OT: Aaron Hernandez dead
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Regardless of anyone's feelings about this guy this was a major failure of the prison. Most of the prisoners aren't serving life. They are people who will be in society again. I want the prison to work on their rehabilitation and help therm through things such as bouts of depression and suicidal thoughts so that they can function productively when they are out. Allowing prisoners to kill themselves is evidence that the prison isn't doing what it should to reduce recitivism.
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I live in the Boston area and people are stunned. Perhaps his hanging had something to do with Pats visiting the White House today to celebrate the Super Bowl win. Almost as stunning was the not guilty verdicts last Friday in the dual murder trial. What a wasted life and troubled soul.
Tons of money saved, court, life in jail..... see ya
Aaron Hernandez was servicing a life sentence for murder, so this case doesn't really help illustrate your point.
He never won a superbowl. Would things be different if he did? MAYBE! No way of knowing now!
Well it's still the responsibility of the prison to keep inmates from killing themselves. That being said, I'm not sure what can be done if someone is really determined.
I think it is clear that I realize that he is serving life. I doubt that the prison is discriminating care based on that, and if they are they shouldn't. It isn't their role to carry out their tasks unequally, or possibly worse, enact rogue judgement.
What is the answer. Prisons can't stop beatings, drugs, rapes or murder...
Also- as for football. I 100% believe that if his actions were only known by football insiders and he was playing to his capabilities, they would look the other way just like what happened in college.
I actually agree that many prisoners can potentially be rehabilitated or improve their lives with education, learning new skills, family responsibility, etc. But in my opinion, once an individual is convicted with clear evidence of taking another life, unless it was clearly in combat/self defense or there was another damn good reason for doing so, I don't really care about what happens to said murderer, as long as (preferably in many cases) death or prison keeps them out of society as permanently as possible.
As to the other point, prisoners can hang themselves using the clothes they're wearing and a vertical jail/window bar if they're determined enough. Unless you're planning to put hundreds/thousands of prisoners on 24-hour suicide watch (good luck paying for that), I'm don't know what more could be done to prevent things like this.
His brother was the QB at UConn during the Schiano era. His brother is a head coach at a high school and a model citizen. So Aaron' did have a choice. There's plenty of NFL guys with similar or worse backgrounds that don't kill anyone.
Yea, you're right it's all the environment's fault. And the correction officer's fault for not knowing this was gonna happen (as NBC's Mike Florio suggests). It's everyone else's fault except Hernandez's. This is why this country is pathetic.
The bigger problem in this country is reading comprehension and critical thinking, or lack thereof. He said that he could have chosen to change, but he chose not to. Therefore, he's putting the onus here on Hernandez.
I tend to agree with you and it goes to show impactful a father's imprinting can have on a son's life.
yet his brother is doing great.. so...
"all who exalt themselves will be humbled, but all who humble themselves will be exalted"?
I thought you'd go with "Judge not lest ye be judged".
I thought his father wasn't a problem, but his step father was.
Dude, you cannot compare the two. One was a stupid accident with no malicious intent (regardless of HOW stupid) the other guy is a pathological murderer.
Sociopathic personality disorder cannot be rehabilitated. It has been tried...in other sophisticated countries throughout the world.
It would be foolish to think that many other psychopaths are not among other elite athletes that we admire and adore.(OJ..you hear me?) More factors at play here than environment and father figure.
I do not believe that a majority of people involved in crim justice system are sociopaths...there are many more knuckle heads just doing really stupid, impulsive things. Indeed, often - if talented enough - the psychopath can hide in plain site. A drug or even a sardonic look can push them over the edge.
It would be foolish to think that many other psychopaths are not among other elite athletes that we admire and adore.(OJ..you hear me?) More factors at play here than environment and father figure.
I do not believe that a majority of people involved in crim justice system are sociopaths...there are many more knuckle heads just doing really stupid, impulsive things. Indeed, often - if talented enough - the psychopath can hide in plain site. A drug or even a sardonic look can push them over the edge.
Because he's a psychopath. He shot at a car and killed two men because they spilled a drink on him at a club. He didn't show any remorse. The guy was just crazy.
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I grew up a few towns away from Hernandez. In the past, I've had conversations with someone who was considered a mentor to Hernandez and a close family friend. After he was convicted of murder, I asked him what happened. His answer was simply this - "The Aaron we sent down to the University of Florida was not the same Aaron that came back."
First off I really was not comparing the two incidents but was being facetious about the statue maybe it did not come off that way. Secondly I really cannot see how the Marlins can put that statue up??? I understand he was a big figure with the fan base and the population in Miami but think of the families of the people he killed yes I said he killed. Fernandez Knowingly was on drugs and alcohol and took friends out on that boat, so as far as I see it he is to blame. If he had not died he would been in jail most likely for manslaughter.
I can understand that.
However, there are six verses in the passage I quoted, but you focused on half of the final verse. I think the passage taken as a whole is applicable to some of the self-righteous attitudes expressed in this thread.
Worth another read:
Luke 18:9-14.
Thanks.
Weird that they would blame Florida given that he had a pretty strong crew of low life friends in Bristol.
I agree and you can add political figures to that scenario.
Rolling Stone article from 2013. This writer REALLY did his homework. Wow, this is an interesting read on the life of Aaron Hernandez and a glimpse at how he became the monster he was:
http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-gangster-in-the-huddle
http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-gangster-in-the-huddle
I was talking to a friend of mine last night and found this interesting. He probably killed himself because on record he is now an innocent man. Per Massachusetts law since he died prior to having his appeal his conviction, indictment and all criminal proceedings get removed from his record as if it never happened. This now makes the trial null and void as well as all evidence from that trial. This will allow his estate / family to protect all of his money since he is now not found guilty he cannot be sued. If a civil suit was to opened up against his estate none of the evidence that was used in the trial can be used in that case as well.
Aren't you overlooking the fact that he was CONVICTED of murdering Odin Lloyd, who was dating the sister of Herandez' fiance? What a nice guy.
On April 15, 2015, Hernandez was found guilty of first-degree murder, as well as five weapon charges, automatically being sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. He was tried for two separate murder charges for the 2012 double homicide of Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado, but was acquitted on April 14, 2017.
I am not that is the case I am actually referring to. Per Mass law since he never had he chance to go through the appeal process (which possibly could have overturned the conviction) everything becomes null and void.
OK, now I get it. I had not realized that his murder conviction was still under appeal. To me, it speaks volumes that he killed himself (if actually true)--he was too much of a coward and/or he knew he was guilty of Llloyd's murder, and rather than face the consequences, he took the easy way out. Maybe he was looking to protect his daughter this way.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ssachusetts-appeals-court-patriots/100645758/
BTW- what is a grit? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Some are now saying he didn't commit suicide?
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...no-chance-committed-suicide-article-1.3074282
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...no-chance-committed-suicide-article-1.3074282
Great article - really sheds a lot of light. Was hearing bits and pieces and kind of assumed that the father was really the impetuous for all his bad behavior - nothing could be further from the truth - it really turned out to be the mother. Interesting in the article that they mention he never bought her a house like so many athletes do. You really just see a series of bad things happen to the kid and he is ultimately just left with the wrong people around him at the time he is most vulnerable. Not condoning his actions at all but you could see how much of a glue his dad was and once he passed his life spun out of control. His brother was good too but he was away at college. Sad story on so many different levels.
