team could move the ball because of the rain

 

[Caliknight]

these aren't recruits these are their last two starting QB's

Ah got it, thanks.

 

[rurichdog]